to kill is against human law is it not?

Then why on earth do we allow religion in our realms that incite to murder us all?

Now you'd say they're only fanatics yet we see hundreds if not thousands of them trained to do just that.

Again I'm not here to say that all muslims are killers not at all.

I do know for a fact that there are good ones yet out of 1.3 billion and 3 percent of them visibly out to carry that provision, what guarantee do I have that this number doesn't get to a point where all of them will wake up and become a true follower and do as incited and ordered?

Note : San Bernardino is an example of those that have underestimated such notion.
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Someone responded on of the forums disputing that there are no good muslims those who claim to be are hypocrites for not being true to their religion.

This is where the conflict comes from. When it comes down to what truly is right then why not change that provision?
Morning Lindsy,wave I totally agree with what you re saying. A few days ago (here in Canada) we had a student of middle east decent),who was arrested for planning to go overseas to fight with isis,confused How soon is it going to be before those people are going to say why go overseas, when they can start that fight here,in N. America.
Back to the student that was arrested, he was attending university, and one day, out of the blue he woke up , and decided he was going to go join isis. What got into his head to make him want to do this, is this going to become common practise among some people. I know its not proper to judge a whole group of people on the actions of a few, but you can t tell that to those poor people killed in Paris, and Brussels.
Thanks so much my dear Ito and like a good point of comparison the 3 percent established number which can be more,is bigger than the whole standing army of the world.
In this war, it is a pity for children and old men.crying
John this is so simple yet so complicated. When it comes down to what is wrong and what is right, we should take the protection and safety of all humanities.
Umka my dear you have a point there this is not to blame anyone as to who's crimes are bigger not at all. But if the point I'm trying to clarify is it's very unfair to not look at this provision specially if most blanket that those who claim (I don't personally), are good are hypocrites for not strictly following this provision. That's if in fact is the case we're doomed.
I won't be back to argue because I'm agin all organized religion. And I doubt many of you will bother to read the above long, long comment. But - say your religion tells you to do these things. Would you? Of course not. Assume that those who follow other religions are also rational and take the good, not the bad, from their religions.
Stingman Thanks for that, interesting.
Hey Pal'
You're looking hot tonight wink

Funny that you mention a figure of 3%,

I was only reading an article claiming that in or about that same number of the worlds population are sociopaths .

If this is true then any demographic you choose will fall into this quagmire..

heres an example;

Ken
Was going to post Fifth Estate news coverage on Trump...he certainly is an entertainer...imagine that he gets elected...another kind of extremism...wow

Lind
Before you go bashing a religion...check out what Eleg stated...she makes sense...but I suspect your too far gone...
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@ elegsabiff

these are from the old testament before Christ came to earth to teach GOD's law to the people. read the new testament. hope this will help.
stringman, shows how out of touch I am with it all, I thought the bible still contained both laugh just as well it doesn't or the Muslim community might be justified in calling the Christians hypocrites doh
The rest of your addition in fact makes me believe in a different way without being obligated to be ungodly. I don't perceive any of these as being used right now in any other religion much the same way like I said to you.

Enumerating the flaw of this religion doesn't make my question irrelevant to the effect of the fact that 3 percent of a very big group, does follow.

If again, I will repeat, if any of these are currently used to harm you or anyone, I would be just as staunch in standing up against their acts.
I just found this article.

New testament Cruelty.
dunno

PS I don't like Sam Harris conversing
Joy you couldn't have said it any better.

I believe that my question is a very legitimate one that deems serious thinking. Even a grade one or juvenile can get to the point. If you were young and your mother would have told you to go and kill those that don'e believe in what he believes in, how different is that to what I am asking?

So now one would say, in this case Elagsabiff, no sane mind will have to to that. Exactly so then should we ignore the 3 percent that gets to be loyal to this religion? Like I said, the number of the largest standing army in the World in this case China, followed by US is clearly outnumbered by these killers.

What is so wrong in accepting the fact that the provision on this stupid book does advocate killing which none in the other religions are doing now and then. If there were, like I said, I would have been just as vocal as question their motivation relative to humanity and our right to live in peace.
Because sociopaths are ruthless and will squash their rivals and burn institutions to the ground in order to reach their goals – but great at pretending that they care about people – they are incredibly destructive.

You made me laugh my pal. First because it does point out two things, how many people are truly sick and the other most important thing is how effective is our US way of identifying them.

Now granting that these sociopaths are all with the same level of deliberately killing us, imagine the result.sad flower hug
Ken on Trump's interview right now, with Chris said and quote: Why do we not let muslims come?

If the killers in Belgium were muslims born and raised there much the same way as San Bernardino then the more we have the right to shut them off so we can concentrate on profiling and checking out those born here, who obviously didn't integrate and mostly sociopaths according to Non's tape. Those that are posing as angels in wolves skin.

Now on your point, if that is the law so be it. For now I don't take him any less capable to be my president because of this issue.
Jonh thanks.sad flower
Again Non, I have not to my knowledge implemented any of these distorted views and provisions that are being used by any Christians, Catholic or not. I can't for the life of me, see any of these actions being laid down to be implemented and specially on all of them.

For purposes of clarification, please provide me an act based on any of these that are prevalent and being used? Wheww Non, what a notion, and like Elle mentioned not all of us will have no brain to follow such stupid provisions, but this is beyond my question Non.

Stick with my Human law will you? Is there any of these laws that are religion based and specifically enforced to violate any human laws?
Sands
Good point...have you seen the discussion Bill Maher had regarding Trump?...basically Trump is more than infatuated with himself...he uses whatever means to win...the truth is irrelevant to him...a demagogue...doh
As a pragmatist Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum wage for working the drive-through a Carl’s Jr Hamburgers.

I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating more problems.

You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason people do not like him is because:

(1) he is antithetical to the “good old boy” method of brokering backroom deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;

(2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a candidate speak who is unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who own them vis-à-vis donations;

(3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology; and

(4) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises and political correctness to make America great again.

Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is like listening to two lunatics trying to “out crazy” one another. Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush can deny it but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.

We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us? Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?
I submit that a pragmatist might be just what America needs right now. And as I said earlier, a pragmatist sees a problem and understands that the solution to fix same is not about a party, but a willingness and boldness to get it done.

People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives, and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

These and many more that comes to mind. Most specifically our immigration policy. It is inherent for us to protect our borders. Period. It is against the law to illegally allow migrants.

The acute need of protection of our country, I love his design and his goal.
LJ I agree with you 1,000% about being safeguarded, but if you've read the book of Revelations you know about the false profit. Trump is that false profit. This isn't about politics it's about placing an evil person at the highest position in the land. You need to dig deeper into the personality here and understand how the narcissist will fool you EVERY time.do the research it will be rewarding. And then read what professional phychitrist say about him. Have Togo with Cruz here the only option.wave
Okay now two things Sand, if he is as you believe, a false prophet, then much like Judas isn't it? Used to make a destiny happen.

Now on the one hand if I think of it beyond religious credible prophecy, then I am losing all my human free will of using my choices based on what I think. Since my perception and my belief and my level of understanding of understanding are all gift, then I am going to take up all the responsibility of my mistake or for that matter, supplying the force to make a prophecy. For right now I am fit to think for myself and would say not doped or fooled to that effect.sad flower
Note: The long response on my choices of Trump was sent to me by a friend and I copy pasted it. It is not my original idea although it is very obvious that is where my reasons are.

Thanks my dear H for that addition.bouquet
Kae, I'll try one more time. My premise is not political. It's based on the evil mind of a NARCISSIST.....if your not sure what I'm saying then in depth research will be rewarding for you.

And I didn't realize that predictions ie: (the future) were fact based....
Hi Gold, Like Kae has insinuated I don't believe your desperate as you will not be a voter in this election. Your post was very good....it appears you know the narcissist, as myself...this gives us a head start from the rest of the crowd.......super
Well Kae, that depends do you believe they are narcissists? Your lack of knowledge about the narc clear, but I can only suggest again that you do some research.......
Kaet don't waste your time with Lou. I ignore her and unfortunately no matter what we do, she is just as pathetic as Og, the juvenile woman from Ireland. lolrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

Let us ignore them. They see black and we see white. No point in arguing as they will never understand where our position is. I can guarantee you, though, that if they will directly reap these crimes and be the victims, they still probably will smile and do nothing. Now that is the true enemy of this world.sad flower
sands, I would not answer and you can't force me to agree with you. BS with the research, who the hell are you telling people to do research when you did not even do yours? thumbs down
John thanks as alwasy.bouquet
LJ,your last comment is uncalled for and extremely unnecessary. I would ask for you to remove it as everyone has an opinion and a thought process and should not be demeaned because we don't agree with it...you can delete this one as well...have a great day......
That is an absolute truth my dear Joy. Imagine that, have the audacity to remove an emblem that is respected for centuries? go figure. Isn't that preposterous that these bozos don't respect what we believe in? We are not going to their country and impose on them. Ridiculous.sad flower
Sands

It is of no use to try to give your opinion or try to educate some here...Trump is Linds god...lol...laugh

I understand your point of view...and so do many others...wine
Lou I have told you over and over again and it seems it goes to your ear and out the other ear.

Obama fooled me from believing into his lies. None of those things he said had ever come into what I expected and look at Hilary, it just makes me cringe to my stomach. If you can divorce a man you love because of change that are not quite resulting to harmonious relations then change.

I can't condone bad things that are committed in front of me and I have the right to choose who can best serve my interest. Having said that, thanks and I respect your opinion, now leave it as that.sad flower
I am leaving to visit my friend in the hospital for the kidney trouble and I will be back. Please direct your discussion as to the purpose of this thread.

Thanks all.
Phyl....True that....agreeing about Donald Trump being a pragmatist! And the real reason for those opposing him......FEAR......because of what he will do to solve the problems in this country! Many have been riding on the coat tails of these problems and reaping benefits.....now they can see the handwriting on the wall....the gravy train might just be ending if Trump is elected! I for one would like to see 4 years of Trump as President of this country...give him a chance....we certainly did with Obama.....and Trump could be exactly what we need!peace
You couldn't have said any better my dear H.

Thanks again, I really enjoyed that.bouquet
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