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RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

I also read an article that states that it may be a rock formation. But then again, it is a rather odd rock formation broken in 1/2, sticking out of a glacier. Even the measurements are correct for the size of the ark. Here is an article I just found. Guess we won't know for sure until lots more testing is done. I eager to find out.

Virginia Man to Search for Noah's Ark in Turkey
Monday, February 02, 2009


"That seems almost like a fairy story," said archaeologist Randall Price, who is director of Liberty University's new Center for Judaic Studies. "But we believe it was an actual event."

This summer Price, 57, plans to continue on a journey to prove just that as he joins an expedition to Mount Ararat. His team believes that it is there, in Eastern Turkey, where Noah's Ark remains preserved underneath layers of rubble and ice.

He pointed to Genesis 8:4, which states, "and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat," in The New International Version of the Bible..

Retired Continental Airlines Pilot Richard Bright, 64, has visited Turkey more than 30 times over the past 25 years in search of the vessel.

"We've received many leads over the years, dating back into antiquity," he said. "We've had so many reports over the years, and they talk about the same mountain."

Last fall, a new tip peaked both his and Price's interest.

A Kurdish shepherd told them that he had seen the ark, and even climbed on top of it, when he was a boy.

The team hypothesizes that the ark is preserved in several pieces beneath a glacier on the mountain, and every so often the glacier recedes, exposing part of the vessel.

"That's when he saw it as a boy," Price said, adding that they had interviewed the shepherd and could find no reason to distrust him.

The shepherd asked for nothing in return, and agreed to lead Bright to the site where he said he had seen the ark.

Bright first climbed to the site in September. Then a team including Price, the shepherd, a mountaineer and several others made a follow-up ascent to 15,000 feet later the same month.

They found the spot, Price said, but it now is covered by an estimated 60-foot-deep pile of boulders. Price believes the landslide may have resulted from attacks against Kurdish rebels on the mountain, or perhaps from explosives that were set off to cover up the ark.

But his team has negotiated with government and military authorities and gained access to work at the site starting this spring, Price said.

That's when the team of archaeologists, geologists, explorers and other volunteers plan to start removing boulders.

By summertime, they hope to reach the glacier and use ice-melting equipment to access what they believe is preserved beneath. If a structure is found, they plan to take samples to have analyzed and dated..

"We intend to, God willing, find enough of it to at least show that we have an ancient structure," he said. "If we find a great big structure up there that fits the dimensions, and if there are compartments in there, and it's ancient What else could it be, way up there, thousands of feet in the air?

"Keep your ear to the road, so to speak, this summer," he said. "Because there will be discovery. The only thing that's holding us back is to finance the machinery that we need."

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

Croatalus, yes, the term missing link is an outdated terminology but much has been found since the 1920's. It certainly is not impossible that either the "missing human link" or a distant cousin to humans and chimpanzees has been found according to what I presented in the article.

Quote, "Sahelanthropus tchadensis, found in 2001 and 2002, threw everyone for a loop because it walked upright 7 million years ago on two feet but is quite chimp-like in its skull size, teeth, brow ridges and face.

It could be a common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees, but many paleoanthropologists will remain unsure until more fossils are found. Previously, the earliest ancestor of our Homo genus found in the fossil record dated back 6 million years.

Also, if you do not think it is an ark which the explorers have seen and what the satellite imagery have shown that is high up on the mountain in Turkey, just what do you think it could be that is way up there shaped like some sort of boaat? The wood used is extremely ancient up there according to the documentary. It is now broken in 1/2 and has slid somewhat down the mountain. I have the documentary video that was produced of the find and shown on television. I believe that it was first sited around the turn of the century or during WW1.
Geological history shows that much of the world was under water at some time or another. Continents were more attached and divided apart eventually. Why would you think it would it be unreasonable to have some sort of skeletal remains of some sort of ship high up on a mountain?
This documentary is not by some banker.
As for the Ark of the Covenant, it is not impossible either that it is in Jerusalem under the temple. Also, the ethiopean jews showed people where they have felt the ark of the covenant was in Ethiopia. There is a very religious Jewish sect in Israel that goes into the temple tunnels and takes care of what they believe the Ark of the Covenant is. A friend of mine just came back from Israel and told me about it. Perhaps that is the site the banker in your posting was speaking about.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

I posted the article regarding Darwin and evolution. I found it rather interesting when it talks about the "missing link" of various species of creatures. But hasn't found the one for man yet.
I also happen to believe in the Old Testament as there have been archaeological finds that correlate with it. I am very curious to hear about more archaeology research on the ark that is sitting on the Turkish side way high up in a mountain. If that is indeed the remains of Noah's Ark, wow is all I could say. Several different cultures have a version of the flood story.
In my opinion, evolution and biblical history both have many truths. Afterall, the cradle of civilization began in the middleast and parts of Africa. The debate would be over in my opinion.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

-- The Dimetrodon was a big predatory reptile with a tail and a large sail or fin-back. It is often mistaken for a dinosaur, but it's actually part of our mammalian lineage and more closely related to mammals than reptiles, which is seen in its specialized teeth for stabbing meat and skull features that only mammals and their ancestors had. It probably moved around like a lizard and had a jawbone made of multiple bones, like a reptile.

Dinosaurs and birds

-- The classic fossil of Archaeopteryx, sometimes called the first bird, has a wishbone (fully fused clavicle) which is only found in modern birds and some dinosaurs. But it also shows impressions from feathers on its body, as seen on many of the theropod dinosaurs from which it evolved.

Its body, capable of flight or gliding, also had many of dinosaur features — teeth (no birds alive today have teeth), a long bony tail (tails on modern birds are entirely feathers, not bony), long hind legs and toes, and a specialized hand with long bony fingers (unlike modern bird wings in which the fingers are fused into a single element), Prothero said.

-- Sinornis was a bird that also has long bony fingers and teeth, like those seen in dinosaurs and not seen in modern birds.

-- Yinlong is a small bipedal dinosaur which shares features with two groups of dinosaurs known to many kids — ceratopsians, the beaked dinosaurs like Triceratops, and pachycephalosaurs, known for having a thick dome of bone in their skulls protecting their brains. Yinlong has the thick rostral bone that is otherwise unique to ceratopsians dinosaurs, and the thick skull roof found in the pachycephalosaurs.

-- Anchisaurus is a primitive sauropod dinosaur that has a lot of lizard-like features. It was only 8 feet long (the classic sauropods later on could be more than 100-feet long), had a short neck (sauropods are known for their long necks, while lizards are not), and delicate limbs and feet, unlike dinosaurs. Its spine was like that of a sauropod.

The early sauropods were bipedal, while the latter were stood on all fours. Anchisaurus was probably capable of both stances, Prothero wrote.

Fish, frogs, reptiles

-- Tiktaalik, aka the fishibian or the fishapod, is a large scaled fish that shows a perfect transition between fins and feet, aquatic and land animals.

It had fish-like scales, as well as fish-like fin rays and jaw and mouth elements, but it had a shortened skull roof and mobile neck to catch prey, an ear that could hear in both land and water, and a wrist joint that is like those seen in land animals.

-- Last year, scientists announced the discovery of Gerobatrachus hottorni, aka the frogamander. Technically, it's a toothed amphibian, but it shows the common origins of frogs and salamanders, scientists say, with a wide skull and large ear drum (like frogs) and two fused ankle bones as seen in salamanders.

-- A turtle on the way to becoming a turtle, Odontochelys semistestacea, swam around in China's coastal waters 200 million years ago. It had a belly shell, but its back was basically bare of armor. Odontochelys had an elongated, pointed snout. Most modern turtles have short snouts.

In addition, the roof of its mouth, along with the upper and lower jaws, was equipped with teeth, which the researchers said is a primitive feature for turtles whose mugs are now tipped with beaks but contain no teeth.

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RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

Links' Reveal Truth About Evolution
Thursday, February 12, 2009
By Robin Lloyd


Tiktaalik, an intermediate form between fish and amphibians that lived 375 million years ago.
With the 200th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin this week, people around the world are celebrating his role as the father of evolutionary theory.

One frequently cited "hole" in the theory: Creationists claim there are no transitional fossils, aka "missing links."

Biologists and paleontologists, among others, know this claim is false.

• Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Evolution & Paleontology Center.

As key evidence for evolution and species' gradual change over time, transitional creatures should resemble intermediate species, having skeletal and other body features in common with two distinct groups of animals, such as reptiles and mammals, or fish and amphibians.

These animals sound wild, but the fossil record — which is far from complete — is full of them nonetheless, as documented by Occidental College geologist Donald Prothero in his book "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters" (Columbia University Press, 2007).

Prothero discussed those fossils last month at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, along with transitional fossils that were announced since the book was published, including the "fishibian" and the "frogamander."

At least hundreds, possibly thousands, of transitional fossils have been found so far by researchers. The exact count is unclear because some lineages of organisms are continuously evolving.

Here is a short list of transitional fossils documented by Prothero and that add to the mountain of evidence for Charles Darwin's theory.

A lot of us relate most to fossils of life closely related to humans, so the list focuses on mammals and other vertebrates, including dinosaurs.

All the hominid fossils found to date form a complex nexus of specimens, Prothero says, but Sahelanthropus tchadensis, found in 2001 and 2002, threw everyone for a loop because it walked upright 7 million years ago on two feet but is quite chimp-like in its skull size, teeth, brow ridges and face.

It could be a common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees, but many paleoanthropologists will remain unsure until more fossils are found. Previously, the earliest ancestor of our Homo genus found in the fossil record dated back 6 million years.

-- Most fossil giraffes have short necks and today's have long necks, but anatomist Nikos Solounias of the New York Institute of Technology's New York College of Osteopathic Medicine is preparing a description of a giraffe fossil, Bohlinia, with a neck that is intermediate in length.

-- Manatees, also called sea cows, are marine mammals that have flippers and a down-turned snout for grazing in warm shallow waters.

In 2001, scientists discovered the fossil of a "walking manatee," Pezosiren portelli, which had feet rather than flippers and walked on land during the Eocene epoch (54.8 million years ago to 33.7 million years ago) in what is now Jamaica.

Along with skull features like manatees (such as horizontal tooth replacement, like a conveyor belt), it also had heavy ribs for ballast, showing that it also had an aquatic lifestyle, like hippos.

-- Scientists know that mastodons, mammoths and elephants all share a common ancestor, but it gets hard to tell apart some of the earliest members of this group, called proboscideans, going back to fossils from the Oligocene epoch (33.7 million years ago to 23.8 million years ago).

The primitive members of this group can be traced back to what Prothero calls "the ultimate transitional fossil," Moeritherium, from the late Eocene of Egypt.

It looked more like a small hippo than an elephant and probably lacked a long trunk, but it had short upper and lower tusks, the teeth of a primitive mastodon and ear features found only in other proboscideans.

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RE: Never lie to your mother

This is a very good one.

RE: Curtain Rods!

Perhaps the ex-wife will give her ex-husband a call at his new house too and perhaps make him an offer to take that house off his hands?
What a great idea to start investing in real estate rather cheaply.

RE: Mens Rules!

This is all so very, very true when it comes to men. I love it. You really know how to state it very well. Keep up with these great posts.

RE: Telepathy

I've experienced it many times. I knew the moment my neice was born, when my brother got pain relief when he was rushed to a hospital emergency room and even the moment when a beloved dog was put to sleep at a veterinarian's office. I was in the next room when that occurred.
Also use that 6th sense quite a bit in making nursing judgements in life and death situations.
I have never been wrong when I listened to that 6th sense. The telepathy feels like a sudden thought that plays over and over in the mind or a tugging feeling from within.
The mind connection is really there, even from 1000s of miles apart from somone when someone is strongly thinking of you at that moment.

RE: I've Decided There Isn't A God - What Next? (Dear Ambrose :D)

Not an atheist God, but monotheist God.

RE: Move Israel to the USA

I think he was referring to HF's posting of the video as the kook is the speaker. Everything sounds kookie to me at this hour of night anyway since I'm so sleepy. It was fun being up with all of you and having a great laugh for the evening. I'll say g'nite to everyone again and shut down now for the evening.

RE: Move Israel to the USA

A turf war with the Mexicans Rusty? Do you realize what you are saying? This means that the Hamas supporters will now be strapping bombs to themselves and greeting the drug lords?
States a Mexican citizen de los avenues chiquita....."they will take over our land, our drugs, our women and we will be homeless. Our economy will be in ruins. They will fire their rockets on our people during our midday siestas. I petition our government to send them back to the U.S."

RE: East Coast Snow Storm

Kid, you're too spoiled!!

RE: Move Israel to the USA

How about moving Gaza to the U.S.A.? In Florida, they could fire rockets at the alligators, in Texas and the Southwest they could be hired as border patrol guards to keep the illegal immigrants out. Just dig tunnels and hide their rockets and blast the illegals wherever they are sneaking over the fence. The east coast and midwest are not an option...too many Jews to come face to face with. California is not an option..the earthquakes would scare them off. The Canadian border in the west might be an option if they don't try to ride the moose, mistaking them for a camel. Just kiddin everyone, I'm getting a bit tired at this late hour.

RE: Or maybe I am wrong and they are up there looking down on us?

I don't think it's wrong to tell a child that his loved one is watching out over him. My aunt(father's sister)while on her deathbed told my teenage son and I that my father would guide me as well as my son in all my decisions in life. She said that my dad was in the room with my mother standing by her bedside. And he was talking to my aunt and asking her to give us this message. Also told my aunt it was not my choice to become a nurse....it was his and he led me to this field because he was grateful for the 4 extra months of life that I gave him caring for his medical needs after mom died.
At 99 yrs old when she died, my aunt had no dementia or alzheimers disease either. Her heart literally wore out.
Since that conversation, my 19 yr old son has gone on to heating ventialation air condition training(HVAC)which was my father's field. My dad died in the 1960s. My aunt died in 2005.
I do not doubt for one moment that the spirits of the deceased watch over us and even guide us. Sometimes, they move something, leave a familiar scent or an object or even save our life in certain situations. My aunt leaves pennies when there is a medical issue that I need to get addressed.

RE: War against Christian

Yes, we had homeroom too first thing in the morning. At the high school level, there was no prayer time or meditation time. This was high school from 1968-71, the time of Vietnam protests, marches, hippies and Woodstock. The time I was referring to probably more into the 1950-60s.
I don't see anything wrong with silent meditation or whether someone wants to cross themselves silently or mouth a silent "amen." Why can't an atheist or agnostic have a moment of silence to ponder about their personal life goals tht day? There should be nothing blurry or not fair to all students when a minute of silence is given equally for all? And I see nothing at all in making a minute of mandatory silence for all students in the morning to gather their thoughts together for the day.

RE: War against Christian

Perhaps it would be better to give students a minute of meditation. To meditate on whatever they want or say a silent prayer. It's kinda like slowing down for a moment and taking a pause to take a deep breath before you jump into doing some type of a project.
Don't most of us take a moment to plan our day or are we all just running willy nilly helter skelter from one place to another with no set schedule or plan of action? Well, perhaps some people run willy nilly everyday or occassionally.

RE: WHAT SHOULD AMERICA CLOSE 1ST TO SAVE MONEY?

What about all the stores of the colonels finger lickin' good KFCs?(Kentucy Fried Chicken) KFC is an American icon and as beloved as good ole mom's apple pie over here in the states.
It would be a dastardly thing to happen if they were to close their doors forever.

RE: East Coast Snow Storm

Gee, just got home from work at 5am last night in a snow squall and brutal cold winds. Couldn't even see the highway in front of me. I think it was at least 0 or below. And late today, there was more snow squalls. Nothing heavy enough to stick much to the ground though.
Cold enough that when my male housecat sneaked out when I came in tonight, he came running back on the porch within a minute and was meowing loudly at my door to come in. Now that's cold when the cat doesn't want to be out.

RE: War against Christian

I believe you are correct. "Under God" was added in 1954. Although it is still in use today, I see it is being challenged by some lawsuits but as of now, it is still acceptable in it's current form. Nothing has permanently changed yet.
But in hindsight, if someone wanted to say the pledge without the words "under god", then I see no reason why they couldn't say it that way.
From something I just googled, I read that the term "under God" as in Lincoln's Gettysburg Address actually referred to a common everyday phrase of "God be willing." As in, "God be willing, we'll be able to meet again."
Thank you for bringing up the "under God" explanation.

RE: War against Christian

I believe the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance states that we are "one nation under God."
I do not know that it means that we are a Christian nation but I would say that a majority of the American population is made up of a variety of Christian denominations. If the Majority is what determines that we are a Christian nation, then if that is the determining factor, then we are.
As far as the idea of religious prayer in school, this is my view. As kids we were forced to stay silent or join in on Christian or Catholic prayers first thing in the morning with announcements and also sing around the Christmas tree and if we wanted to, we could act in Christmas plays and sing Christmas carols in school. This was public school in the 1950s-60s. In the 1990's-early 2000s, the schools had field trips for the kids to go Christmas caroling around town and also had the Christmas plays in school. My son was in school at that time.
This was offensive to Jews, Bhai's, Hindus, Jehovah's Witness, Muslims and atheists. No matter how much complaining to the school board went on every year...nothing changed. Christmas celebration ruled.
As for school prayers...I am all for a minute of silence in the morning where each child can pray or reflect silently on their day or life without intruding on their fellow student. I've done that and it's definitely not offensive to fellow students. Everyone has the right to their silent thoughts. Besides, it gives the students a minute to slow down in their morning scurryings about.

RE: East Coast Snow Storm

Blame this all on Drewski He's in control of that dastardly Alberta Clipper machine. He directs it to send the bitter cold temps, high winds and heavy snow to us Buckeyes. He is very gracious and generous with it too. He doesn't want any of us to suffer a drought this year.
He just sent us 18-24" of the white stuff several weeks back and even more since. This also bolsters the insurance companies bankrolls a bit. Afterall, it's another excuse to keep raising everyone's rates, whether you have a claim in or not. Keeps city and private plow drivers working, utility repair people working, auto body shops in business, and definitely home repair businesses booming with work and selling of supplies. Some storms are good for the economy in general but bad for the people who have to sustain the damage.
Sorry to hear though that your chicken coup suffered damage. Can't blame the chickens for not coming out of the chicken coup though. Now why would they want to step their claws into a cold blanket of snow?

RE: Paul Harvey..................good day.....

Great quote and commercial. Paul Harvey personifies the American country everyday guy. And that my friends.....is the rest of the story.

RE: What Would You Take?

Bible

Pictures of your children and those you love

A gun

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

There was also book(also a movie) based on the story of an American caucasian woman going to live in Iran because her middleastern husband kidnapped and took their child there? And then he convinced her to move there and live with his family so she would be near her child? She went there and she had a very difficult time getting out of the country with her child. His family was hostile to her and as a woman, she had almost no rights at all. I believe the country in the movie was Iran but it may have been another muslim country. I don't recall exactly. Do you recall the name of the book or movie?

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

Will this make him go blind?

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

I'm with you all the way in agreeance with this one Hugz

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

Hugz,

Perhaps she is setting a precedent for women's rights under Islamic law. In some countries, Islamic law may not favor a woman's rights. But in such a horrific case such as this, perhaps there will be exceptions when the courts will more often add extenuating circumstance decisions and allow the woman to choose the the penalty to be given the perpetrator for the crime committed against her.

And better yet, allow her to mete out the punishment if she is physically or emotionally able to.
I would think that perhaps when these abusive men learn soon enough that the courts will allow a woman to mete out the punishment against them, this may serve as a deterrent to future attacks.

One might say, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned with the force of the court of law behind her."

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

Nick,

I saw the "before" picture of the woman on CNN. She was absolutely stunningly gorgeous with beautiful eyes. He took more than just her eyes from her.

Iranian Woman Loses Eyes To Acid Attack...Is an Eye for an Eye the right form of justice?

Nick,

So you think the acid the guy gets should be done to him in a surprise attack or rather just a slow "drip, drip, drip" with no sedation?