RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Who fault is it that tax makes up so much of a price of a gallon in Europe? The Koch Brother and other oil suppliers? Or the people that elected a government that wants to have massive benefits program and tax the oil industry to [ay for it?

Sometimes what you vote in, is what you get.

When did you say that university education, that medical and other benefit is free? You are paying for them with your tax structure of sales taxes and income taxes. They ain't free and there are no free lunches.

You guys mix religion and economics all the time. 'Sins of the father and punish the children'.....yea right. Let God deal with sins of the father. He does a better job of that, than you or me. Specially better than a government that increases the tax on a price of gallon at the pump.

By the way....were did you say the EU safety nets for Greece and Portugal are? Spain and Italy seem to be slipping off the rope ladder into the EU safety net as well. You know you fill up those EU safety nets to full and even they will give way.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

340m European are paying $9 per gallon Koch Bro do not care Dude. They really do not. If they deliver a lower amount of crude, they know that the European demand will drive the price up. They will still make the big bucks.

The Super tankers would bring in more crude and likely drop your price by a $1 a gallon in time. The supplier is bring in more. And maybe making more. But it is less out of your pocket and 340 million other Europeans. With a large supply.

But hey is only supply side economics and we all know that since Obama has been elected supply side economic does not matter anymore.:-)

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Some times those u beleive being ur friends are ur worse enemy mister TT... Do not get fooled by Fear TT and if u take Fear tis seriously at least... Fear them all and not only those you are dictated to Fear!

I don't even know were to begin here. But if you had some friends involved in events of Olso, I am truly sorry. For it does sound that way.

Dude 90% of the terrorist attack in the west are by right winger? Not according to the University of Maryland START program. The worlds biggest database of terrorist acts. Muslim have it hands down with about 60% of the world's terrorist attacks.

Here is the STATE site. Check yourself.

95% of the right agree with Breivik? Hardly, my pastor called it a evil act. So do I. You need to site some polls on these figures Dude. Your creditibility is sinking fast.

The Taliban? Here is another piece of Woodward book during the transition. Obama is meeting with GWB. GWB says to Obama.....there are "three men you need to keep on after the transtition; Gates, Haden and one other. That for continuinity in the fight. GWB said "We have it going our way. These three played major roles in it."

Obama begins to interviews them all....and offers them all position in the his administration. Woodward learned that every two weeks since 911 of his two administration, GWB had a counter terrorism meeting with his leaders. Each time he did, he ask how are we doing (locating) on Number one (bin Laden) and Number two (elZharkiri)?

After the election of Obama. GWB began to say to them....we only 3 months (transtition period) left when he asked about bin Laden and elZharkiri. GWB wanted binLaden and elZharkiri....wanted them bad.

He placed everything that Obama needed for a sucessful raid on bin Laden in the countries arnesal. The Stleath helo, the intelligence from GITMO, the SEAL Teams. We just did not get GWB the address soon enough.



Get the facts first, then make the commentary.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Hey Dude...what is the price of a gallon of gas in Europe or Dimark?
$9 usd or there abouts, yes?

OK now follow. Obama has two totally unused super tanker sitting the USS Navy fleet. Bran new super tankers. Iraq since it stabilized is increasing its crude production big time. They completed the northern connected pipeline to the the Turkish port city of Iskenderom

For just one of those super tankers to be put on a weekly route from Italian or French maritime terminal to Iskenderum. Would be million of gallons of crude for your economy and would drive the price of gas down in Europe. Basically it would replace the crude being lost to the Libyan fighting.

But Obama sends those USS Navy two super tanker to England to be dismantled and scrapped. Each of those super tankers can make a weekly delivery to a marine terminal in Europe. That is is lot of crude.

Any thoughts?

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

So why did Obama not sign on to the deal that was on the table last week? OReilly said the REP and Boehener had thier proposal on the table last week. Shortly after they took the vote.

So Obama stalls the process to?

To...place the country AAA rating into the tank. To.....cause markets around the world to destabilize. To...... cause another crisis that needs his attention before the election for votes?

By the way. Both the House version and Reid's Senate version.....don't have any new taxes.rolling on the floor laughing

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I think that since CA passed their version of the Dream Act....the Federal Government should take all the border fence, the national guard and the additional border patrol that they have on the CA/Mexico border.....and move it all to Arizona/Mexico border.

Just open up the CA border completely. If we want to see a bunch of liberal westerns DEM changing tune about illegal aliens and the problems they bring. When Nancy Pelosi goes to a local emergency room for treatment and finds herself number 99 in line. Liberal Californian will change thier views.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I have just invited by Al Gore to attend his "The Climate Reality Project" in Mexico City.innocent Honest. Al sent me to his website.
To check out why the sky is falling.

Good old Al. Gee thanks. I have 50 days, 4 hours, 2 minutes and some seconds to make up my mind if I can participate. They have a running clock on the website that is counting down to this momentous moment of Al walk out on the stage in Mexico City.doh

Gee if I don't decide in the given time, does that mean I caused the sky to fall and the world's environment to collapse? How can any sane person be pressured into this kind of environmental fear mongering?

Well I going to watch the video...being open minded....but I just bet that good old Al does not have the NASA earth observation maps in his presentations. That would shock me to actually see some honest long term independant studies in his presentations.

But just so you all know....you too can be part of Team Al Gore.....and attend his Mexico environmental conference. Just pull the gingle out of the pocket and you too can save the environment.doh

Or.....take a vacation to Cancun and enjoy the pina colodas and the beach as the world's environment falls around you. Here is to Cancun
drink pouring

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

The head of the ATF does not even want to admit that he knew about it.
That he learned only after the guns began to show up in Mexican crime scenes.

But remember Conrad....they micro manage the government from the White House. So this had to have executive level approval from the White House. President Obama does have a hand in every facet of the government workings, yes?

When they were selling Qdaffi weapons before Qdaffi turned into enemy numero uno....er maybe numero doce.....er numero trece......that was going to have White House approval. So what is the difference between selling to a Mexican drug cartel and Islamic terrorist?

It does not matter....the buck stops were? Well in this case the $100m for the 50-M113s to Qdaffi and the drug money for the high tech and high powerful light weapons went were? I wonder if it when in the General Fund to be spent with the Social Security money of the elderly.

Nah we both know better than that. Those nasty REP heads would be making it public. So...anyone up for some hidden bank accounts in some offshore sunny Islands of the Carribean?

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Just out of curiousity. What happens in a Cain, Romney, or Bauchmann wins in 2012?

Does the car that Obama push to the edge of the cliff with his spending go sliding down? Does China ask for her billions back? Does bin Laden return to life in the form of a ghost?

Think ahead Dude. All Obama has done is divide the country. We want and deserve a leader than can unite the country. A Obama led country in from 2012-2016 is only going to weaker and more divisive country.

You (Europe) is going to need a stronger and more united America in the future. You got problems boiling now that have not even surfaced yet. Obama's America has not been there for Europe for the last 3 years. He half way goes into Libya for you. He takes the Noble Peace prize with a smile and admits he does not deserve it. He attended your Coopenhaggem enviromental conference trying to be the hero of the day.

Name three positive things Obama has done for Europe?

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

What democracy polices does Dude advocate? I know I am going to be sorry for asking the question.

You ask if he knows about Obamacare. He does not. You ask him if knows about TARP I and II stimulus packages. He does not. You ask him if knows about the Iraq and Afghan wars. He spills GWB at you and 1 million deathes in Iraq.

So what democracy policies is Dude advocating? Or he is just a European ideolog that knows little of the American system, culture and politics?

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

He won, he is just not in charge, Juan. Soros, Imanell, European liberals, are in charge.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I have been camping out at my election office door for the last month. Pleading for a 2012 ballot. They keep sending me away. Last time the Election Supervisor said to me.....you keep this up.....you will be just like ACORN trying to stuff our registeries with all those fake registeration.

I say "I only want one ballot."

She says "I know darlin, so do I"

laugh

Herman Cain for President in 2012

RE: How could Obama possibly win the next election.

Herman Cain for President in 2012! Or sooner if possible.grin

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

Oh Good Lord...............LOL

REP did not spend the country to the debt ceiling. Obama and the DEM did.Seeking to? Seeking to stimulate the economy. And they failed. 9.2% unemployment and growing at this time.

Now the REP are 'untrust worthy'?

Financial analyist are saying no matter what the outcome of the debt talks, there is going to a devaluation of the American AAA rating. It is happening under Obama's watch. Ttat is how bad his liberal economics are. They were so off in the real core causes of the 2008 economic collapse, that they did not solve them.

Obama jumps into possible third war...in Libya....with out asking the country. Hey....guess what....it is our sons and daughters that are headed to the sands of Libya. But don't we get the right to speak on this matter if it happens? He totally ignores the Constitution here.

He sells US debt to China...like it was popcorn at the movie theatre. Do you want it with butter or with salt or both? Have it your, please China. China says....I will take mine violating your 35% buys rules it is so good. China says....let us also tell you who to and who not to talk. China says....we demand to have the South China sea. China ....says our friends in NKorea need to see the President.

Then his leadership during the PB oil spill crisis. We have lazers and helo that can do insitu burn offs of the surface water oil slicks. And they ask for ideas to control the it? They get over 84,000 ideas and it takes a NYCity plummer with the idea to control the flow with new valve he invented.

So much for the having a DR in pyhsics or engineering. LOL Do they impliment helo/lazer burn offs. Nah....let us collect it by boat/boom. But let not let the USNavy send thier 65 boat/boom units to the site for clean up. Most of the time the boat are sitting on the beach waiting for orders. All the time crude is beaching from Texas to Florida.

He kills NASA when need innovation, needs new vision and goals, need
employment. For what? To make some Islamic cleric that is unhappy over the Appolo program happy? Now he is sue Appolo astronauts for thier keep sake gifts of the lunar landings.

I could go on. But it is post in futility. Off into the wind of the internet. But it not even close to the futility and inability of the Obama administration to lead this great country. rolling on the floor laughing

RE: The $ and the American economy

Worry about Dude is like worrying about your next cavite. Is the dentist going to fill it or pull it? Either way, your mouth is going to be opened wide and your are going to be gagging.grin

RE: The $ and the American economy

Ah go ahead and butt in. It is more fun that way.............grin

RE: Christian terrorism on rise ?

No, he said in court there were two more cells. There is no evidence if they participated or not. But I fully expect that you want them "crushed"?

RE: Christian terrorism on rise ?

Brevievik uses the unabomber Ted Kacyznski manifesto as his main source of material for his manifesto. He copied it nearly word for word. Substituting Muslim and multi cultural for the unibomber's leftist and left. Ted Kacyznski was non religious. Nor were his victims selected because of some religion that Kaczynski practiced.

Former FBI agent Turckie, who supervised the unabomber hunt and capture, said he sees 'similarities' in the two men.

Kacyznski was a anarchist. Will site later in the post. His manifesato called for a world wide revolution against the "industrial-technology system." that hurting the environment.

Within the American anarchist community. There are persons that act with violence and those that simply 'talk and write' of anarchy, the overthrow of the government or established powers. Kaczynski, Loughner,
and now Breivik all step across the 'line of talk and write' to the 'actual act of violence and murder' for their ideological message.

See it is Brevivik choice of a target that keeps this from being a religious hate crime. He chooses the government of Norway to attack.



RE: Obama will make frennds with outor space aliens for outor gullacti piece!!! TELEPORT!!

Three sentence and the mention of Tea will get you one page closer to 51. Had I said Sarah Palin was going to be on the View
grin to announce her canidancy. I could have not done better!grin

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

Katt, Woodward was "imbedded" into the Obama administration for its first 18 months. So to write his book, he had open access to much of the documents and persons of the White House. To be fair, the WH gave him transperency and access.

But I don't think that the WH necessarily liked what Woodward placed into print. They did not trash it. But they mostly ignore it. He is not super critical of either GWB or Obama at least early in the book.

Seldom do we get a inside view of secret transtition intell meeting of a President-elect like Woodward gives us. From the meeting notes of Obama staffer that Woodward got....it was clear the GWB had figured out the Pakistani threat and he passed the information on to the next administration.

I am only a few pages into it. Woodward book seem to offer a lot of details that lefter would like to have. With transperency the PC of the day, Woodward used it to write a detailed book. But Woodward did not get word of the Stealth Helo. I checked the index, not a word on them.

So I think that the Obama is trying to keep some high technology stuff classified. While giving PC correctness and access to the day to day operations of the White House.

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

I just started digging into Bob Woodward's Obama Wars.

Old Bob has picked up a since of humor since his earlier days on the Pentagon Paper and the Nixon tapes. Well he is writing on the Obama administration.grin

But when he calls them a "Cast of Characters"...yes he really does! You can see were his humor is going!!

But the first thing that I saw in his book was three pages into it.....he blows Dude's conspiracy theory of Taliban/GWP & REP /Suadi/alQeada right out of the water.

So let me tell the story and then add some quotes.

The time in during the 2008 Transition. Obama has won the White House and now GWB intelligence chiefs are briefing him on the threats. The are meeting in this super secret room in the FED Building of Chicago. Just Obama and the GWB's Mike McConnell DNI chief and Micheal J. Morell GWB's briefer on 911. Got the picture?

I quote; "The immediate threat to the United STates came not from the war zone (Iraq and Afghanistan), but from Pakistan, an unstable country with a population of of about 170m, a 1500 mile border with southern Afghanistan, and a arsenal of some 100 nuclear weapons."

Basically McConnell told Obama Pakistan was his immediate threat.

McConnell goes on. "It(Pakistan) was a dishonest partner on the
US in the Afghanistan war."They are living a lie." McConnell tells Obama.

McConnel on the ISI "It was as if there are six or seven different personality within the ISI. The CIA exploited and bought some, but at least one sector-known as the Directorate 5- financed and nututured the Taliban and other terrorist groups."

On Predator Strikes McConnell says. "In the first quarter of 2008, only 4 Predator strike had been launched against alQeada targets. It has uncovered evidence that the Pakistani was warning alQeada of pending Predator strikes."

McConnell give Obama intelligence that the ISI was supporting the Haqqani network attack on the Indian Embassy in Afhanistan that 58 and more than 100 were injured. The US had warned India of the coming attack, but even with increase security taken the attack was successful.

What McConnel did not say or Woodward did not get access to was GWB development of the stealth helos. I am figuring that they were fast tracked thru R and D into production. Because their first mission were happening in 2007, one year earlier than the 2008 transition. Later they would be critical to the bin Laden raid. But so was this very accurate transtition information on Pakistan supplies by GWB and his people to Obama.

Does that answer alot of questions of why the bin Laden raid was kept from the Paistani? Why Obama did not share binLaden's address with the Pakistani? Why the connection of GWB/Suadi/Taliban/AlQeada is a flawed theory?

Time to rethink? grin

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

You need to take a longer view on problem. What FDR and DEM set up post the depression was a workable low cost solution to retirement costs of the country. Then the DEM grabbed on and made it their personal piggie bank. By taking funds from Social Security thru the General Fund.

Reagon (no 41) did not have any part of that. That was Jimmy Carter (no.40) that move Social from a 'trust account' to the General Fund.

How much did they siffen off? That 63t in total liabilities for Social Security and Medicare ought to tell you something.

Once they found they had a cash cow....they simply milked it.
Passing laws to force contribution to the FICA account. Taxing the retired for any FICA payment made.

You are trying to blame Reagonics, while it is Reagonics in Washington that is the sole common ground that they share in the Debt talks. They both see it differently. But its give them a workable model of how to structure the government's liabilities and revenues.

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

I just read a article that says they are using Reagon economics in the present debt crisis talks. Seem that both sides think Reagon economic offer something to agree on...a common ground for the debt talks.

So Rapheal, though Reagon is gone......what he left is going be around for a long time. That is legacy, baby....legacy.


Debt-crisis-Deal-sought-to-head-off stock-plunge/Reagon-looms-over-debt-debate-inspiring-both-sides

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

I just read a article that says they are using Reagon economics in the present debt crisis talks. Seem that both sides think Reagon economic offer something to agree on...a common ground for the talks.

So Rapheal, though Reagon is gone......what he left is going be around for a long time. That is legacy, baby....legacy.

RE: Christian terrorism on rise ?

Is that not the logic of Muslims used to press Christian and Jews out of the Muslim world after the Crusades? What Chrisitans and Jews owned in property, was not theirs. But rather was anyone ...and anyone can move into occupy it? Anyone just happened to be the stronger and larger Muslim communities of the region?

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

As I said in the earlier post. They stretched out the debt crisis to keep the American people from knowing the full extent of the debt level and debt of the crisis.

Here are some other debt figures that have not been widely made known by Washington:

$5t Fed Government Debt for Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac

$62t Total liabilities for Social Security and Medicare

16.1t FED Reserve loans from Dev. 2007 to Jan 2010
(of that it is appears that $5.1t is making its way to the FED Debt)

Bernake when questioned in Congressional hearings did not question the figures on FED Reserve loans.

"To get our fiscal gap in order" writes Boston University
Laurence Kotlikoff "the US must cut spending or raise revenues by 20t over the next decade, far more than the Presdient wants to slash or the REP want to raise."

That is why we need to have a broad based tax approach to the problem. Everyone has to take the hit.

Presently they are talking a 3t budget slash or rev raise in Washington on this compromised debt. Far short of what is needed.



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RE: Obama will make frennds with outor space aliens for outor gullacti piece!!! TELEPORT!!

I kind of like how this thread is turning out. We all becoming such close friends here. Learning new insights about each other.
Tea anyone?grin

RE: Which is the best intelligence agency of the world?

They did, they just forgot to tell anyone.grin

RE: Christian terrorism on rise ?

His attorney says that (and I quote) "he was motivated by a desire to bring a revolution in Norwegian society". and "He wanted a change in society and from his perspective, he needed to force thru a revolution."

That fits the definition of a anarchist.

RE: Debt ceiling! Obama wants a fair deal and Republicans playing games!

Yea...how can a tax cut be considered a debt?

Taxes are revenues to the a government. A debt is a promise to pay or financial instrument of debt.

You guys try mix apples and cherry all the time. But the pie never comes out and good when you do.

Herman Cain in 2012grin

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