The church has always taken a stance against progress. Advances in medicine like creating humans in test tubes, cloning, or whatever you want to call it, would shatter the church's main pillar preachings, that God created man. If man created man, where would the church fit God?
Remember what the church did to Galileo Galilei, when he contradicted it by saying that it was the earth that revolved round the sun, and that the world was NOT the centre of the universe?
When medicine makes man immortal, what would they substitute the immortality that they project for the next life with??
The mistake that the church makes is that it feels it has to impose a moral code on Man, when Man is capable enough to adapt a moral code for himself, based on the truth and on progress, not on wishful thinking! No disrespect to the church, just my honest opinion.
Ok I get it. You are "PIRANDELLIAN " people...an adjective from Pirandello, the Italian playwright who wrote the story "Cosi' e' se vi pare. Translated it would read. It is like that if you see it like that, in a very literal translation from the Italian.
While agreeing that this might be the case in politics, in fact one adheres to a political party because one believes it is the right party for him/her, I do not see it applicable in many other circumstances. What Donau said about seeing an ugly person beautiful because she has a pleasant character or is a kind soul, makes no sense, because if we are talking about her external appearance then we have to agree that she is ugly. And then we can also agree that she is a very sociable person. But we cannot compensate for various things by equating them.
As regards to your argument FOS, about blind people, for a blind person green is still green and red is still red. Too bad the blind person cannot see them. But the fact that he cannot see it does not change the colour in its substance. So our concept of things can vary, but they remain basically what they are.
All this however is a deviation from the main thread "the art of female lies". Women lie because they don't want the truth to be known. It is very inconvenient most of the time that their partners know things from their past. Which incidentally hurts me more for being told a lie, than the truth, no matter how bad it is. In the extreme case where it is so grevious, then I would prefer to have the option to be told and have the last word about hanging on or leaving. But to be told a lie is the equivalent of being betrayed. After all what is the difference??
Somebody made of straw is an expression meaning a person who has no sense of right or wrong.
I can understand why some lies are pleasant to hear. For example telling an ugly woman that she is beautiful. That is what she loves to hear. But it is only deception. As for me being a saint, forget it, I am no saint. What I mean is that if something is true, I say so. This is the same as saying something is white or black. What I don't do is call something white when it is black, just because my audience prefers to hear me say that. I am no man of straw!! There is only one truth, and this is not subjective to the teller. It is absolute.
The Bible Smoky urges us to have self control. We have the option to speak and give our opinion, or to stay silent. But when we speak, we have to say the tuth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I really don't want to believe that you really mean what you have said. You can't really be made of straw!!! How shameful to believe that lies could ever be better than the truth!!
Lionheart dear, this is not about those without sin to cast the first stone. As you put it, nobody should say the truth to the other, as if two wrongs made a right. Truth is sacred, and whoever asks for it should be told no lies. If this fundamental truth were to be done away with, in view of the sinner throwing the first stone or not, then the world would be submerged by horrible secrets like in those secret societies, where the person just behind you knows horrible things about you, but you don't know him fro Adan & Eve, because it is a secret society.....and those who have ever been in one, know what I mean. Take your pick, take your choice, but decide on which side of the fence you want to be . You cannot just stand on the wall!"!
All countries have a right to independence. Are you still with the old colonial ideas of times gone by? With regards to Serbia, let that country cross its own bridges. Serbia has never been much of a democracy.
Incidentally, the countries of the world who honour justice and independence did RIGHT to accept the declaration of independence, even if it was done through the back door, but without any bloodshed!
So you pretend to be respected by those around you, for keeping secrets or telling lies to hide your past sins, some of them unacceptably mortal, in every sense of the word.
Even if I had to live without the love of a woman, I would never choose that type of woman to live by my side.From my woman I expect NO secrets and NO lies. That is the way I am with the woman I love, and that is what I expect from EVERY woman who shares my life.
but love shouldn't hurt......... true love should be such a wonderful unselfish thing that if she/he goes off with somebody else your face should just break out into a huge grin of love (relief?) and you just wish them all the best! ('good riddance to bad rubbish'?)
Rusty, what was your love a minute before, does not turn into bad rubbish, whe you discover she has gone with someone else!!
Love hurts, even if she is with you, and you could read in her face that there is still that feeling for somebody else that she had loved so much, but was rejected.
This is the nearest opinion to mine so far, but I have to add that although comparisons are odious, I still think that the subconscious in us often surfaces them to the conscious, to allow us to judge if we have been better off then, or are better off now.
Yes you are right in saying that certain things bring about pain to remember, just imagine to narrate to an unexpecting lover, but is it not also true that not knowing about them is not knowing your partner? And in a truthful and deep love relationship, can there be secrets? And when there are, can a true love story survive? Getting to know these facts from somebody else, what would you call that? A bullet hole in the heart? This is nothing personal, but I would want to know whom I am in love with, whatever it takes. I would want to know before it gets to a point of great hurt to seperate, but hiding from me such grave facts is like telling me she is Ursula Andress when she is just Jackie Smith. A completely different person whom I might not like. Some people don't mind getting involved with people with prison records, others do. Discovering such a thing by not being told about it, gives one a totally different impression of that person, which might not be acceptable. Nothing in this is of a personal nature or because I lack empathy. Those who know me, know otherwise.
As happens with modern art.....when it is uncertain if the artist himself understands what has been created. It is like experimenting with DNA and creating new monsters.....but since these monsters are unique, they are considered new creations or masterpieces like the trinosaurus rex.
Telling the truth is important at all times in a relationship.
If to the question "how many lovers did you have in the past" a woman answers "60", whether it be the truth or a lie, I would say no thank you. Not interested to be number 61. So maybe that is why women feel compelled to lie, because first they act, sometimes foolishly and without giving it much thought, then realise that their behaviour is unacceptable and have to cover for it. Same for women who have had babies who were given up for adoption, or those who had abortions, and who would never reveal that to anyone. The problem with these liars is that if I had to discover the truth, no matter how far I would be in a relationship, I would feel compelled to terminate the relationship, not for the occurrence, but for the dishonesty of lying, and for the dishonesty of being so secret about such an important happening. I am sure many will disagree with me, so please come forward those who do.
That is what I call "good attitude", but it is not the same with everybody. I think that every time a woman or man receives a phone call from somebody, or a text message, willingly or not willingly, that person is bound to think that somebody still remembers her or him. Which sets a process in the mind that asks a few questions like....he is still interested in me. Did I do right when I ended the relationship? If this relationship ends, I know where to go. But even if it does not induce these thoughts, it brings back the memory of that person with all the ups and downs of that past relationship. I don't believe that a relationship is ever over. The memory lingers on, and is easily enkindled even by a phone call or text message. Especially those moments of intense extasy, those will never die.
Good Lord, there are so many things that tell you when you're in love
like when you meet a woman and lose your apetite for food like when you lose sleep over her like when you feel very perturbed, but cannot figure out why like when you start forgetting everything like when you cannot think about anything except about her beautiful smile and her shapely legs like when you can't stand anybody looking at her or talking to her like when you can't wait to see her again like when just thinking of her does certain things to your dingaling!
If you knew 100% that her ex boyfriends were calling her and sms' ing her, would you call this distrust in your partner, or would you have a "right" to object for the person's secrecy and dishonesty, because this is what the thread is aiming to target??
You made a very important point here Jan. You said even if she did, she should not have said so.
Well many do not. But are they thinking the same things? The thread asked if a woman could really forget. What importance do these past experiences have on her present? Can she really free herself from these memories, and if she does, does this mean that her ex great loves are that easy to forget?
As I see it it is a double sided sword!! Very interesting topic. Hope more women join in to give their opinion.
Or when their phone rings, and they tell their boyfriend it was from their workplace, or when an ex sms's them, and they say it was their sister or mother. Or when they refuse to show their boyfriend their list of telephone numbers on their mobile? Need I say more? Is this honesty...is this helping their relationship?
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And where would you be sleeping if I slept on the floor......and started feeling cold??