RE: How does health care work in the US, how is it different from obamacare and what is your opinion?

Here's a real life example for you, Foxxie. Someone very close to me developed Leukemia and the ONLY chance for survival was a bone marrow transplant. It took several levels of insurance approvals at the time, because the treatment is so severe they can't predict how expensive it will be. They have to administer massive amounts of chemoso all sorts of complications can come up - liver failure, kidney failure, total organ failure...and all of them have to be paid for or guaranteed before the hospital will begin.

Long story short, the total cost for one year, which included treatment, donor search, and then the transplant was around $2 million dollars. The patient's annual out-of-pocket maximum on his insurance was $5,000 - and that's all they billed him.

People (myself included) often forget that health insurance really only matters when you are faced with a catastrophic illness. The insurance companies use our collective premiums to cover us for the expensive, life saving treatments we need sometimes.

Do you think Obamacare would have approved this transplant?

RE: Cloud's Game

Now might be a good time to hit the block button. laugh


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RE: Unemployment rate drops from 8.2% to 7.8%

Not to mention that every month the revise the old month's figures UP to the true numbers.

CNBC: "The report presented a slew of contradictory data points, with the total employment level soaring despite the low net number."

No one can figure out how 114,000 new jobs (when we need (150,000 just to keep EVEN), decreases the unemployment rate by 3%. Unbelievable! Talk about fuzzy math. very mad

RE: Unemployment rate drops from 8.2% to 7.8%

Even MSNBC said there was something wrong with these numbers.

U3 may have dropped under eight, but U6 (which is the total unemployed) is still at 14++ percent.

RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

Oops...I meant to add "because heat always rises." doh

Glad to see you got it anyway. bouquet

RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

Exactly!

I swear, Ooby. If hell keeps freezing over like this we really will have global warming!

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RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

Are you grinning ear to ear?

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RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

John Zogby: Mitt Won Big
Thursday, 04 Oct 2012 06:59 AM
By John Zogby

Mitt Romney won big tonight. President Obama got digs in on the former governor over the lack of detail of his proposals, but Romney clearly came out to play hard. The other big winner was the American people. This was a real debate with real differences, real clarity. Too bad voters have had to be assaulted by attack ads and hyper-emotion.

Romney displayed a mastery of the economy, of small business, of health care, of taxes -- of all issues. He was aggressive, something that was deemed risky beforehand, but he did not get personal or mean. He was respectful to the sitting President, but in no way awed by his presence.

While Obama took it to the GOP candidate (Where's the beef? Where are details on tax cuts, on health care?), Romney handled it deftly -- this debate was about principles and style. Romney reminded the President and voters that he was a bipartisan leader who sought and achieved consensus and legislation by working with the other side in Massachusetts.

Romney also showed his differences on Obamacare. This was a difficult task because this could have opened him up to charges of hypocrisy. He is a seasoned debater and this was the discussion on health care we should have had all along.

Obama scored a major point on pre-existing conditions. But Romney came right back to argue that no insurance company would deny service. We will have to see how that plays out but at least the discussion was held and it was civil.

Finally, I had said before the debate that Romney would have to show a command of the economy and put it in personal terms -- a tough task. He did that tonight. The President was uncomfortable, stammering at times. Romney won.

RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

That too! laugh


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RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

The Romney plan may have served as a template but there are many significant differences between the actual nuts and bolts of the plans. Romney, for example, did not exempt 162 BIG labor unions like Obamacare did (not to mention all the business Nancy Pelosi exempted from her district). Those things all feed into the bottom line when it comes to cost, not to mention the obvious question...WHY did they need to exempt them if Obamacare was so cheap and good for the country?

RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

thumbs up Totally agree!thumbs up

RE: Romney crushes Obummer in 1st debate!

Agreed. Flat tax or radically simplified tax. They should make it mandatory that both houses of Congress do their own taxes for a year. That would shake things up! laugh

The next debate will favor Obama because it's a Town Hall format and there will surely be people coming in with pre-approved zingers for Romney. But overall, it shows that Obama is quite spoiled by only working with teleprompters and staged events where nobody DARES to talk back to him. Romney came prepared and he had all the facts and figures in his head. Obama looked pinched and sour when he could come up with retorts.

RE: Young ladies close your legs....

When I was a kid ready to go out for an evening, my mom would tell me, "No bed, Bennies, or booze."

She said she didn't want to read about me in the newspapers Police Report. laugh doh laugh

RE: What would you do if you were quitting your job?

Always leave graciously. Not only don't you want to burn your bridges, but you should always act in a way that shows YOUR character no matter how low their character is. All you can control is how you lead your life...be proud and don't sink to anyone's level but your own.

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RE: Communist Party USA

I'm not so sure it is a vote of no confidence, considering his past affiliations and the work he has done so far. Seems to me he might easily be a card-carrying member.

RE: Communist Party USA

Is anyone surprised that COMMUNIST PARTY USA is endorsing Obama, along with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro's communist daughter, Mariela????






If it walk like a duck, quacks like a duck.....help help

RE: Questions for Obama in debate????

Yeppers! Clear as mud. doh

RE: Communist Party USA

Not a single major poll or approval/disapproval index favors Obama when Unskewed.com’s analysis is applied.

The website says there is Democratic bias in polling because of over-sampling Democrats based on voter exit polls in the 2008 presidential election, when enthusiasm for a then relatively unknown but charismatic presidential candidate boosted Democratic Party voter registration and turnout to historic levels.

When you revise the sample base to reflect real voter turnout in 2010, or even in 2004, Romney is ahead by roughly 9 percentage points.

RE: Questions for Obama in debate????

• Most economists agree this is the worst recovery since the Depression. In 2009, you said that if you couldn't turn the economy around by now your presidency would be a "one-term proposition." Why shouldn't voters take you up on that?


• Your resume includes community organizer, civil-rights attorney, professor and politician. Your opponent has not only started up his own company but helped turn around other companies, as well as the Olympics. How is he not eminently more qualified to turn around this economy?

• Biographer David Maraniss documents 38 fabrications in your memoir, "Dreams From My Father." If readers can't trust you to be honest in your autobiography, why should voters trust you with another term?

• Did Ayers, as he has claimed, help you write "Dreams"?

• On several occasions you've led voters to believe your cancer-stricken mother was denied "treatment" for a "pre-existing condition" and had to fight her insurer for payment on her death bed. But a reporter found that Cigna in fact paid all her medical bills. Did you tell a story about your own mother to help sell ObamaCare?

• On the campaign trail, you commiserate with debt-burdened college students by noting you took years to get out from under your own student loans. What was your total debt, and who held those notes? What scholarship money did you get, if any? And did you ever apply for or receive foreign student aid?

• Voters have seen college transcripts of past presidential candidates. Why not yours? What were your GPAs at Occidental and Columbia?

RE: Communist Party USA

On the eve of the first presidential debate, the RealClearPolitics average of national polls finds Obama with a 3.2 percentage point lead.

Hardly a sweeping gap...

RE: Communist Party USA

The drastic reductions in Medicare reimbursements under ObamaCare will create havoc and chaos in health care for seniors. Many doctors, surgeons and specialists providing critical care to the elderly—such as surgery for hip and knee replacements, sophisticated diagnostics through MRIs and CT scans, and even treatment for cancer and heart disease—will cease serving Medicare patients. If the government is not going to pay, then seniors are not going to get the health services, treatment and care they expect.

Mr. Foster reports that two-thirds of hospitals already lose money on Medicare patients. Under ObamaCare it will get much worse. Hospitals also will shut down or stop serving Medicare patients.

The president's concept of spreading the wealth includes sacking the Medicare system, on which America's seniors have come to rely for medical care, in favor of others the president's progressive vision deems more worthy.

Everyone should know by now that Medicare suffers dramatic long-term deficits and unfunded liabilities, and is in need of fundamental, structural reforms. But effectively refusing to pay the doctors and hospitals that provide the medical care the program promises to seniors is no way to solve that problem.


Wall St. Journal

RE: Communist Party USA

At the time of Obamacare’s passage, Democrats touted the fact that the CBO had then said that the gross cost of Obamacare’s insurance coverage provisions would be “only” $938 billion. But that was for 2010 through 2019, while Obamacare wouldn’t really even go into effect until 2014.

Now, the CBO says that the gross cost of Obamacare’s insurance coverage provisions over the 9-year span from 2014 through 2022 would be $1.674 trillion.

Even if one were to assume that Obamacare’s annual costs, which the CBO says would rise by between 3.6 and 9.5 percent during each of the final five years of its scoring, would suddenly stop rising altogether in 2023 and would remain at $256 billion — the cost for 2022 — the tally for Obamacare’s real first decade (2014-23) would be $1.930 trillion.


And still...30 million will remain uninsured.

RE: Communist Party USA

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who
is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a
fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."



--Prager Zeitung, Czech Newspaper, 28 April 2010

RE: Communist Party USA

Hopefully not in my lifetime. blues

RE: Communist Party USA

Obama's anti-capitalist background and views are well documented:

Obama's father was a communist; his mother was a communist sympathizer;

In his youth he was mentored by the communist Frank Marshall Davis;

He sought out Marxist friends and professors at Occidental College;

He attended Socialist Scholars Conferences in New York;

He was trained in the community-organizing methods of Saul Alinsky, a communist fellow traveler;

He developed close ties to the pro-socialist community organization ACORN;

He developed close personal and political ties to the infamous Marxists (and former domestic terrorists) Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn;

He was hand-picked for his first political office by Alice Palmer, a pro-Soviet figure in Illinois;

In the 1990s he became a member of the New Party, a socialist political coalition;

He had close connections to the Midwest Academy, a radical training ground which author Stanley Kurtz has described as a “crypto-socialist organization”;

He spent twenty years attending the church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who preaches the Marxist doctrines of liberation theology.

As President, Obama appointed Carol Browner, a former
“commissioner” of the Socialist International as his “environment czar”;

He employed a White House communications director (Anita Dunn) who cited Mao Zedong as one of her “favorite political philosophers”;

He appointed a “science czar,” John Holdren, who views capitalism as a system that is inherently destructive of the environment;

He appointed Van Jones, a longtime revolutionary communist, as his “green jobs czar”;

He strongly favors the redistribution of wealth, both within the U.S. and across international borders.


The list, of course, could go on and on.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......



RE: Communist Party USA

Are Americans still seeing communists under every rock?
Stop watching your 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's American movies if fear of a 'red menace' is really making your life uncomfortable.[/quote

I haven't watched movies or television in years. I read LOTS of publications from all over the world and then study the facts. comfort

RE: Communist Party USA

Night all.

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RE: Communist Party USA

Yes but some rationing is irrational! laugh Obamacare only allows you $5,000 a year in medical care, $10,000 per family.

That's like one pacemaker! wow uh oh wow

RE: Communist Party USA

Good night, Monte.

We're all wishing you the very best for your surgery tomorrow!! Let us know when you get all sorted and the drugs have cleared away!

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RE: Communist Party USA

Sorry. I meant to say Obamacare would NOT approve a treatment like this - even though it is the patient's ONLY CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.

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