We have alQeada saying he is dead We have the Taliban saying he is dead We have his wives and children that were there saying he is dead We have the 16 that were detained at his compound to eventually say he is dead We have the 5000 member crew of a US aircraft carrier what will eventually be free of military contracts to say he is dead.
We have not had another video tape since his.....supposed death.
But only here on CS.....can bin Laden still be alive...
Today...the new Egypt wants to place more soldiers in the Sinai. This to control militants that fire rockets into Israeli cities in the south. Only a few days ago 200 were so launched.
The earlier treaty restriction was that Egypt would only have 750 soldiers in the entire Sinai. Why should Israel agree to new terms and more Egyptian soldiers that can be raiding force into Israel?
Until Egypt has a government that is not fractured between Islamist and liberal (if that is possible), no one knows what will emerge in Egypt. Israel should not be forced to give away security because neighboring Muslims countries have internal divisions. That applies for Syria as well.
Isreal is a religious state. Max. So is every Islamic state that you listed that did not have diplomatic relationship with them. You cannot get into this debate with out bringing religion into it. But I cannot make a religious reference in the post? Who do you kid?
I am not trying to prove a thing.
Except to say this. The Palestines might get their state. They might even get the settlement areas. But before they do. Every odious thing that has been ever been done in Islam....from the uprising and mutiny Muslim/Hindu Sepoys during the "Night of the Long Knives"....to Perz Musharreff being in bed with the Muslim brotherhood when he was a young Captain in the Pakistani Army. Will be explored here on CS.
The astronauts were taught to take hopping steps while the moon. If they took a full leap it might throw them off balance on the landing. If they fell the lunar surface, it might tear and damage their suits. They would decompress and die.
A company I worked for made a cordless lunar core drill. That they took to the moon to drill core sample from the lunar surface. Here on Earth it worked perfectly. On the moon? Just a little different.
The core drill was a 1/2 drill motor that spun at 600 rpm. It had large T handles in it with a grip trigger to engage the motor. It had shaft that connected to the 14inch core bit. The astronaut used it standing up.
Only....
When the core bit hit a lunar rock and jammed. It put the torque into the standing Astronaut and lifted him off of his feet. Spun him completely around one time. Then he lets go. It flung him from the drill about 12 feet. 1/6th gravity right?
He landed on his boot tips, knees and gloves. It was quiet a balancing act to make a 6 point landing. )) But these were very well conditioned men. But he saved cutting his suit and dieing.
The astronauts had a video camera running to capture the first core bit taken on the moon. So this was all captured on film. That film is at the companies museum in Towson Maryland. Because of the CS policy on commercialization I cannot mention the firm's name. But you have enough clues to find it.
Sure it about being nice and kind to each other. Just a open discussion to seek the truth. As long as the truth is what middle eastern majority makes it. Sure it has nothing to do with painting a blame on the west or Israel.
Just so long as the Islam does not get painted with the same brush....
The historical facts are simple. dNA has proven time and again....Jews and Christian were in the middle east and Holy Land, years before Islam was a faith. Archeological documents have shown the same. Carbon dating has shown the same. No one is sure when the Palestinians arrived until Yasser Araft came long in the 1970s
Yet today, Israel needs to...has to.....will be forced to... give away parts or all of the country to the Palestines.
I think that one person and spirit that knew that the Earth was round at the time of the writing of the Bible.....and that the Star hung in the heaven at his command.
Still trying to figure out why the majority here hate to have Isreal as country? Why they hate the decision of generation before us. Like the people of those generations did not have these debates in making the decision(s).
They did.
England had extensive discussion that led up to the Balfour agreement. The UN had extensive discussions on resolution 181.
This just goes to prove that many in the world will not accept history or the decisions of earlier generations. Hence they are doomed to make the same mistakes, cause the same heart aches, and achieve little in their small life times.
How do you restrict access from one history research group (cold case investigations) are a historical investigation group. From a different historical research group?
Beside we have late dNA findings on new killers/rapists and exonorating other convicted all the time. It is hard to say when new evidence in a case will come to it.
If you going to secrete research projects like this. I think that the project might have been set up to keep the material private until their deaths and then stir the North Ireland pot again. Not a very noble thing to do. But hey I advised GWB too only publish his biography after his passing. Which shows you how much they listened to me in Washington.))
Please tell us what happened to the missing Jewish tribes during and post the Crusade period then? Did they simply evaporate into thin air?
Who did the Arabs hire as merc following WWII as during the wars of 1948-1949? American boyscouts?
As for Islam teaching hate to others....I getting tied of the number of times, I see American and Israeli flags being burned after a radical cleric has stirred the pot in a mosque.
What I like about this thread is for......60 years it was the US and UN....that wanted a two state solution. At times, even Israel agreed with that. It was the Arab League, and the Persian Gulf countries that kept it from happening, those 60 years.
Now suddenly, it is only Israel that kept it from happening.......
Legal views.....that the video study was done to be 'a research program for media, historians, and others interested' in the time and activities in North Ireland. A law enforcement investigation into a cold case will fits into the group of parties.
So my quess is that a court ruling would hold you cannot use academic freedom, that are are freedom of speech issues to block a law enforcement investigation. Boston College will be ordered to release the material.
Non legal opinion. She might be able to place enough pressure on the Boston College to fight the release order pretty high in the US court system. With many here still upset over the Lockerbie bomber case in the UK, tit for tat might come into play.
Since noone is going to shed light on how the Palestines got to living around the Jewish nation question that I have raised. E.G. Went from a nomadic people to town and city types.
Maybe I can answer the question. Because it happened in American west of the late 1800s and early 1900s as well.
As tribes break apart they get smaller and smaller in number. This can happen for a number of reasons. Suiox, Crowe, Latoka, Navaho, Apache and Comanche....all begin to migrate in small family units or individual to western cities and town.
The old store wooden Indian chief was carved because of that migration to the migration to settled areas of the US. People want to survive. No mater race or culture....many did not want reservation life. Preferred to live along side the White man.
I think that this is exactly how the Palestine came to be along side and mixed with Jewish nation. As smaller tribes of bedioun broke apart or they were to old for the rugged life of desert...they moved into locations near the Jewish nation towns and villages.
Not only that, but Israel was the cross road of the world. People moved into and from the area all the time. From all directions. If you did not have the Jewish culture there.....and with it principles of charity and giving....do you think that the relocates would have lived?
You have Jesus story with the Samarian women at the well to back this up by way. Saramian and Jews were not suppose to associate with the other. But every time she went to the well....a Jewish well mind you. She rubbed elbows enough with the Jews....enough to know of Christ's coming.
Just maybe the Jewish people in antiquity.....aided the Palestine people to live in the region.
I am still trying to figure out American Indian and the western movement of whites have to do with the Israel/Palestine issue of today. There is only a ocean between the two. Only 140 years in time. The only similarity, I can see.....the nomadic nature of Indians and Arabs.
AND no one has answered my question to how nomadic people can own land. Says resident loon......LOL
Sure it was only Isreali that were running tanks across the desert and on the Golden Heights in the war of in the 72 war, in the 6 Day War, in the yon Kipper war, in the Lebanon conflicts, in the other conflict between them. No Muslim ever got into a tank, or a aircraft or carried a weapon during these wars. They are all innocent by standers.......
bin Laden first wife said in her book...'Living with bin Laden'....that number was 5. This because Mohammad the prophet had 5.
On a sub note. Pakistan just gave bin Laden's 2 wives and 2 daughters a 45 day sentences for illegal entry into the country plus time served since his death.
The reason they passed 181 unamiously back then. Everyone in the world recognized that the Jews and Christians were in the Israel or the Holy Land first. The propaganda machine of the radical Islam has worked over time in the last 20 years, to convince a generation of naive westerns that they were not.
Historical nomads that suddenly claim a massive land title to them! Please someone find me a Muslim that had a deed to piece of Middle eastern property prior to 605AD.
But guess what?
There are both deeds of land owner ship to Christians and Jews in the region prior to 605AD. Those taxes that they were paying to the Romans at the time were on titles land.......
First time I heard that Lenin was a jew. I thought he renounced the faith to become part of the communist party. That his ancessors were jewish. But maybe we quibble there.
The photos of gas chambers I saw were of white tile. Not red brick. Again a point of quibbling. But so they could be washed of the gas after the bodies were removed.
Jewish terrorism. Jewish terrorism did occur. But it was never targetted early on Arab or Muslim in the area. But on the British protectorates that were there. One of the reason the British decided to leave the area was a bomb detonation on a English police station.
Having said that. Yasser Arafat deciding to blow up irrigation canals in southern Israel was also a act of terrorism in my opinion. The jewish settlers were attempting to make a garden in the desert. 100s of man hours when into the canals. They are trying to feed a nation. A nation that included Arabs and Palsetine. What right does Arafat have to destroy their efforts?
Well nut meg, I know how to spell analogy. No wiki needed on my prior post. Which you clearly ignore.
But there was no gold rush in the middle east that drew either Jew or Muslim to the area. There was no 100,000 acres of open range land that only the buffalo roamed. So when you compare Arab/Jew history to American Indian/western movement of whites history....it is a weak one at best.
But these is one common factor. The American Indian and Middle Eastern Bedioun were both nomadic. Meaning if you look up the word in the dictionary.....they moved from spot to spot.....and did not own land. Opps.....were does that place your theory that Muslims were in Israel first? Do nomadic people own land? The answer there is no.
VP Joe Biden just came out and said President Obama's open mic comments to Medvedev...."were only the facts" of the present situation. That if re-elected President Obama would be able to negotiate more nuclear reductions.
So suddenly this has turned from being about the defense shield in Europe to being more nuclear arms cuts.
Again we see the DEM using open mic for political hay making, as everyone can agree that one fewer nuc in the world is a pretty good thing. But the deceptive way that the DEM do it with open mic comments is what bugs most. Clearly President Obama felt that the recently elected Putin could make his re-election run tougher. Because he asked for 'space'.
Who is Putin to meddle into US Politics? He is a meddler only if men like Obama let him in the door.
George Will....also has taken Obama to task for the open mic comments. saying that he...."slippery and disdainful of the American voter". That this is the real Obama in action. Sounds like George has figured out that these open mic comments are being stages for public consumption as well.
That is BS as well. The Jewish nation, before Mohammad was a baby was all the way to Damascus and Bahdad. The have been finding by satellite imagery 100s of old circular Jewish Synagode thru out the region.
So who did the Jews expel? Not the Muslims. They were not even there till 605AD. After 900 it was the Muslims armies that came to defeat the Christian crusade that did in the Jewish settlement of the region.
That is why I say you don't history taught in Europe any more.
But going back to the American Indian wars. After or Civil war between the States. The western indian was in a very tough position. 1000s of well armed and trained in war men went west to the Gold fields of CA and the land rush state of Oklahoma. They were not going to let Indian tribes stop them. Each time the government made a treaty. It was broken by those looking for gold or to homestead.
Now how is that like the Israeli and Arab issue of today? or even in the 600-900 period?
So what are we arguing about? Holocaust happened. It is one of the most documented events in modern history. Saying it did not happen, because no accurate accounting the death toll is like saying the stars are not in the sky. I cannot count all the stars in the sky either. But I know that they are there.
Iran has use proxy organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah to fight it wars for it. It has supported both with funding, weapons and munitions to strike at Israel. The leader of Hezbollah and the Supreme Leader of Iran have both admitted this only a few months ago.
You assume the US is going to invade or bomb Iran in this conflict. It is very bad assumption to make since the US today has energy directed weapons in the form of EMP wepaons. The US can send Iran back to being stone age country, with out putting a boot on the ground or dropping a bomb inside the country.
The US used nuclear weapons during a time of World War. The invasion of Japan, had it happened was estimated to take 500,000 American lives. What would you have a American leader do? Or any leader of any country? Destroy his enemy or let him men die on the beaches of distant islands?
Ignorance of history is also dangerous. As clearly this post is.
Iran technical declared war on the United States the day when the US Embassy in Tehran was taken. That bit of property was soveiniegn to the United States. The 56 American that were held hostage for 222 days, shows the intend of the Iranian government and people to Americans.
The day Iran gets a nuclear weapon, is the day the world become much more dangerous place.
In the Christian faith, Jesus is considered to be the Messiah. Not a Prophet. There is a difference. A few other names for him ....all from the old and new Testament, The Bread of Life, the Son of God, the light of the World, the good Shepard, the Christ.
In my reading of the Bible. Jesus used the term 'Prophet' very seldom. One time in reference to the old testament Prophets...Issiah and Moses.
He never talked about the Mahdi, Mohammad the Prophet, or Alla that I have read.
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RE: osama bin laden is
We have alQeada saying he is deadWe have the Taliban saying he is dead
We have his wives and children that were there saying he is dead
We have the 16 that were detained at his compound to eventually say he is dead
We have the 5000 member crew of a US aircraft carrier what will eventually be free of military contracts to say he is dead.
We have not had another video tape since his.....supposed death.
But only here on CS.....can bin Laden still be alive...