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RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

CS has been taken over by the Teapublicans? Were? I missed them? I missed that influx of brothern conservatives into CS? No.........I
think that the CSer that have been here are moving to the right.

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Saying NO is about love to Dude. Your child goes the hot stove and is about to place his/her hand on the burner. You say "NO". You stop the child from hurting themselves.

Just look at the debt ceiling as the American People saying "NO" to President Obama.

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We have done NASA and now we have done the debt crisis and gold price hike.

Time to do Corporate aviation. Why has President Obama made corporate aviation his pet industry to pick on? Why not the Air Carrier, that justbumped their price by 7.5% after a 7.5% FED tax was rescinded? These are the companies that are staying on the tarmac for hours with passengers slowly staving and dieing of thrist.

These are the same companies that are flying convertibles. Were their maintenance miss repairing cabins that decompress with 6 foot section missing. These are the firms that are have bagag crew running drugs into the country.

Yet it is corporate aviation that the President finds to be his personal whipping boy. Did he not buy five G-Ys for DEM freinds after the election?

-Corporate aviation uses many of the reliever and local airports that carrier don't fly to. So they add to the airport crowding.

-Corporate aviation employee 1000s in well paying job in production, maintenance and flying jobs.

-Corporate aviation is a the business were former military pilots and maintenance staff can work in after military careers.

So I give you the Bob Hoover Story.

http://www,aircraftowner.com/videos/view/the-bob-hoover-project-teaser-trailer.2532.html

I specially like the part were a young Bob Hoover escaped from a German POW camp to steal a German fighter in a escape try. All the flying at the end is Hoover doing his aerobatic routine in UASF Sabre, in a Cessna Citiation, in a Rockell Aero Commander. If we don't push the envelope, we don't know what it will stretch too. Hoover pushes the envelope!

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

But we are broke.......

LOL...............this a photo of the Gold vault in Fort Knox......taken on November 2009.

Many of vaults in the US Fed Treasury have been over filled with gold and silver. Hoarding from Obama crisis politics are causing the
vaults of the country to over flow.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I give you the Tea Party petition to keep Congress from raising the debt ceiling limit unless significant budget cuts are made.



Herman Cain for President in 2012

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

So why did Obama lie to us about the financial situation of the country Sky? He had billions in gold and silver deposits in the FED. Maybe even trillions.

Are those billions in unused and unaccounted gold and silver taking care of anyones brother, Sky?

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does that not just go to confirm my crisis/gold theory Skybold?

American people have had crisis, after crisis, after crisis. But look were the origins of them come from? Those mentioned earlier were mostly WH made.

Party hardy or don't party at all!

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What do American see in the REP and Tea Party? A granmother waving American flags and having cap with Tea bags on it? Hold a sign to take back her country at the polling place.

What you want Americans to see is a grandmother holding a revolutionary musket with a banoyet stepping on the throat of illegal aliens.

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It is change, Juan....it is change.

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GO OBAMA !! NEVER NEVER GIVE IN to the Boenernators.....!![/quotMIght

Might I ask at this point, Juan. Do you own gold or silver?

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The graph is illumating is it not?

Reagon has a worse unemployment figure than Obama did and in 16 month drops by 3 points. In the same amount of tie and with billions spent for stimulus, Obama increase it by a .1 of a point.

Ah yes...stretch the problem out, never find the solution to it, just let it linger and linger and linger.....while confidence in the country and government.....fades. And more fear of a pending crisis is made. But buy that gold and silver.

Then you had this entire inflation thigeee. Obama admininistration was going to spent the economic recovery of the country. A inflation crisis was coming. Buy that gold and silver as a hedge to inflation.

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But to follow up on this. Reagon worked with a split Congress and the country never defaulted on its bonds. Clinton had a split Congress and did not default on his notes either. So it can be done.

But here today...we have this debt crisis....my oh my....another crisis in Washington. My oh my what are we suppose to do? Buy Gold and Silver, and protect yourself from the coming failure of the American government.

Do the REP and TEA Party 'factor' in to this? Yes they do. They have been the straight man for Obama's game of three card monty on making government that profits from crisis. There is always a straight man, Skybow.

Ed McMann comes to mind. God rest his soul.

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Dear Skybow.....welcome back to the political fray of 20 and 12. How nice it is to see your illumating words on my screen. But the TEA Party and REP did not have control of Congress during the first two years of Obama administration. It was not until the mid term and the American people coming to their senses, that the House became REP.

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Conrad...a request if I might.

Could I have a photo image of MR. T adorned in his finest jewlry at this point in the thread?

My thanks in advance.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I think he said something about being a "one term President". That he would rather be a good one term President than a bad two term President.
The veto only will increase the price of gold and silver bullion.

It must be noted at this point. That many many many people in Chicago own large amounts of gold. Nothing wrong with that mind you. But the
President's decisions have increased their dollar value in gold two fold in less that three years time.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

You know it is not just FOX tha tplaye into the Crisis/Gold thingee. Other media were running gold and silver ads as well. And every REP canidate, Tea Party member and REP that said the sky was falling because Obama took office feel into it as well.

I just got a email from Newt Grinrich.....what does old Newt say?
"I have worried about three catastophies threatening America". Then he names them,

1)Continued decline of our manufacturing 2)effort to fundamentally alter America 3)intellectual dishonest of American and European liberal elite what facing Islam

What kind of negative leadership is that Newt? It is type of fear mongering. The sky is going to fall, the sky is falling. Opp the sky has fallen.

But old Newt's message says crisis are about hit the country. Rush out and buy that gold and solver to protect yourself from the coming failure of America.

Then when you click thru to their server sites.....what do you see? Many time gold and silver ads. LOL............

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Go bakc to my theory on the crisi/gold.

That is why Obama has strung the debt ceiling negotiation out so long. It is driving people to the gold and silver bullion markets. Keep the price up. Gold rose $23 per troy onch in one day after Boehner left the table.

So here is another prediction.

Obama will veto any bill that comes from the Senate/House on the debt ceiling. None are going to good enough for his pen. And that will cause the American bond the rating to fall from AAA....and to continue the crisis.

A crisis that continues to inflate the gold and silver markets.

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That is only the paper Treasury. The gold and silver bullion Treasury is loaded. That is were Bernake fits into this. By separating the Gold and Silver from the Paper money M1 and M2 accounts, Bernake makes the
FED look like that poor old cow with nothing more to give.

Why does Obama keep a REP Bernake to run the FED? Bernake was not one of the three that GWB recommended for him to keep on. Indeed after Bernake failed to see the coming 2008 Economic Crisis.....why would either GWB or Obama keep him on?

Because he was going to separate the paper money from the bullion in the FED accounting practices. He did that likely to keep his job at the FED. jmo

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

You want to know what is really funny here? Go back to the early days of Obama's administration. What kind of advertising did you see on FOX?

Beck, Hannity, OReilly and all the other FOX segments were running gold and silver advertising. Beck and OReilly were both hawking bullions as a safety hedge buy against the coming Obama administration's fiasco. Yes?

So what does the Obama administration do? Gets into the FOX/Obama Administration controversy....that does what? Brings more viewers to the FOX channel to see.....those Gold and Silver bullion commercials.
That helps to sell more gold and silver and drive the price up.



There is always a reason......

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Dude is going to push all his chips to the Obama line on the craps table, Conrad. We all know that. Dude is a dedicated follower of Obama.

He may not take a word of you or I say here as being the 'true'. But if Obama says jump that cannon. Dude is leading the charge to cannon rim.
And I don't think Obama is handing out parachuts or bungi cords as they rush to the edge.

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This is purely Windy City style of governace. Assuming I am right on the theory of Crisis/Profit making. The liberal European were clueless to what they were supporting for office in the 2008. They saw Obama as a meek and academian type President.

He was out to steal their piggie banks big time. Because this inflated gold standard is costing them billions. It is the reason that the Euro has been floundering. Why trade in the Euro, when you have both ongoing crisis (libya and energy poor Europe) and bullion going sky high?

LOL..................those $29.99 donations to the Obama campaign from Europe, I bet get thinned some in the 2012.

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It takes awhile but eventually you start to see the goals of a administration. If this administration goal is use the global crisis as a means to keep bullion prices high, then you can begin to use it to make some prediction on future decisiosn that they will make.

Like?

The North Korean envoy came to NYC.....to meet with Hillary C. There in his first press conference, he ask (demands) a peace treaty with the US on the Korean war.

Now go back to my crisis/gold price theory. I predict Obama will reject it to keep tensions and a crisis developing between the two Koreas. That in turn will force the price of bullion up.

Woodward in his book confirmed this in his book somewhat. After getting the information from GWB team on the Global threats...Obama eventually said to a aid...."I have a world were half dozen things can blow up (crisis) and only ruminentary means of stopping them."

So?

They plan into their administrations this concept of crisis profiting.
Even if it blows up, they still profit. Pretty slick you got to admit.

And it explains a ton of stuff.

Like why Obama was not cool down the Arab Spring.

Like why Air Force One is order to make a low fly over pass of the Statue of Liberty.

Like why a boomer in surfaced near NKorean waters.

Like why a ICBM was not or was launched from near LA toward China.

Like why they have not negotiated with Iran on its nuclear programs.

Like why they are not seeking a middle east peace deal between Isreal and the Palestines.

They have been making crisis and letting crisis develop to profit from them.



I know Dude I am surely wrong.

Oh but this just might explain the draconian TSA searches at airports. The new global warning to travelers of potential terrorist attacks. The keeping of the SW border open. The selling of weapons to drug cartels. The inablity to get the other alQeada leaders after bin Laden raid and a small library of intell was gathered. And my favorite......not prosecuting the 3 Black Panthers after they held a polling place hostage in the 2008 election.

Now what do you say?

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

It look like we are going to have lowering of our bond ratings. Even with a debt deal, the rating companies will see other issues and reason to lower it.

So?

We try to elect intelligent and honorable people to Washington. Yet on this debt ceiling and revenue increase they have totally dropped the ball. Or it seems.

None want the default. But none can compromise enough to keep it from happening. And years of earlier debt piled on has them cornered. Yes?

Or?

Consider when this all started with one newly elected President saying those magic words...."We are broke". Words do matter yes?

Were we really broke? Did Obama make a honest statement? Or did he fib a big one?

Well I did a little digging. When Obama said that....in Fort Knox...2.5% of all the gold and solver ever mined and refined in the HISTORY of the world sat. How much is that?

14528 metric tons.. It is 140m troy ou of gold and silver. A troy ou of gold today is just under $1600. A troy ou of silver is near $40.00 today. Getting the picture?

But what about when Obama took office? What were the values of Gold and Silver than? A lot less. $ 850 per ou gold up nearly a two fold since 2008. Even more of the picture, yes? Only in the spring of 2008, REP Franks had said, "we need to find something new to value other than Real Estate" I think that they did. Gold and Silver.

That is only in Fort Knox. In the New York City Federal Reserve, you have 3 x the amount of gold and silver that is in Fort Knox. Some of that is not the US but foreign parties. But most of it is. The United State is the single largest holder of gold and silver bullion in the world. There is various amounts of bullion in each of the 7 other Federal Reserves.

I don't think that the US was broke when Obama said it was. They, had like the banks of 2008, a liquidity crisis going on. They were short of cash. But they were not broke. They had plenty of bullion assets. Bullions that they wanted to hang unto because they knew that with crisis and a lack of confidence in the government......the value would appreciate.

We now have a reason (a motive if you will) for them to have one crisis after another. To drive up the gold and silver values of the country. Lack of confidence in the governments, sends people to the gold and silver markets, They knew that. It is Knyesian economics 101.

Further why close the bullion OTC markets of gold and silver? Because you can get a vastly varying price in the OTC markets for bullion. This way they can control the price of gold and silver better.

This is why Obama does not care about the debt ceiling crisis of
the devaluing of the US bond rating from AAA. Why the White House has stalled the negotiation of the debt ceiling out. Why he spent the country right to the debt level. To force this crisis.

It might effect your interest rates paid on a house, car, or credit cards. It might effect your future tax rates. The employment in the country. Even the prosperity of the country. But it does not effect his gold and silver bullion holdings or their appreciated value. Indeed it will only drive the value of gold and silver up. Crisis always do!

One last little piece of this puzzle is FED Chairman Bernake. Who has the unusual position that gold and silver are not money. So they are not include in the country M1 and M2 accounting. Someone has to show that you are broke on paper. Yes? Those are major money accounts. REP Ron Paul has grilled the FED chairman on this position. Historically both gold and sliver have been considered money. But not in the United States today.

My problem here. This was very unethical to do. To tell the country ....no the world that the United States was broke. To place the world's markets into a disarray and to cause hardship around the globe to force the gold and silver prices high. Not a nice thing to do at all. And why the United States should have a new President in 2012. A honest President.

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I am not sure if you are checking the results of your poll. But in my Poly Sci class they said anytime the poll was less than 10% to over 90%......that the poll was inheritantly flawed or the writer of the poll was.


I know this good for at least 4

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Opps

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That is OK just so long at the end of the thread, they don't add up to me getting a broad impaled into my body.

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He did talk about 'not calling his bluff. on the debt crisis'.
Boehener called it the other day when he walked out the White House and went for a walk in DC to the Senate.

Opps......The scramble in the White House to patch things back together had to be something to see. White House cells phones and blackberries being used so much they are running out of battrey.

Like they say....you can take the city out the boy but not the Buckeye out of a Ohioian. Boehener is from Ohio and he attended a top flight school in Xavier. He is no slouch. Obama underestimated him.

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I kind of like the tally on the thumbs up and down. Can we add them up at the end of the thread for each poster. The one with most
meet the same fame as the ancient gladitors in the Roman Collisum?

The one with the most gets the fair maiden or in ladies case the the fair groom.

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I don't think that Nr, Rapheal or Dude are going to like what Mr. Dan McGinnis says in his article very much. But the short version is, he says that Obama lost the leadership on the debt crisis. That when Boehener walked out the White House the other day and took it the
Senate, the Congress began to take control of the situation.

In other words, Obama failed to analysis the situation correctly. And failed to lead.

The long version is:

Go back for a moment. What did the White House do when Boehener walked out?

They scrambled around to talk up the Senate Gang of 6. The Gang of 6 does not even have a working plan put together. Reid has the Senate version of the debt bill. Obama does not even know who in the Senate has a debt bill in the works.

I thought Obama was a pretty sharp politician. But now I am having doubts. He wants the leadership role here.

Boehener took that away and forced his hand. Why? Because only revenue making bills can originate in the House. The Senate has no power to give Obama his needed revenues to run a government. Boehner has Obama over a rock and hard place.

Boehener also just took a big swipe at a Obama veto. If Boehener links with the Senate, they can over ride a Obama veto with a 2/3rd Senate vote. Obama is being out played in the game of Washington political chess regarding the debt crisis and ceiling. Out played pretty badly, I might add.

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That is what it is really all about. Communist found they could not make a go of it Russia when Reagon forced them to overspend the military industrail complex and they could not put bread on the table for the people.....that were state property.

Suddenly from no were....we have Progressives. Advancing the world to progress ideas of "free education", "free healthcare", "free etc etc etc". Only they also places high taxes on the basics of life and increase the income tax rates to were the people are really working for the state.

These Progressive....they will tell you Jesus was a Progressive. Abe Lincoln was Progressive. Mao was a Progressive. Arafat was a Progressive. ..not that any of get the chance to really asked any of these past leader, face to face if that so. But it just gives living Progressives some credibility.

When compared to Communists and socialists...Progressive suddenly shrug their shoulders and ask about Joe the Plummer and why would a man want to own a pluming company? But Joe the Plummer asked a very critical question of the Senator Obama. And we all remember that answer. Senator Obama answered like European Progressives, er Socialists, er Communists have been answering every since Russia fell apart.

What we have today is a just another painting of the Communist party. It shed the red color in the early 90s. Then added the red, white and blue of Europe as progressives. Now it wants to add the Red white and blue of America. Again as progressives. All the time, Progressives in Europe have ruined the economies of several countries....Greece, Ireland, Portugal...to mention a few. During the past couple of years brought the US economy to a stagnation and high unemployment rate.

The real reason Reagon gets the ire of Mr. and Dude here.....is he broke mother Russia. They (European socilists liberals) have been trying ever since to break America. The election of President Obama was a step in that direction. The country was soon "broke". Yet Fort Knox held as much gold and silver as ever. Its free enterprise markets were still operating. Until Obama recently closed down the OTC gold and silver market. And he spent the country to the debt cap of 14.3t.

Now Dude says re-elect Obama in 2012, He will get the American dream back for you. His progressive views and ways will work. Did they work in Greece? Ireland? Portugal? Or this last three years in America?