Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies? (603)
GregKeegan: I understand what you are saying but I think it still strands to reason that if tighter restrictions were placed on gun ownership and there were not as many guns available in society for the individuals that have issues that bend them towards these atrocities, then less of them would occur. I'm not into taking away the right to bear arms completely, I just think it would make a safer place if the laws concerning the acquisition of a firearm made it more difficult for the average nutter to do so as well as the restriction of military style weapons and semi and fully automatic weapons. I don't think that those types of weapons are safe in the hands of the average person and should be kept for use for their intended purpose and that is for military action.. I would not be opposed at all to seeing all of thiose weapons removed from the general public without licencing for specific uses such as gun clubs where their use was controlled as well as the storage of them. Not that it matters what I think about your country, it doesn't effect me how or what laws are there concerning guns of any type.
If someone is hell bent on doing these things then nothing will stop them from finding the ways and means of doing so regardless of any laws or restrictions that are in place. It only makes a difference to those individuals who at a time of instability, rage or anger where easy access to those kinds of firearms, means that they can act out their fantasy for whatever reason. If they didn't have easy access to them then a lot of these sad days just wouldn't be heard of.
If someone is hell bent on doing these things then nothing will stop them from finding the ways and means of doing so regardless of any laws or restrictions that are in placeIf someone is hell bent on doing these things then nothing will stop them from finding the ways and means of doing so regardless of any laws or restrictions that are in place. It only makes a difference to those individuals who at a time of instability, rage or anger where easy access to those kinds of firearms, means that they can act out their fantasy for whatever reason. If they didn't have easy access to them then a lot of these sad days just wouldn't be heard of.
"I just think it would make a safer place if the laws concerning the acquisition of a firearm made it more difficult for the average nutter to do so as well as the restriction of military style weapons and semi and fully automatic weapons"
I am ok with this.
I am ok with this.
Lindsy I don't understand the fascination that so many Americans have with owning guns 
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
serene56: Lindsy I don't understand the fascination that so many Americans have with owning guns
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
I can appreciate your foreign perspective on gun ownership in the USA.
There are many reasons the U.S. citizens support and value the second amendment rights. Most have already been mentioned many times in the forums.
People who want to protect themselves here don’t want to lose that 2nd amendment right to do so because of a disturbed individual and because our government has failed it’s job. In this case the perpetrator advertised what he wanted to using digital social media but the government failed us, the school system failed us, the parents today fail us.
I saw this well intended state,ent below on the Sam social media the perp used. I use perpetrator/perp because I don’t want to use the insane persons name.
serene56: Lindsy I don't understand the fascination that so many Americans have with owning guns
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
Can you explain this once and for all? ... the rest of the world looks on in horror at the massacres that repeatedly go on in your country
Someone on here said that if the perpetrator didn't have a gun, they would use a knife or club which to me is ridiculous
Is it time for your country to demand from your government a referendum on this issue, I can't imagine that the majority of your population is happy to accept that these repeated tragedies continue
Simple Serene, it is not a matter of fascination as much as a matter of protection. Here is the thing., The reason why it was a part of the second Amendment or included in the Constitution is that, as a free country, the founders of the Constitution thought that the government can't have too much power and if they act exactly like that, then the people can have protection from the government. Eventually, it became also a part of the protection of the citizens from harm either from invaders or any enemy, ie if someone comes and harm you at your domain, you have the right to kill them before they kill you.
Now here is the thing. It is established that these massacres or tragedies are done mostly by nuts and loonies. Taking away that right wouldn't help reduce these occurrence.
Personally, I do want to have my right to own gun for protection. But people have to be more responsible and by doing so, the person who is applying for license should be, a decent man or woman and no criminal records.
galrads: I can appreciate your foreign perspective on gun ownership in the USA.
There are many reasons the U.S. citizens support and value the second amendment rights. Most have already been mentioned many times in the forums.
People who want to protect themselves here don’t want to lose that 2nd amendment right to do so because of a disturbed individual and because our government has failed it’s job. In this case the perpetrator advertised what he wanted to using digital social media but the government failed us, the school system failed us, the parents today fail us.
I saw this well intended state,ent below on the Sam social media the perp used. I use perpetrator/perp because I don’t want to use the insane persons name.
There are many reasons the U.S. citizens support and value the second amendment rights. Most have already been mentioned many times in the forums.
People who want to protect themselves here don’t want to lose that 2nd amendment right to do so because of a disturbed individual and because our government has failed it’s job. In this case the perpetrator advertised what he wanted to using digital social media but the government failed us, the school system failed us, the parents today fail us.
I saw this well intended state,ent below on the Sam social media the perp used. I use perpetrator/perp because I don’t want to use the insane persons name.
Thanks for replying to Serene Galrads.
galrads: I can appreciate your foreign perspective on gun ownership in the USA.
There are many reasons the U.S. citizens support and value the second amendment rights. Most have already been mentioned many times in the forums.
People who want to protect themselves here don’t want to lose that 2nd amendment right to do so because of a disturbed individual and because our government has failed it’s job. In this case the perpetrator advertised what he wanted to using digital social media but the government failed us, the school system failed us, the parents today fail us.
I saw this well intended state,ent below on the Sam social media the perp used. I use perpetrator/perp because I don’t want to use the insane persons name.
There are many reasons the U.S. citizens support and value the second amendment rights. Most have already been mentioned many times in the forums.
People who want to protect themselves here don’t want to lose that 2nd amendment right to do so because of a disturbed individual and because our government has failed it’s job. In this case the perpetrator advertised what he wanted to using digital social media but the government failed us, the school system failed us, the parents today fail us.
I saw this well intended state,ent below on the Sam social media the perp used. I use perpetrator/perp because I don’t want to use the insane persons name.
Oh my gosh! I remember when we went to high school and the guys (mostly) had the rifles and gunracks. And nope not one would take out a gun to use it. Nor did their trucks get broken into. Crazy times now!
crazyblondeone: Oh my gosh! I remember when we went to high school and the guys (mostly) had the rifles and gunracks. And nope not one would take out a gun to use it. Nor did their trucks get broken into. Crazy times now!
Yep, back in the day we actually left the keys in the ignition of our cars.
lindsyjones: Thanks for replying to Serene Galrads.
Welcome, lindsyjones
galrads: Welcome, lindsyjones
Thanks for replying Galrads and LindsyJones 
However I still fail to see how your gun ownership rights are protecting your citizens when innocent children are mowed down by people with possible mental health issues
To my knowledge, no other country on this planet has this problem, does your mental health system need attention in addition to gun laws
However I still fail to see how your gun ownership rights are protecting your citizens when innocent children are mowed down by people with possible mental health issues
To my knowledge, no other country on this planet has this problem, does your mental health system need attention in addition to gun laws
Stop making more victims and start adding more security. Even instances on military bases have taken place because people that should be armed, aren't.
Laying down and creating more victims isn't the answer. Basically it's like being held at gunpoint with a choice of your money or your life. The twisted mindset is that we should allow room for more lives to be given.
My daughter had a bomb threat at her school the day prior to the shooting. If it would have went wrong; what would gun control laws do? If people want to kill, it can never be stopped or remotely controlled 100%.
There is nothing they can do on gun control that won't help the criminal or even criminally insane. Some of that insanity may even be coming from the pharmaceuticals used to control every thing instead of teaching, raising, and enforcing better character.
serene56: Thanks for replying Galrads and LindsyJones
However I still fail to see how your gun ownership rights are protecting your citizens when innocent children are mowed down by people with possible mental health issues
To my knowledge, no other country on this planet has this problem, does your mental health system need attention in addition to gun laws
However I still fail to see how your gun ownership rights are protecting your citizens when innocent children are mowed down by people with possible mental health issues
To my knowledge, no other country on this planet has this problem, does your mental health system need attention in addition to gun laws
Guns don’t kill.
If this perpetrator used a car to run over the kids would you want to ban cars?
Without USAs 2nd amendment rights no one else in the world would enjoy there current limited freedoms they enjoy today.
Ive hear news that since refuges in Biblical propotional number flood EU and rapes are sky rocketing ...Austria's WOMEN massively baying all kind of guns to protect themselves.
Personally I dislike guns but considering changes in the world, I am for owning guns by healthy mind citizens.
Personally I dislike guns but considering changes in the world, I am for owning guns by healthy mind citizens.
Guns DO kill and I can't accept the arguments offered by those who say otherwise.
Arming people with cars, knives, clubs, rolling pins or sharp needles does not equate to someone firing, or threatening to fire, a loaded gun.
Ok I'm out, the rest of the world is watching the tragedies that continue to unfold in your country to the point where it's becoming another day, another shooting spree in the United States.
Which is a tragedy in itself.
Arming people with cars, knives, clubs, rolling pins or sharp needles does not equate to someone firing, or threatening to fire, a loaded gun.
Ok I'm out, the rest of the world is watching the tragedies that continue to unfold in your country to the point where it's becoming another day, another shooting spree in the United States.
Which is a tragedy in itself.
I just had an epiphany after listening to comments from some American youth (not involved in this tragedy)
Those of you on here who support the right to bear arms are senior citizens (as is your president), perhaps you represent the Old Guard in your country.
The remarks I heard did not represent your long-held views, let's hope your youth has the vigour and drive to remove these antiquated notions and maybe some day America will be great again and innocent lives saved.
Those of you on here who support the right to bear arms are senior citizens (as is your president), perhaps you represent the Old Guard in your country.
The remarks I heard did not represent your long-held views, let's hope your youth has the vigour and drive to remove these antiquated notions and maybe some day America will be great again and innocent lives saved.
Some websites attract nutter cults that love and stockpile guns.
NRA KILLS AMERICAN CHILDREN FOR PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
NRA KILLS AMERICAN CHILDREN FOR PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you wonder why nobody outside of America cried for 9/11? You wonder why no matter where you go in the world nobody likes you... this is the reason.
No surprise to hear of another tragedy in the US & the typical response of tightening gun laws.
With a country that is so corrupt, it typifies the uncaring society they live in.
Everyone needs to take responsibility, rather than burdening the blame!
With a country that is so corrupt, it typifies the uncaring society they live in.
Everyone needs to take responsibility, rather than burdening the blame!
What I take away from this is that the opinion of a couple of people on here hopefully does not represent that of a nation
Alternatively, if the people of the United States are so terrified of and paranoid about their fellow citizens that they feel the need to own a gun and are prepared to shoot to kill, it's a place that I would never want to visit and no wonder so many other nations find their warlike mentality reprehensible.
Alternatively, if the people of the United States are so terrified of and paranoid about their fellow citizens that they feel the need to own a gun and are prepared to shoot to kill, it's a place that I would never want to visit and no wonder so many other nations find their warlike mentality reprehensible.
Japan had 6 gun deaths last year. To even suggest a few hundred as a possible goal for the U.S. in a year is ludicrous.
This article link pasted just suggests ways to reduce the carnage here. With the corruption in Congress and lobbies I doubt diversity will make any difference---- The NRA is the biggest lobby in D.C. , sinister and corrupt.
This article link pasted just suggests ways to reduce the carnage here. With the corruption in Congress and lobbies I doubt diversity will make any difference---- The NRA is the biggest lobby in D.C. , sinister and corrupt.
the example the constant wars America engaged its self in is very poor example for the young generation. The level of dishonesty in American politicians is simply mind blowing. Example Obama and Clinton staged the very big lie that the world watch unfold when they claimed an attack was in process then went on to proclaim Seals had cold bloody executed Bin Laden in front of one of his wives. Beside being a bloody outrageous lie, had such an event actually have occurred at very least was a war crime, shooting unarmed prisoners of war like occurred in Afghanistan, over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported American supervised execution of unarmed Taliban prisoners or war is another war crime and in any event hardly virtuous conduct by a bunch of lunatic's proclaiming themselves to be the world policemen.
Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
Miwagi: Japan is a monolithic culture are you suggesting diversity is the cause of our gun violence?
Google BBC NEWS MAGAZINE "HOW JAPAN HAS ALMOST ERADICATED GUN VIOLENCE" Lots more than diversity involved, far more.
robplum: the example the constant wars America engaged its self in is very poor example for the young generation. The level of dishonesty in American politicians is simply mind blowing. Example Obama and Clinton staged the very big lie that the world watch unfold when they claimed an attack was in process then went on to proclaim Seals had cold bloody executed Bin Laden in front of one of his wives. Beside being a bloody outrageous lie, had such an event actually have occurred at very least was a war crime, shooting unarmed prisoners of war like occurred in Afghanistan, over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported American supervised execution of unarmed Taliban prisoners or war is another war crime and in any event hardly virtuous conduct by a bunch of lunatic's proclaiming themselves to be the world policemen.
Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
Obama is a Muslim lover everyone know that, he make Saddam Hussein look like giant peter head Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
.I need to correct quoted figure
over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported
should read over 8000 in one lot and 1250 not 2500, i am referring to the Taliban herded in containers that were then machined gunned and berried elsewhere (united nations raised the event)
The 8000 refers to the prisoners held in an old castle that Australian David Hicks was extracted from before the slaughter commenced. The prisoners held in the castle had surrendered when America and its allies including Australia (members of Nato) first invaded Afghanistan.
over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported
should read over 8000 in one lot and 1250 not 2500, i am referring to the Taliban herded in containers that were then machined gunned and berried elsewhere (united nations raised the event)
The 8000 refers to the prisoners held in an old castle that Australian David Hicks was extracted from before the slaughter commenced. The prisoners held in the castle had surrendered when America and its allies including Australia (members of Nato) first invaded Afghanistan.
robplum: I need to correct quoted figure
over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported
should read over 8000 in one lot and 1250 not 2500, i am referring to the Taliban herded in containers that were then machined gunned and berried elsewhere (united nations raised the event)
The 8000 refers to the prisoners held in an old castle that Australian David Hicks was extracted from before the slaughter commenced. The prisoners held in the castle had surrendered when America and its allies including Australia (members of Nato) first invaded Afghanistan.
over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported
should read over 8000 in one lot and 1250 not 2500, i am referring to the Taliban herded in containers that were then machined gunned and berried elsewhere (united nations raised the event)
The 8000 refers to the prisoners held in an old castle that Australian David Hicks was extracted from before the slaughter commenced. The prisoners held in the castle had surrendered when America and its allies including Australia (members of Nato) first invaded Afghanistan.
Cant find this, maybe you confused it with this?::::
robplum: the example the constant wars America engaged its self in is very poor example for the young generation. The level of dishonesty in American politicians is simply mind blowing. Example Obama and Clinton staged the very big lie that the world watch unfold when they claimed an attack was in process then went on to proclaim Seals had cold bloody executed Bin Laden in front of one of his wives. Beside being a bloody outrageous lie, had such an event actually have occurred at very least was a war crime, shooting unarmed prisoners of war like occurred in Afghanistan, over 8000 in one lot and 2500 in another reported American supervised execution of unarmed Taliban prisoners or war is another war crime and in any event hardly virtuous conduct by a bunch of lunatic's proclaiming themselves to be the world policemen.
Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
Never lone the lax gun control, and stupid state sponsored executions that still continue in many states of America. Christianity (along with others) is a harmful religious dogma that needs correcting, thee shalt not kill means stop killing full stop, they are constantly harshly judging the KARMA'S of others without even the slightest clue about interdependent arising's, not even slightest understanding of reality and no understading of true compassion what so ever great big "0"
I don’t see why they would need to or want to put an end to bin Ladin in front of his wife. She may have been there in the same room yes, but the seals had a job to do. She knew that and could have left the scene if she was.
There is another story to explain his burial at sea: there wasn’t much left of bin laden after the seals emptied one round in him for every 9/11 victim.
One2note: No surprise to hear of another tragedy in the US & the typical response of tightening gun laws.
With a country that is so corrupt, it typifies the uncaring society they live in.
Everyone needs to take responsibility, rather than burdening the blame!
With a country that is so corrupt, it typifies the uncaring society they live in.
Everyone needs to take responsibility, rather than burdening the blame!
Good morning everyone.
I can't help but wondering about how corruption has anything to do with gun control. But let us just say, it is the issue, which is not, I think your country as all other countries with the exception of Switzerland, are all corrupt.
Anyways, I do agree that any country can't be ideal and or perfect, but these are tragedies that are committed by nuts and loonies which has no relation to corruption.
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Agree. This has to stop. Taking away our right to bear arms is not the answer.