Obama for President......... VICTORY!!!!!!!!!! (767)
venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 PostsFallingman: Actually Conrad, for all the "interesting" spelling and maybe more enthusiasm than is good for him, there is a lot of interesting content in Dude's posts. Engaging with some of the ideas rather than constantly shooting the messenger might be a politically more interesting response to what he types. Saying he is mad and infantile doesn't tell us anything about Dude, just suggests you don't want to answer his detailed points.
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Fallingman: Actually Conrad, for all the "interesting" spelling and maybe more enthusiasm than is good for him, there is a lot of interesting content in Dude's posts. Engaging with some of the ideas rather than constantly shooting the messenger might be a politically more interesting response to what he types. Saying he is mad and infantile doesn't tell us anything about Dude, just suggests you don't want to answer his detailed points.
Actually I have looked into those Ideas extensively,and found them wanting.
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StressFree: OMG! OMG!
Is this all Fox News can come up with everyday about ACORN? Just more allegations. Sounds like honest mistakes by some bad apples to try and get more money for more signatures.
Part of the article from the foxnews link I gave:
"Johnson, one of four people subpoenaed to testify over duplicate registrations in Cleveland on Monday, told FOX News that the sheriff's department had assured him that the investigation was aimed at ACORN solicitors, and that he would not face criminal charges.
During the board meeting, Johnson said he would sometimes get approached by six or seven ACORN voter-registration solicitors while waiting for a bus. Other canvassers stood 10 feet away while a solicitor approached him, he said.
"They never told me I couldn't stop signing them," said Johnson. He said the solicitors never indicated that he was doing something unlawful.
A second new voter, Christopher Barkley, a pizza delivery man from Cleveland, is also facing questioning for allegedly registering to vote 10 to 15 times through ACORN.
Barkley said he was approached multiple times by ACORN workers while sitting in a public square. He said the group's solicitors told him they were getting paid by the name to sign up voters.
"I 'd be like, 'No, I'm already registered,'" Barkley said.
"Then they just asked me again, like, 'I need a job, I'm just trying to hold on to a job. So would you sign it for me? I need 25 or more. I need a certain amount of them.' So me being the kind-hearted person, I say, 'Yeah.'
"I didn't know that I'd have to be in here for this," Barkley said."
Is this all Fox News can come up with everyday about ACORN? Just more allegations. Sounds like honest mistakes by some bad apples to try and get more money for more signatures.
Part of the article from the foxnews link I gave:
"Johnson, one of four people subpoenaed to testify over duplicate registrations in Cleveland on Monday, told FOX News that the sheriff's department had assured him that the investigation was aimed at ACORN solicitors, and that he would not face criminal charges.
During the board meeting, Johnson said he would sometimes get approached by six or seven ACORN voter-registration solicitors while waiting for a bus. Other canvassers stood 10 feet away while a solicitor approached him, he said.
"They never told me I couldn't stop signing them," said Johnson. He said the solicitors never indicated that he was doing something unlawful.
A second new voter, Christopher Barkley, a pizza delivery man from Cleveland, is also facing questioning for allegedly registering to vote 10 to 15 times through ACORN.
Barkley said he was approached multiple times by ACORN workers while sitting in a public square. He said the group's solicitors told him they were getting paid by the name to sign up voters.
"I 'd be like, 'No, I'm already registered,'" Barkley said.
"Then they just asked me again, like, 'I need a job, I'm just trying to hold on to a job. So would you sign it for me? I need 25 or more. I need a certain amount of them.' So me being the kind-hearted person, I say, 'Yeah.'
"I didn't know that I'd have to be in here for this," Barkley said."
Apparently you've missed some posts and a lot of news. I won't backtrack and re-type all the allegations and all the states the Dept. of Justice is checking.
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Fallingman: Actually Conrad, for all the "interesting" spelling and maybe more enthusiasm than is good for him, there is a lot of interesting content in Dude's posts. Engaging with some of the ideas rather than constantly shooting the messenger might be a politically more interesting response to what he types. Saying he is mad and infantile doesn't tell us anything about Dude, just suggests you don't want to answer his detailed points.
Actually,we ran Hogwild with "OUR IDEAS" in the Sixties.Good thing nothing much came of it.
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Fallingman: Actually Conrad, for all the "interesting" spelling and maybe more enthusiasm than is good for him, there is a lot of interesting content in Dude's posts. Engaging with some of the ideas rather than constantly shooting the messenger might be a politically more interesting response to what he types. Saying he is mad and infantile doesn't tell us anything about Dude, just suggests you don't want to answer his detailed points.
I think Dude is a "plant" for the McCain campaign. There's no way he'd attract someone to Obama, if anything the hatered spewed would turn people against Obama.
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Indyfella: I think Dude is a "plant" for the McCain campaign. There's no way he'd attract someone to Obama, if anything the hatered spewed would turn people against Obama.
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Anyways, Obama announced today to "spread the wealth around" with his tax plan.
I think this spread the wealth around tax plan will only gain more votes among undecided middle class/working class voters. You know, the voters who don't care about smear campaigns, but do care about their economical future.
Obama is a sharp man and is clearly running the clock out on McCain. Obama needs to stay aggressive and not go into a prevent defense mode.
I think this spread the wealth around tax plan will only gain more votes among undecided middle class/working class voters. You know, the voters who don't care about smear campaigns, but do care about their economical future.
Obama is a sharp man and is clearly running the clock out on McCain. Obama needs to stay aggressive and not go into a prevent defense mode.
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Mickey Mouse submitted a voter registration form with ACORN according to Fox
and they said Mickey Mouse has associations with Arabs, terrorists and the Black Panther Party
and they said Mickey Mouse has associations with Arabs, terrorists and the Black Panther Party
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Fallingman: Actually Conrad, for all the "interesting" spelling and maybe more enthusiasm than is good for him, there is a lot of interesting content in Dude's posts. Engaging with some of the ideas rather than constantly shooting the messenger might be a politically more interesting response to what he types. Saying he is mad and infantile doesn't tell us anything about Dude, just suggests you don't want to answer his detailed points.
Maybe Conrad is just jeleous?
"Manchurian Candidate of Corporations And Irresponsible Narsisits" Sounds really Cool!!!!!!!!
It will hopefully being used in the campain agaisnt McCain and it is me who made it ..... Me the simple dude with a terrible english who know nothing
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StressFree: Anyways, Obama announced today to "spread the wealth around" with his tax plan.
I think this spread the wealth around tax plan will only gain more votes among undecided middle class/working class voters. You know, the voters who don't care about smear campaigns, but do care about their economical future.
Obama is a sharp man and is clearly running the clock out on McCain. Obama needs to stay aggressive and not go into a prevent defense mode.
I think this spread the wealth around tax plan will only gain more votes among undecided middle class/working class voters. You know, the voters who don't care about smear campaigns, but do care about their economical future.
Obama is a sharp man and is clearly running the clock out on McCain. Obama needs to stay aggressive and not go into a prevent defense mode.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is real need for staying aggressive in Obamas campain and not waiting till the old war monger dude tells some thing and then defending ....... many voters will be confused that way I beleive and theLies will stay there any way no martter how Obama defends him slef later on or no matter if McCain denies what he told him self later on..... Time is running......
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StressFree: Mickey Mouse submitted a voter registration form with ACORN according to Fox
and they said Mickey Mouse has associations with Arabs, terrorists and the Black Panther Party
and they said Mickey Mouse has associations with Arabs, terrorists and the Black Panther Party
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Hot_Single_Dude: Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is real need for staying aggressive in Obamas campain and not waiting till the old war monger dude tells some thing and then defending ....... many voters will be confused that way I beleive and theLies will stay there any way no martter how Obama defends him slef later on or no matter if McCain denies what he told him self later on..... Time is running......
Sure glad you're having the only Truth!There is real need for staying aggressive in Obamas campain and not waiting till the old war monger dude tells some thing and then defending ....... many voters will be confused that way I beleive and theLies will stay there any way no martter how Obama defends him slef later on or no matter if McCain denies what he told him self later on..... Time is running......
Founded "The Church Of The Holy Obama"?
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Conrad73: by Tony Blankley
Wed, Sept 24, 08
The mainstream media have gone over the line and are now straight-out propagandists for the Obama campaign.
While they have been liberal and blinkered in their worldview for decades, in 2007-08, for the first time, the major media consciously are covering for one candidate for president and consciously are knifing the other. This is no longer journalism; it is simply propaganda. (The American left-wing version of the Volkischer Beobachter cannot be far behind.)
And as a result, we are less than seven weeks away from possibly electing a president whos not been thoroughly or even halfway honestly presented to the country by our watchdog the press.
The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don't see Obama's ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile "come on" when he is being challenged. This is the kind of editing one would expect from Goebbels' disciples, not Cronkite's.
But in two years, they haven't bothered to see how close Obama was with the terrorist Ayers.
Nor have the media paid any serious attention to Obama's rise in Chicago politics. How did honest Obama rise in the famously sordid Chicago political machine with the full support of Boss Daley? Despite the great -and unflattering - details on Obama's Chicago years presented in David Freddoso's new book on Obama, the mainstream media continue to ignore both the facts and the book. It took a British publication, The Economist, to give Freddoso's book a review with fair comment.
Perhaps that is why the National Journal's respected correspondent Stuart Taylor wrote, "The media can no longer be trusted to provide accurate and fair campaign reporting and analysis."
The public will be voting based on the idealized image of the man who never was. If he wins, however, we will be governed by the sunken, cynical man Obama really is. One can only hope that the senior journalists will be judged as harshly for their professional misconduct as Wall Street's leaders currently are for their failings.
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If he wins,it will be a tainted Victory!
Wed, Sept 24, 08
The mainstream media have gone over the line and are now straight-out propagandists for the Obama campaign.
While they have been liberal and blinkered in their worldview for decades, in 2007-08, for the first time, the major media consciously are covering for one candidate for president and consciously are knifing the other. This is no longer journalism; it is simply propaganda. (The American left-wing version of the Volkischer Beobachter cannot be far behind.)
And as a result, we are less than seven weeks away from possibly electing a president whos not been thoroughly or even halfway honestly presented to the country by our watchdog the press.
The mainstream media ruthlessly and endlessly repeat any McCain gaffes while ignoring Obama gaffes. You have to go to weird little Web sites to see all the stammering and stuttering that Obama needs before getting out a sentence fragment or two. But all you see on the networks is an eventually clear sentence from Obama. You don't see Obama's ludicrous gaffe that Iran is a tiny country and no threat to us. Nor his 57 American states gaffe. Nor his forgetting, if he ever knew, that Russia has a veto in the U.N. Nor his whining and puerile "come on" when he is being challenged. This is the kind of editing one would expect from Goebbels' disciples, not Cronkite's.
But in two years, they haven't bothered to see how close Obama was with the terrorist Ayers.
Nor have the media paid any serious attention to Obama's rise in Chicago politics. How did honest Obama rise in the famously sordid Chicago political machine with the full support of Boss Daley? Despite the great -and unflattering - details on Obama's Chicago years presented in David Freddoso's new book on Obama, the mainstream media continue to ignore both the facts and the book. It took a British publication, The Economist, to give Freddoso's book a review with fair comment.
Perhaps that is why the National Journal's respected correspondent Stuart Taylor wrote, "The media can no longer be trusted to provide accurate and fair campaign reporting and analysis."
The public will be voting based on the idealized image of the man who never was. If he wins, however, we will be governed by the sunken, cynical man Obama really is. One can only hope that the senior journalists will be judged as harshly for their professional misconduct as Wall Street's leaders currently are for their failings.
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If he wins,it will be a tainted Victory!
But Conrad......
Tony Blankley = Right wing columnist
David Freddoso = right wing columnist
and.....
(from Wiki)
Freddoso took a leave from his job with National Review Online to write the book. The author previously was a writer for Human Events and a political reporter for Robert Novak's Evans-Novak Political Report.
The first press run of the book totaled nearly 300,000 copies, and it appeared on the August 24, 2008 New York Times Bestseller List for hardcover nonfiction at No. 5 (the list reflected sales for the week ending August 9, 2008; the Times stated that some book stores reported receiving bulk orders). Publicity for the book is handled by the conservative public relations firm Creative Response Concepts, headed by former Republican political official Greg Mueller. Creative Response Concepts also organized publicity for Unfit for Command by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, and for the 527 group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 United States presidential election
A familiar pattern here......liars for Bush have transformed into liars for McCain!
Everyone is entitled to their view but to suppose that this stuff is fact as opposed to conservative opinion is to go too far!
Tainted information rather than tainted victory!!
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Fallingman: But Conrad......
Tony Blankley = Right wing columnist
David Freddoso = right wing columnist
and.....
(from Wiki)
Freddoso took a leave from his job with National Review Online to write the book. The author previously was a writer for Human Events and a political reporter for Robert Novak's Evans-Novak Political Report.
The first press run of the book totaled nearly 300,000 copies, and it appeared on the August 24, 2008 New York Times Bestseller List for hardcover nonfiction at No. 5 (the list reflected sales for the week ending August 9, 2008; the Times stated that some book stores reported receiving bulk orders). Publicity for the book is handled by the conservative public relations firm Creative Response Concepts, headed by former Republican political official Greg Mueller. Creative Response Concepts also organized publicity for Unfit for Command by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, and for the 527 group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 United States presidential election
A familiar pattern here......liars for Bush have transformed into liars for McCain!
Everyone is entitled to their view but to suppose that this stuff is fact as opposed to conservative opinion is to go too far!
Tainted information rather than tainted victory!!
So?Tony Blankley = Right wing columnist
David Freddoso = right wing columnist
and.....
(from Wiki)
Freddoso took a leave from his job with National Review Online to write the book. The author previously was a writer for Human Events and a political reporter for Robert Novak's Evans-Novak Political Report.
The first press run of the book totaled nearly 300,000 copies, and it appeared on the August 24, 2008 New York Times Bestseller List for hardcover nonfiction at No. 5 (the list reflected sales for the week ending August 9, 2008; the Times stated that some book stores reported receiving bulk orders). Publicity for the book is handled by the conservative public relations firm Creative Response Concepts, headed by former Republican political official Greg Mueller. Creative Response Concepts also organized publicity for Unfit for Command by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi, and for the 527 group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during the 2004 United States presidential election
A familiar pattern here......liars for Bush have transformed into liars for McCain!
Everyone is entitled to their view but to suppose that this stuff is fact as opposed to conservative opinion is to go too far!
Tainted information rather than tainted victory!!
What about Huffington,Kos and all the rest that is being constantly brought up as Proof by a certain posting party?
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Conrad73: So?
What about Huffington,Kos and all the rest that is being constantly brought up as Proof by a certain posting party?
What about Huffington,Kos and all the rest that is being constantly brought up as Proof by a certain posting party?
That is opinion too for the most part.
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Source Wall Street Journal Opinion Section Oct.14,2008
Title Obama and ACORN
ACORN has been doing voter registerations in the country since 1977.
Is spending $16m this year to register. Most of the $16m comes from
in Federal grant funds.
Some of ACORN's registeration efforts this year:
Lake County, IN............2100 bogus registeration of 5000 turned
on the last day
Bridgeport, CO..........estimates that 20% of the ACORN registeration
were bad
Houston, TX.........40% of the 27,000 ACORN registeration were bad
Obama is now try to distance himself from ACORN. Yet While with the Wood Foundation gave ACORN $200K and more recently from his Presiential campaign chest $832K.
Bad registerations once in the system....accumulate. Meaning that a bad registeration done in 1977, could still be voted today. Assuming
that the illegal voter used it frequently enough to not be placed on the inactive file.
We have had 31 year of ACORN placing bad registeration into our system. That is why as this Wall Street Journalist stated it.......
"the question is whether ACRORN is systemicaily subverting US election law-on the tax payers dime"
Title Obama and ACORN
ACORN has been doing voter registerations in the country since 1977.
Is spending $16m this year to register. Most of the $16m comes from
in Federal grant funds.
Some of ACORN's registeration efforts this year:
Lake County, IN............2100 bogus registeration of 5000 turned
on the last day
Bridgeport, CO..........estimates that 20% of the ACORN registeration
were bad
Houston, TX.........40% of the 27,000 ACORN registeration were bad
Obama is now try to distance himself from ACORN. Yet While with the Wood Foundation gave ACORN $200K and more recently from his Presiential campaign chest $832K.
Bad registerations once in the system....accumulate. Meaning that a bad registeration done in 1977, could still be voted today. Assuming
that the illegal voter used it frequently enough to not be placed on the inactive file.
We have had 31 year of ACORN placing bad registeration into our system. That is why as this Wall Street Journalist stated it.......
"the question is whether ACRORN is systemicaily subverting US election law-on the tax payers dime"
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Wall Street Journal Oct. 14, 2008
Title: FED opens cash spigot to Overseas Credit Markets.
Looks like that devalued American dollar is getting hard to find in Europe these days.
While in a recent auction for US Dollars 70 European Banks bid
$88.6b for a $20b offering. Seems like the European banks like doing business in US Dollars just fine while their finance minsitries and
EU devalue it.
But since there is this shortage of US dollars in Europe. Our Fed has agreed to lend till April of next year, dollars in unlimited quanities, to
Bank of England, Swiss National Bank, and European Central Bank.
Bank of Japan may soon be added to the list.
So what does it mean?
Means that the US Taxpayer is lending unlimited amounts of US Dollars to the commercial bank of Europe. If they fail or have a crisis, means big time problems with billions going into default.
According to one financial analysis:
This is big stuff, as bold a move as I could imagine." Ray Stone of
Stone & McCarthy Research Associates.
It is a big move to secure European financial markets from further damage to the financial crisis here and elsewhere. Read the next post to understand that.
But it really bugs me....that the banks of Europe are paying 4 time the value of dollars, when the EU is devaluing them. Paying that shows a strong confidence in the currency. Not a unconfidence.
Title: FED opens cash spigot to Overseas Credit Markets.
Looks like that devalued American dollar is getting hard to find in Europe these days.
While in a recent auction for US Dollars 70 European Banks bid
$88.6b for a $20b offering. Seems like the European banks like doing business in US Dollars just fine while their finance minsitries and
EU devalue it.
But since there is this shortage of US dollars in Europe. Our Fed has agreed to lend till April of next year, dollars in unlimited quanities, to
Bank of England, Swiss National Bank, and European Central Bank.
Bank of Japan may soon be added to the list.
So what does it mean?
Means that the US Taxpayer is lending unlimited amounts of US Dollars to the commercial bank of Europe. If they fail or have a crisis, means big time problems with billions going into default.
According to one financial analysis:
This is big stuff, as bold a move as I could imagine." Ray Stone of
Stone & McCarthy Research Associates.
It is a big move to secure European financial markets from further damage to the financial crisis here and elsewhere. Read the next post to understand that.
But it really bugs me....that the banks of Europe are paying 4 time the value of dollars, when the EU is devaluing them. Paying that shows a strong confidence in the currency. Not a unconfidence.
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ttom500: Wall Street Journal Oct. 14, 2008
Title: FED opens cash spigot to Overseas Credit Markets.
Looks like that devalued American dollar is getting hard to find in Europe these days.
While in a recent auction for US Dollars 70 European Banks bid
$88.6b for a $20b offering. Seems like the European banks like doing business in US Dollars just fine while their finance minsitries and
EU devalue it.
But since there is this shortage of US dollars in Europe. Our Fed has agreed to lend till April of next year, dollars in unlimited quanities, to
Bank of England, Swiss National Bank, and European Central Bank.
Bank of Japan may soon be added to the list.
So what does it mean?
Means that the US Taxpayer is lending unlimited amounts of US Dollars to the commercial bank of Europe. If they fail or have a crisis, means big time problems with billions going into default.
According to one financial analysis:
This is big stuff, as bold a move as I could imagine." Ray Stone of
Stone & McCarthy Research Associates.
It is a big move to secure European financial markets from further damage to the financial crisis here and elsewhere. Read the next post to understand that.
But it really bugs me....that the banks of Europe are paying 4 time the value of dollars, when the EU is devaluing them. Paying that shows a strong confidence in the currency. Not a unconfidence.
Title: FED opens cash spigot to Overseas Credit Markets.
Looks like that devalued American dollar is getting hard to find in Europe these days.
While in a recent auction for US Dollars 70 European Banks bid
$88.6b for a $20b offering. Seems like the European banks like doing business in US Dollars just fine while their finance minsitries and
EU devalue it.
But since there is this shortage of US dollars in Europe. Our Fed has agreed to lend till April of next year, dollars in unlimited quanities, to
Bank of England, Swiss National Bank, and European Central Bank.
Bank of Japan may soon be added to the list.
So what does it mean?
Means that the US Taxpayer is lending unlimited amounts of US Dollars to the commercial bank of Europe. If they fail or have a crisis, means big time problems with billions going into default.
According to one financial analysis:
This is big stuff, as bold a move as I could imagine." Ray Stone of
Stone & McCarthy Research Associates.
It is a big move to secure European financial markets from further damage to the financial crisis here and elsewhere. Read the next post to understand that.
But it really bugs me....that the banks of Europe are paying 4 time the value of dollars, when the EU is devaluing them. Paying that shows a strong confidence in the currency. Not a unconfidence.
Not sure who you are attacking here? Europe or US economic policy? Yet another attempt to blame others for US economic self-destruction I suppose!
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Fallingman: Not sure who you are attacking here? Europe or US economic policy? Yet another attempt to blame others for US economic self-destruction I suppose!
Fallingman, I have said many times in the past that EU devalaution of the dollar is one of biggest econmic hurts. Saying that the devaluation was done for greed in Europe by your finance minstries. In something that is called war time currency profittering.
That your banks are paying 4 time the actual prices of a dollar tells you what? That it is a currency that should be devalued? No that is not what it tells me. Says that the currency is just fine.
That your banks enjoy speculating and trading it. Else they would not buying at 4 time value. On the other side of the coin....they devalue it to gain benefit in contracts and currency trade.
Not sure you should get it both ways, Fallingman.
Not attacking anyone, though I have been known to. Stating an opinion of the financial situations. Trying to show you some of the unfairness in our doing business with Europe over the devauled Dollar.
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ttom500: Fallingman, I have said many times in the past that EU devalaution of the dollar is one of biggest econmic hurts. Saying that the devaluation was done for greed in Europe by your finance minstries. In something that is called war time currency profittering.
That your banks are paying 4 time the actual prices of a dollar tells you what? That it is a currency that should be devalued? No that is not what it tells me. Says that the currency is just fine.
That your banks enjoy speculating and trading it. Else they would not buying at 4 time value. On the other side of the coin....they devalue it to gain benefit in contracts and currency trade.
Not sure you should get it both ways, Fallingman.
Not attacking anyone, though I have been known to. Stating an opinion of the financial situations. Trying to show you some of the unfairness in our doing business with Europe over the devauled Dollar.
That your banks are paying 4 time the actual prices of a dollar tells you what? That it is a currency that should be devalued? No that is not what it tells me. Says that the currency is just fine.
That your banks enjoy speculating and trading it. Else they would not buying at 4 time value. On the other side of the coin....they devalue it to gain benefit in contracts and currency trade.
Not sure you should get it both ways, Fallingman.
Not attacking anyone, though I have been known to. Stating an opinion of the financial situations. Trying to show you some of the unfairness in our doing business with Europe over the devauled Dollar.
Speculation is not peculiar to Europe...I think they do it on Wall Street too. I think the fall of the dollar in last year or two (though it is back up a bit recently) is a lot to do with the incredible deficit being run by the US government.
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