LILLYLADY Forum Posts (1,293)

RE: a greenhouse for disabled vets

I think that this is a great idea but it is much too small of a grant. Where was this pilot project greenhouse planning on being set up? I think it has a great deal of merit and should be in many areas of the country. Why so small of a grant?

I thank every single vet alive and deceased from every war for giving his/her all so we here can walk free and proud and hold our heads up high. Some may think I'm a redneck to say this but I'll say it anyway: Thank you all.:thumbsup:

RE: Inside the Gaza Flottila..like you´ve never seen it before......

No, what war council clip?

RE: Inside the Gaza Flottila..like you´ve never seen it before......

Now that is really something. Nice singing. Even the Jihad Youth choir can't come close to touching this one.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Not meaning to be funny Ms Mira. It is not meant as any sort of joke or to make fun of you in anyway whatsoever. In reality, I don't think you take anything written here as a joke.

But if you sincerely feel that it is a joke and makes you feel happy to take it that way and laugh, then a bit of laughter for you should make you feel good inside. I that is the case for you, then I'm glad to have made your day a bit happier and brighter for you.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Ms Mira,

Perhaps I can explain your question regarding why some US presidents didn't have military training in the past and why there are leaders and fighters.

It is not mandatory in our country for a president to have been in the military. Senator John McCain who ran for president did have a strong military background but the citizens did not feel he was the best person for the post of president. Our presidents have much more responsibility here than just making military decisions. That is only 1 facet of a president's responsibilities.

No disrespect to you here ma'am but our leaders are elected by the citizens. Whether or not they've ever been in the military is not a factor as to their ability to lead our country and make military decisions. Every president, including presidents who have served in the military in the past....all have a council of military advisors to consult with during their term of office and they make their military decisions based on consulting with their military council.

We have had presidents who have served in the military. John F. Kennedy and even George Washington going back to the Revolutionary War were some of them. There are others too.

I hope that this explains a little bit better about presidents in this country. Some have been fighters on the battlefields and some have not. Being a soldier in the past does not make them necessarily more suitable for the job of president.

I do not know if in Saudi Arabia whether it is mandatory for your Saudi Crown Prince or leader to have served in the military as a requirement for being a leader of the country. Also, I do not know if the Saudi prince is elected by the citizens or is given the post due to the hierarchy of his family inheritance of your country's leadership.

No doubt you are much more astute on this knowledge with your leader's requirements than I am. But regarding the US, I am more astute with the military requirements of our presidents and leaders in general.

Hope this answers your question you posed without any animosity. I have noticed that you stated that "most" of your leaders fought in the military. So I'm gathering here that it is also not mandatory for your leaders to have been soldiers in the past either.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

If she has not been indoctrinated at a mosque, then she has been well indoctrinated at some sort of frequent meeting of some group throughout her teenage years. Her kind of vitriol comes from years of indoctrination.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Dream on Ray!! LMAO

RE: do you believe a black cat brings good luck or bad luck?

I got a 17 pound black male cat with shiny smooth silky fur. He's a real Wussie. My females rough him up a bit and he doesn't know how to fight back. Yeah, he's a real gentle soul and caterwaul's you to death begging for food when the food bowl is empty.

The only luck he has is that he can catch a mouse, mole, frog or bird and he leaves it at my doorstep as if he is appreciative and is earning his room, board and cat food. Yuckie!!

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Yes, I think the UN should send peacekeepers to occupy and totally disarm Israel, restore all the stolen territory to Palestine, and oversee Israeli reparations to Palestine for the decades of abuses.[/quote

I think it's about time the Palestinians pay the Israelis reparations for all lives lost to the suicide bombers and the Coastal Road bus murders and many of the car attacks on the Israeli civilians and shootings at the checkpoints. Also for the abductions and murders of the Israeli soldiers and the slaughter of the teenage boy who was riding a bicycle and abducted off a kibbutz. He was found under a rock dismembered.

Let's face it Ray, the Palestinians have enough money in support form Iran and Syria for smuggled weapons, then they have enough money to pay reparations to the families of the Jews slaughtered. It's about time they get disarmed and pay up.

RE: Why is NYC concerned about building a Mosque near hallowed ground of the deadly 911 attack?...

It shouldn't take precedence but at this point, I don't see any big push to rebuild the World Trade Center either. Yes, there has been some talk about building a smaller building but nothing has come of it. I think that NY would rather keep the area as hallowed ground as there is a 9/11 museum in the area. Families have donated much of the items that were given to them from their deceased love ones.

BTW, there is another Mosque thread here so you probably might not get to many responses as the subject has been put out for discussion on several of the middleast political threads at different points in time.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Maybe look closer in his hometown in Saudi Arabia.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Country?

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Now wasn't it awhile back that one of those Muslim countries attacked Saudi Arabia? Who defended Saudi Arabia? Who is the Saudi son who hides abroad? Maybe Osama? Send your group out to bring him in. Maybe lots of world troubles will be solved.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Iuchi,

Sir, the Gazan children are raised from childhood to kill the Jews. You don't have to worry that Israel killing 400+ is being used as a recruitment tool. The recruitment is from childhood on so it's already there. How do you try to change the minds of all these children who have been indoctrinated since childhood and now grow up with enough hate to finally go in and do their Jihad duty?

Surely you have seen the Palestinian Media Watch videos sir to validate what I am saying here. See the children in plays and running the training course with weapons and you will know that there is plenty of support for the cause. The recruitment starts very young.

What is very sad is that there are Gazans who do not buy into Hamas but yet have to suffer under the regime and their children are forcibly indoctrinated to kill.

Land swap is not a dealbreaker for this regime Iuchi.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Hey Iuchi, I see where Wowfactor is coming from. The UN forces on the Lebanon/Israeli border have not been able to stop the lobbing of rockets on Israel. Israel has had to fend for herself and this makes her look like the bullyboy as you say. No UN or any country went in and stopped 8000 rockets from Lebanon being shot into Israel before the Israeli incursion. And then you factor in the attacks from Gaza and then the tunnel into Israel with the abduction of Shalit and the murder of the other soldiers kidnapped. Israel had had enough restraint and finally wailed into Lebanon and Gaza.

Truthfully, every single truce that has been forced on Israel by the UN to stop Israel as they have gone over into Lebanon or Gaza has been broken by Hezbollah and Hamas first.

Let's face it now.....Land for peace with these 2 factions is not an option. They don't want peace but annihilation of the Jews. Hamas is supported by Syria and Iran who have vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. You cannot give land for peace with the Hamas or Hezbollah facations or else they would have honored the truce agreements that they even signed. They have always been the FIRST to break the truces and lob rockets right back into Israel. No UN force can stop them so far.

I don't see any country in this world, incl the US that has ever sent troops into Israel to combat the terrorists that infiltrated over the years.... not ever when Israel was attacked during the 1967 or even the 1972 war. Everyone stayed out and no one gave a darn whether Israel would have been anihilated back then.

So if Israel is the bad boy and push out all those that vow to destroy her, then so be it. I believe that if Israel goes into a country that is attacking her, then it should be their right to take over that land and use it as a bargaining chip for peace. It would be more of an incentive for the govt of that country to rein in those that want to sabotage a peace process. Simple as, "If they don't rein in their people that keep attacking Israel, then they don't get back their land."

Land swap may have worked for Egyp, but it won't work with Hamas or Hezbollah based on the Hamas charter and the countries that give financial and weaponry support to these known terrorist organizations.

I believe this is the point that Wowfactor is trying to say why the landswap deal won't work.

Being the bully of the middleast as you say Israel is won't make any difference. She is damned by those who vow to destroy her no matter what sir. If she gets soft on those who vow to destroy her, she will be destroyed and no country in this world will send in troops to stop the slaughter.

RE: lOSING A PARTNER

Yes, I believe you did jump to conclusions Ms Cougar. This guy is no scammer. He did not offer or ask for anyone's private yahoo or email address in his forum. He did not discuss how he is widowed,with child, God fearing and alot of other crap they write. This is the common style of scammers. 9 letters in the last 3 days from scammers has put me in quite a mood lately to change my profile to reach out to them specifically since they have been coming on strong lately.

However, this man is in a grieving state and is seeking online support from people only. Nothing more than that. Is it too difficult for you to give him some emotional support with an apology for your words? Is it not obvious that the Broken Hearts forum can be used for more than just relationship breakups? He is not the first to utilize this forum for emotional support for the death of someone. It has also been utilized by members who had contemplated suicide and needed people to talk them thru their bad emotional time.

I used this forum while I was in grieving as a result of my next door neighbor's trailer burning down to the ground mysteriously in the middle of the night during a snowstorm. She burned up alive with her 2 week old newborn grandchild. Her son is still greiving and goes for mental help and feels suicidal.I knew the family for 21 yrs now I was haunted by the thought of her burned up charcoal black.

Have some compassion in your heart for others and do apologize to this man during the worst moments of his life right now and help him get thru this time. It is the most compassionate thing you can do for another human being.

RE: This needs no reply's

I am very sorry for your loss Northof7. Last year in August, I buried my sweet cousin who died totally unexpectedly. I was in grief for quite awhile. I was not the executor of her estate but I was the Power of Attorney for Health Care decisions.

The hardest for me was to tell the doctors not to do anything heroic for her and to let her complete her journey. She had a double brain hemmorhage and stroke and was literally a vegetable on life support for 4 days before passing.That was the toughest moment of my life to make the life and death decision. I have no regrets as I knew my cousin's wishes. She was a vibrant, elegant, beautifu woman who turned the head of any guy that saw her. She was a total knockout in beauty and personality.

Time will heal your pain but you will always have pleasant memories of your loved one to carry with you thru life.

Vonney, I am also very sad for your loss. What I said about time I think is so true. It's meant for both of you with your losses.

RE: Why cant people hold their knife and fork properly?

I hold my knife and fork in the opposite hand of most people in the US. I've been told that I hold utensils like the Europeans. I hold my fork in my right hand and cut with my knife in my left hand. To try to switch and hold my knife in my right hand and fork in left hand is impossible for me. I literally cannot hold my knife in my right hand nor my fork in my left and try to cut my food. The utensils literally fall right out of my hands as there is no strength cutting that way but yet switch hands to the first way I mentioned and there is full grip strength.

I've tried over and over throughout my life to try to hold and cut with utensils like most Americans but with absolutely no success. Very strange indeed. And yet I am strongly right handed.

Wonder if anyone else has this same problem? Am I alone?

RE: Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe

I wrote a thanks to Stress just in case he was reading my posting to Diogenes.

RE: Stephen Hawking: God did not create Universe

I don't doubt one bit that the pointer levitated Diogenes. Many years ago, I had a pointer move across the board while I also had my hand down on it. I was not moving it. Scared the heck out of me. Hadn't played with a Ouija Board since.

In relation to whether or not there is a God that created everything or the Big Bang Theory as the proof of creation, that is up to each individual to decide. And for those who don't believe in God nor the Big Bang Theory, then what occurred to build this planet just perfect to sustain life of all creatures that somehow managed to be created or evolve into what we have found extinct in rock formations and what is alive today?

And in relation to what people see, some people don't believe in ghosts or spirits because they have no seen them or felt their presence while others believe because they have seen or felt their presence. And so it is the same with creation.... either being designed by God for those who feel a communication with what they perceive as God vs those who feel a communication more with nature or what they perceive different theories of how the world and life evolved.

All views are right as they are unique to each individual.
BTW, excellent topic Stress. I can always count on you to come up with something very thought provoking. Love your topics.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Now Silverbirch, don't forget this part that was listed in an article on CBS today. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Underscoring the talks' fragility, gunmen from the militant Palestinian Hamas movement killed four Israeli residents of a West Bank settlement on Tuesday. And, on Wednesday, hours before the leaders ate dinner at the White House, Hamas gunmen wounded two Israelis as they drove in their car in another part of the West Bank.

Hamas rejected the talks and stepped up its rhetoric as the ceremony in Washington began.

"These talks are not legitimate because the Palestinian people did not give any mandate to Mahmoud Abbas and his team to negotiate on behalf of our people," said Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman. "Therefore, any result and outcome of these talks does not commit us and does not commit our people, it only commits Abbas himself."

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

OK, understood!!

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Who makes fun of peace Strict? Pls explain.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Ms. Beesh,

Please refer to the following website of the stories of the IDF soldiers who were in the battle zones. Perhaps you may want to rethink about Hezbollah after hearing their stories? You will hear what these soldiers were up against as they come up on the civilian populations. Open your eyes as to what they do to their own people. Sadly, life is cheap and exploitable to them for sure.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Alberta,

Osama and his cronies really do not care about the Lebaneese. They only care to find an excuse for a reason to rally against the U.S. and Israeli citizens. Just another reason to get their followers brainwashed to work as henchmen to do the dirtywork. Life is cheap and expendable to Osama and his followers for sure.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

In regards to Qana, Lebanon:

Response by Al-Qaeda associated individuals
The deaths of civilians at Qana have been cited by Al-Qaeda as motivations for its actions and policies towards the United States of America.

Osama bin Laden
In his August 23, 1996, declaration of jihad against the United States, Osama bin Laden wrote; "Your blood has been spilt in Palestine and Iraq, and the horrific image of the massacre in Qana in Lebanon are still fresh in people’s minds." In November 1996, he told the Australian journal Nida'ul Islam about Qana again, saying that when the United States government accuses terrorists of killing innocents it is "accusing others of their own afflictions in order to fool the masses."

Speaking to Tayssir Alouni of Al Jazeera on October 20, 2001, bin Laden cited Qana again even as he declared, "if killing those that kill our sons is terrorism, then let history witness that we are terrorists," and referring to a "balance of terror" between Muslims and the United States

Muhammad Atta, who later is alleged to be the mastermind of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon wrote his martyrdom will on April 18, 1996, the day of the Qana bombings which Muhammad Atta watched from this dorm room in Germany. The connection between the Qana bombings and Muhammad Atta's motivation towards martyrdom has been described by David W. Lesch and Robert Fisk.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Beesh,

I'm not doubting that in 2006, civilians didn't get enough warning. Civilians on both sides of the fence didn't get warnings at that time. Hezbollah warn Israeli citizens of an imminent attack on their settlements or cities? Hezbollah is a strong component of the Lebaneese govt and has almost taken over full control as there is friction between the govt and Hezbollah. It is them who have destroyed your MONTE CARLO and turned Lebanon into a 3rd world country as you say. If they didn't want their Monte Carlo ruined, they would not keep firing on Israel. Do you expect the Israelis just to sit back and allow the unprovoked continuous rocket attacks on their civilians right out of Lebanon? At some point, you can better believe Israel says, "enough is enough".

But let's fast forward a few years to now. Now for the fact that the Palestinian civilians do get warned by the Israelis, how do you reconcile ma'am that the Israelis do not get warned when their civilains are attacked? That is the point I'm trying to make. There is no warning from Hezbollah or even Hamas when these rockets and mortar are fired into civilian areas. That is the reason for the air raid sirens in Israel and the UN being up on the Lebanon border even. And even they cannot stop the unannounced rockets being fired, even when the IDF did tree pruning on their own side of the fence. Who was the aggressor in that attack, huh? Can you bring back the life of the Thai man who was working in an Israeli greenhouse when an unannounced rocket blew him apart? This type of attacks are not aimed at IDF soldiers but at unarmed civilians.

As for electricity in Gaza, Hamas has been well known for shutting down the electric to their citizens and steal supplies from the UN warehouse even to suit themselves. Please do note that. If the Hamas regime were truly interested in bettering their peoples lives, they would stop the attacks on Israel. They have no intention of bettering their people's lives as many raise their children to be suicide bombers as you may well be aware of. Have you ever watched the Palestine Media Watch videos of the children training to be suicide bombers? These bombers when grown up go into Israeli shopping districts,restaurants, discoteques and more and target civilians...not soldiers. There is no justification for Hamas behaviors to Jews except in their mind to slaughter every Jew as is in their twisted version of the Koran and their own charter.

Take a much closer look at the Hamas charter and read it in detail. Only then you may understand why Israel has to fight back so hard. And when you mix Iran and Syria in supplying the weapons and rockets to Gaza, you possibly would get a better understanding of the magnitude of the situation. If for just a moment you were the Jew on the other side of the fence with these people as your neighbor and have no idea when they would strike, would you stay quiet as you get bombed and not fight back?

I'm sure that Albertaghost can fill you in a bit more on the history of the middleast area or you can go back on some of the other forums where he very clearly identified Palestinian issues where fellow Muslim countries even refused to accept them. Egypt and Jordan don't want anything to do with them.

In conclusion, if you're not going to stop until the aggressors are put in their place as you say, point your finger at those that kill Jews in the name of Allah and at least do have the courage to put up your picture and not hide behind a CS rendered caricature.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Hi Beesh,

Death is not a pleasant thing to see whatsoever.I have some things written below that I only want you to think on but not answer me specifically unless you would want to. This is not meant to attack you or discredit you in anyway whatsoever on the horrible things you have witnessed as that experience for you is so very painful in your memory no doubt.

So here is what I ask of you to just think on Beeseh. Would you have felt the same if you were there to see the bodies of the recent massacre of the Jews who were bullet riddled, one being a pregnant woman? Would you have also felt angry at the perpetrators who did this? What would you have felt about the conjugation of the nationality that perpetuated this crime as no doubt people would be yelling for justice...a war crime of sorts as this is done as collective punishment towards any Jew for just being a Jew?

These are perplexing questions indeed as there are good and bad people on both sides of the separation fence over there. It was not enough just to shoot the Jews but to come right up to the vehicle after it had stopped and reshoot them more until they were mutilated with the bullets. Shooting innocent unarmed civilians just because they are Jews. (Reminded me of the 1960s Asbury Park, New Jersey riots that I personally witnessed on a day I had just gotten off of work from a business within a few hundred feet from the riot. We couldn't leave work fearing for our safety. The blacks attacked an innocent white family who happened to be lost and driving through the area. They broke their windshield, rocked the car, injured the family as blood was splattered, yelled racial epithets and tried to kill the family. The police used tear gas and clubs to break up the riot. I was only 17 yrs old witnessing this).

In conclusion, you mention that at least the Israelis let the Palestinians know locations they are going to be firing at and warn the civilians now (UN rules in effect). But yet, there is no warning to the civilians in Israel when the rockets and mortar are fired onto the kibbutzes or nearby towns or when an innocent Jewish civilian is going to be gunned down just driving on the road. The rules of UN warfare do not seem to apply to the Palestinians as the UN has not squawked about these incidents nor mandated that they have to announce to the Israelis where they are going to be firing at when it comes to firing at civilian populations. It's a one sided mandate for the IDF only. I can understand why Conrad calls them the "Untied Nations".

For your information, I happened to live on a kibbutz at one point in my life that was fired upon on occassion. The sirens would go off and we went to underground shelters. The high barbed wire fence down the road by our fruit orchards was patrolled 24 hrs. We had high watch towers surrounding us with soldiers with spot lights that watched the border. Daily the jets would fly back and forth into Lebanon and we would see their planes fly back into Israel. I also had met survivors of the 1972 Lod Airport bombing, difigured mentally and physically for life.

You are not alone in your memories of things you witnessed and rightfully take to heart..... neither is anyone on this site who has ever served in any combat mission in life and witnessed brutalities too barbaric to even mention.

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

OK,let's do the math SB. Since you are going backwards in time and counting 1400, then I will go backyards and count the 6 million. Still want to play the numbers game SB?

Now if you compare the numbers of Palestinians murdered at the same time as the Holocaust occured and bring it up to today's date, it would not even come close to 6 million Jews and that isn't even counting all the Jews slaughtered worldwide up to today's date.

The point I'm making here is to quit playing the numbers game card already as that is the point that you keep putting forwards in your forums as the unfair edge in war. Surely you have the education to go beyond just numbers or perhaps you don't

RE: United Nations Peace Keepers in Gaza

Hello....hello...hello....hello....hello!! You missed the point entirely of why I posted this slaughter. You are obsessed with numbers of people killed and so you always point that out as to why you think it is so unfair.

The point of the article isn't numbers of people killed as you always perceive, but the fact they were killed strictly because they were JEWS. Just like the JEWS in the Chabad settlement of Mumbai and like Jews of the Holocaust, the Pogroms of Russia/Poland and beyond in history. KILLED FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THEIR BEING JEWS!!! Perhaps you missed this line in the newspaper article, "It’s been a long time since I’ve seen four bodies on the street, murdered by Arabs only because they are Jews, living in Israel."

BTW, the reason I don't post all other incidents of Jewish slaughters is that you have already seen the extensive lists in the other Gaza forums as educaated to you by Conrad, Alberta, myself, ttom. You must have a short memory. So if you feel so inclined to want to see them, go back to those forums and read for yourself.

You cannot seem to get beyond the flotilla or Operation Cast Lead playing the number card in your soap opera lines. The world has proceeded beyond that at this time. So should you!! The article I just posted is the latest of incidents of outright brutal murder of unarmed Jews driving home to their families. Murdered in cold blood.... just for being Jews.....and for no other reason. The number of people brutally gunned down is inconsequential compared to the brutality of how it was done but newspapers always list the numbers dead.