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Nov 13, 2007 7:56 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
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Nov 13, 2007 8:04 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
If you will seach it out, you will find the answer. The translations need to be checked with the Herbrew/Caldian and Greek. The living that has the breath of life is the land dwelling. Did you know there was another flood before the flood referred to by Moses about Noah?

The ten commandments were known before Mt. Sinia.

If you want to find answers....good! Get a Strong's to go with your Bible. Begin to look for the truth and all things will line up and make sense. The only problem is that if you are not sincere....you will never understand.

I am not a Bible thumber. Your life is your own.

The pushing that nominal Christians do.....is wrong. Man's ways. Look at the way their chuch is run on tv.......a great study in infomercials! They do God an injustice.




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Nov 13, 2007 8:16 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
God is allowing us to rule! We and our ways are the fault. If we follow God's ways things would be different.

Read my reply to the person about his nephew above.



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read my other post as well.

The true God is nothing like the one people know from false teachings. You are mad at man's god. If you will read, you will find that satan is the god of this world. Those that worship the God of the Bible, the true God are a small flock. They do not like the things that are being done in the name of God by man's churches.
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Nov 13, 2007 8:22 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Dominatrix
DominatrixDominatrixDomiville, England UK61 Threads 2 Polls 1,065 Posts
i dont believe in satan either
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Nov 13, 2007 8:26 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Dominatrix
DominatrixDominatrixDomiville, England UK61 Threads 2 Polls 1,065 Posts
according to religion the devil was one of gods closest angels and cursed by god because he didnt obey him

i guess you know the rest .......but my question is if god is almighty and the creator and the master of all living and not living things..

how can an angel which is so close to him and is also created by him .....come up with the idea of disobeying god?

after all he is not a human being like us.....he was close to god and knew what god was capable of
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Nov 13, 2007 8:27 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
No man has seen God (the father). The God that walked with Adam was the logos that later became Christ. The God of the old testament is a family and The logos (spokesman) walked with Adam. But No one has seen the father. The God on Sinia was the logos.


I can claim to be a parrot...but unless I am.....I am a lier. You father was a lier....he was not a Christain as most others. A true Christian follows the ways of Christ. I am very sorry for the things done to you.
But it was done by a lier not a Christian. I am glad you are not following your fathers ways. I hope you find good things from life.

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Nov 13, 2007 8:39 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Dominatrix
DominatrixDominatrixDomiville, England UK61 Threads 2 Polls 1,065 Posts
i do not believe in a devil for a very good reason of logic that NO religious person I've ever spoken to has been able to answer me ........

we are told that GOD is both all powerful and all good and pure




so if there is a devil causing all evil in the world ....... then either

1. the devil is working against GOD but GOD is unable to stop the devil from doing so: in that case GOD is not all powerful

2. the devil is working against GOD but is being allowed by GOD to do so : in that case by allowing this GOD is not all good,since to any moral person allowing evil that you can stop makes you equally guilty

the simple fact is that a devil makes a great scapegoat for us to blame our sins on "i lie,steal murder but it's not my fault it's the devil"


no ...............the evil that we do is ours and ours alone

if we were given free will by GOD then that means we are free to do both good and evil otherwise we'd be merely puppets

so why do evil ??????
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Nov 13, 2007 8:39 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
parsons
parsonsparsonswestbury, Wiltshire, England UK12 Threads 53 Posts
domanatrix i beleive in your view completely it kind of ties in with minehandshake
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Nov 13, 2007 8:40 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Fellfrosch
FellfroschFellfroschLeipzig, Saxony Germany94 Threads 4 Polls 774 Posts
I think, at the beginning, when the humans were still a young race,if they needed " a concept " with them to themselves the world could explain. Because they had not the knowledge of sciences. Understandably. the fact that they saw God then, for example, in a cloud. But after a while, if people have been among them after power strove. There is by all age through, single persons are a little more clever than the rest. These people used the ignorance of the others from around power to attain. They terrified the people. And they made everything believing that they could speak with "God".
In every religion whether practices extinct or still there are higher put people with power and control of the rest.
I think all miracles , made from some clever man.
In old antique temples one can see, for example, mechanisms by which priest could speak in the rear part " with thundering voice " to the people. This was very fear-giving for unknowing people.
The Bible, for example, is a very old book, and one should have read them(it) at least sometimes.It is no Original text. She became from more than 5000 single works together. In the year 370 instructed the pope Damasus I the dalmatian Hieronymus to join everything to one book. Called in the beginning : The Vulgata. The secretary of the pope changed these Vulgata then at more then 3500 places. For example, Hieronymus mentions the Trinity from the first letter Johannes in none of his duplicates. But in book, which was presented to the Conzil by Trento this passage is included. Even theologians see, in the meantime, in it a forgery. On 15.01.1897 there was a papal decree that the Trinity belong to the steady component of the new testament and the change was inspired by the holy mind. And already everything was good again. This is only a recording of 1000 changes.
I think that it is easier for most people the guilt to look with a higher being, than to take over even responsibility for her life. And the whole idea of God and the sin and the devil et cetera, the people help " men of God " to change the subject and to control.
Why is the faith in God in spite of science and evolution there still? Because the human mind has problems to grasp something, like the infinite universe.We do not understand that at the beginning nothing was. And then from this nothing, a little bit the as gigantic as the universe has originated. So we search the explanation with God. It is easier just, than to think independently and to extend his horizon. In the beginning of the humanity, the people could not explain the existence of a rainbow. We can book it, in the meantime, academically. For the people at that time all that could have created only God. The same mental beginning like with the big bang today.
What is really provable, is the evolution. One finds human skeletons of all kinds. From the monkey up to the homo sapiens. No chance for Adam and Eva. As well as? If one does not say that Adam and Eva had sons. These take itself women and generated children again.Where did the women come, however if, nevertheless, Adam and Eva were the only people in the world?
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Nov 13, 2007 8:46 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
Fellfrosch, you make some good points, but I have to say that evolution is still just a collection of hypothesis'...it's still just a theory.

It has been commented by scientists themselves that it takes jst as much faith to believe in evolution as it does to beleive in God because of this!

I love science, but it does have it's limits, and all scientifically minded people should be honest enough to admit this.beer
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Nov 13, 2007 8:48 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
jodigirlsfree
jodigirlsfreejodigirlsfreeConway, South Carolina USA48 Threads 1,843 Posts
NoNO you got that misunderstood...God is the Father ...Christ is his son...Christ lived and walked the earth while God the father is in heaven they are 2 not 1 ...scold professor hug
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Nov 13, 2007 8:55 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
still haven't learned the Difference between a Hypothesis and a Theory?????doh doh doh mumbling
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Nov 13, 2007 8:56 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
parsons
parsonsparsonswestbury, Wiltshire, England UK12 Threads 53 Posts
im sorry to state my opinion so clearly but i think god and the bible and everything is aload of crap
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Nov 13, 2007 8:58 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing

Sad old git!beer
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Nov 13, 2007 9:09 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Fellfrosch
FellfroschFellfroschLeipzig, Saxony Germany94 Threads 4 Polls 774 Posts
But the hypothesis of evolution are more touchable as a construct of god.
In evolution you can see with own eyes the development of the life. You can see in a frog childhood the the crossing of the life of the water to the land. One can explain, in the meantime, the chemical process which has led to the first "living" protozoon. It has even been repeated in the lab. There is natural God as well as evolution a theory. Everything in the world is a construct. But where are the "proofs" the God book? In the evolution I at least even have sturdy proofs like bone, frogs et cetera. As well as mathematical, chemical and physical formulae to me everything can "explain". What God explain to me?
In the sciencetheory there are at least attempts something to be able to explain. If one liked to work of somebody this of God explained got, one receives only dogmas and facts which were set up for centuries church history and power aspiration.Of course something new is discovered in the science over and over again and old doctrines are recognised as wrong. In relegion there is not such a mental beginning. Wort this is wort because it is there simply. This is mostly questioned the only explanation if one somebody about the faith in God.Such a stiff one displeases me as a thinking person stick.
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Nov 13, 2007 9:21 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Fellfrosch
FellfroschFellfroschLeipzig, Saxony Germany94 Threads 4 Polls 774 Posts
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To the infallibility of God. Our today's humanity, was not the God's first attempt. He needed several approaches. How does it fit with the infallibility together the God not with first sometimes everything properly did? Nevertheless, he would have had to know that the first attempt would fail. If he knows everything, why he has killed then everything by the sensory flood?
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Nov 13, 2007 9:25 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
I understand were you're coming from Fellfrosch, but all you're saying is that you choose to put faith in science as opposed to God!

The science of evolution isn't concrete...scientists themselves acknowledge this. So in effect you are choosing to believe in a theory.

All I'm saying is that there are some pretty fundamental questions that need answering before I can righty accept evolution as a likely answer to the whole conundrum.

For instance, can order spring from chaos? Mathematicians often comment on the level of order present in the universe...everything is just were it should be. All that from a starting point of chaos?

Also, mathematicians have worked out the odds of all the neccessary building blocks for the start of life to be present in one place...at just the right time...in the perfect environment, as...wait for it...impossoble! Yup, the figure far exceeds the generally held point where the liklihood becomes not just unlikely, but impossible.

So I'll wait and keep an open mind methinks.beer
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Nov 13, 2007 9:27 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Last time I checked, no one ever spotted god on radar, or scrambled jets to intercept Jesus.
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Nov 13, 2007 9:34 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
"Have Faith" is the only answer you'll get from the Religionists.very mad doh frustrated very mad
Not surprising,though,since they have no answer to the"Riddle" they have proposed.doh grin
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Nov 13, 2007 9:34 AM CST God...fact or fiction?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
I think you're doing some good work here, Dom. George H. Smith, author of the classic "Atheism: the Case Against God," is a friend of mine, and I think he'd join me in giving you a hearty thumbs-up.cheering
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