RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Within the next 72 hours...96 at the most...the United State Supreme Court will pass its decision on the constitutionality of the Health Care Act of 2009 (commonly called Obamacare).

Three possible outcomes can come from the decision.

1) The entire piece of legislation is stricken

2) Parts of the legislation are stricken

3) The legislation stands as written, passed and signed

Majority Leader Boehner has asked the REP in the house not 'to gloat' if either of the first two decisions is made. He asked that they fully read the decision completely and to prepare remarks accordingly.

The feeling around the country is that it is split 4 to 4 with a Judge Kennedy being the deciding justice. Here I have to commend both parties and the country as a whole. No pressure has been placed on the Supreme Court to rule one way or the other. At least no pressure that was public.

Behind the closed doors and in chambers talks of the 9, this has to be a hotly debated case. I see a future Hollywood movie coming from it. This one could be as good as 9 Angry Men.

Win or lose on this issue or your preferred side of the issue.....the country will survive. The flag flies tomorrow. And the legal process was played out. That is the way it should be. 312m Americans living under the rule of law......what a great demonstration of democracy to the world.

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

A little more on the Turkish aircraft.

It was a F-4. They don't know it was shot down or had mechanical trouble. They are searching a area of the MED with vessels and helo......if so.....they think that the aircraft went down in international waters. That does not mean that a engagement did not occur in Syrian airspace.

But I doubt if Syria would not let them fly helo into Syria airspace or over Syrian waters for a pilot search.

But clearly the Turks lost a aircraft......

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

I would say that is part of the coming Arab League response to Assad's
brutal treatment of Sunni Syrians...........Syria needs to get ready for a lot more. Arab League has 2 times the combat aircraft that Syria does.

I was wondering if Turkey was going to come into this. Turkey adds another major combat force to the Arab Leagues Military Forces.....and adds a northern combat zone.......

Assad and his Alawite Army just maybe be squeezed like bug between two rocks.......

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

The UN now says that the violence in Syria has displaced .....1.5m. That is near 4 times what the Red Cross reported only 3 weeks ago.

Displaced from Homs......250,000
Displaced from N. Syria (The Alawite area)......350,000

In 38 provinces, the hospitals....only 1/2 are still open. They don't have fuel to power them.

It is not that the UN or Red Cross are not helping. They are.
Provided in June were food rations for 451,000. The plan is to provide
850,000 in July.

The Red Cross is trying to get into the conflict area to remove trapped civilians.

More than 86,000 Syrian....have been registered as refugees in Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. Up 20,000 in only a week.

The mass exodus of Sunni Syrian is only beginning. With most of the 1.5 displaced being Sunni.....and only 86,000 registered as refugess.....there are many more to come.

At the end Syria will be a country of 4m Alawite and Assad's bloody army of 200,000 Alawite flying Russian HINDs to patrol the borders.....

news.yahoo.com/syria-violence-hampers-aid-operations-u-n-074012369.htlm

RE: Afghanistan the Graveyard of Supper Powers

Jack you don't want over there.

You think that the Taliban are tough? heck the VC were twice as tough as the Taliban. The VC fought all year long. IN the heat and humidity of
SE Asia. That Taliban fought for only 1/2 the year and lay up for the winter time.

Beside back in the 1880s we beat someone even tougher in guerilla warfare than the Taliban and VC combined. The Apache and Navaho Indians of the SW.

It was my priviledge after 911....to research just how for alQeada and the Taliban......how General Scott beat Geronimo and Choicise in the SW west Indian wars.

Please note....that bin Laden's American code name.....was Geronimo.

We studied how Scott won this campaign. And has extensively used the tatics, timing, and equiping of Americna forces in Afghansitan form it.

The Taliban were beat back 1880, by General Scott and some American Calvary. And did not even know it.
))

RE: Afghanistan the Graveyard of Supper Powers

We have sent over 1m different Americans on missions to Afghansitan since going there in 2001.....less than 2000 were killed.....going to Afghanistan is becoming considered easy duty here.

You got to know that many more Taliban than 2000 have been killed in this. Heck bin Laden lost 2000 at Tora Bora that he used to cover his escape into Pakistan. Being a Taliban footsolider has to have a life expectancy of about 60 days.

RE: Afghanistan the Graveyard of Supper Powers

Looks like the Taliban got even with a Mumbia style attack on the lake resort west of Kabul.

The honorable Koran fearing Taliban....took women and children hostage....used some as human shields....killed 20 (mostly Afghans) Before the Afghan forces surrounded that retook the complex. None of the 5 Taliban survived.

Here you have a private enterprise trying to survive in a very weak tourist industry and in one of the world's poorest countries. And just because the Taliban get all wrinkled up over a wealthy birthday party at the resort....they are killing people.

I will not say....that the Taliban have become part of the OWS.....but sure sounds that they have similar agendas.....against the wealthy.
You know how these strange religious ideologies go.....whisper in the ear of a Taliban...."kill the wealthy Afghans" and he seems only to willing to become a religious nut case to do so.

RE: Afghanistan the Graveyard of Supper Powers

Hey Ray.....did you read the report the the moon has vast supply of nano materials in it dust? You know nanomaterials that makes thing harder than steel...stronger than steel.....lighter than steel....

They just launched a very secret....one might say ultra secret USAF Atlas V from the KSC yesterday. Pretty sure the US could back to the moon to mine some of these highly valuable materials in the future.
Even China would to have a vast source of them.......

Last time I checked....nano silicon materials sold for $70 per once.....

LOL..............

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Eventually Wikileaks does place some stuff out on Fast and Furious.

But it is all misinformation. Wikileaks say the guns were sold to the
Mexican Army and to other militaries in central America. Not to the cartels.

This would be a shield to the Obama administration. Laying a possible second cause for the guns sales.

But very little is placed by wikileaks on fast and furoius. My search turned up only 5 pages of hits. Few were on target to a connects.

Assange names is never mentioned in any of the wikileak Fast and Furious leaks. Fast and Furious was not broke by wikileaks but by two
pro gun reporters.....

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

This is getting better all the time.

Been doing a little checking.

Holder never got a extradiction order for Assange to come to the US on charges relating to Private Manning. Month and Months Holder rang his hands and they had internal debate within the DoJ if they should request the extradiction.

Many legal experts around the world were wondering why it did not come. Sweden had said they would honor it. Assuming Assange was in Sweden. Only he is in England. So first the Swedish extradicition.
Then the US extradiction.

ONLY....Fast and Furious breaks in the US. Obama and Holder know that Assange has documents on Fast and Furious.....so a quid pro quo is done. Holder holds off on the extradiction and Assange holds onto the
Fast and Furious documents.

My oh my............

Here is the most recent article on Holder seeking a extradiction on Holder that I could find.......

As of May 3, 2012.....Holder had not processed a extradiction on Assange.

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

I think that the links to Obama administration being tied into far left's anti Americanism are starting to be driven home.

The most recent order to keep Fast and Furious documents from Congressional investigation is a tip. That there is so much more behind the Obama administration than meets the eye or will ever meet the eye.

What is further strange is that Assange....of Wikileaks...is taking refuse in the Ecudorian embassy at the same time this Congressional hearing is charging AG Holder with contempt of Congress. Thus keeping him from any prosecution in the US for releasing classified materials.
This entire far left administration is starting to unravel.

What is even further strange.....is that we know that Fast and Furious documents go back to early in Obama's term in office and number just under 200,000 documents. So how was the Obama administration able to keep Assange and Wikileak from getting Fast and Furious documents?

Because Assange never released any documents on Fast and Furious. Though he had Private Manning and a number of other sources into the
classified computers systems of the Federal government. And if he had Fast and Furious documents.....releasing them would cause vast damage to the Mexican/US relationship....cause harm in the combined countries drug wars...and bring about a investigations into the Obama administration. All things thing that Assange would like to do.

So?

Why does he not? Assuming that he had Fast and Furious documents?

We know know that Assange would also sell documents to buyers. Did the Obama administration buy Fast and Furious documents from Assange to keep him from releasing them? Did the Obama administration have a special relationship with Assange and Wikileaks? If they do, then the Obama administration likely has relationship with some Asssange's other
political backers.....the Anonmyous anarchist group and the Ana3security hacking group.

Ana3security is a hacking group of Anonmyous....developed by the anarchist group to intrude private, corporate and government computers to find classified documents. Assange began as a hacker....so likely has a close relationship with members inside Ana3security. Indeed, Assange has his own hacking group inside Wikileaks.

So with contempt orders on AG Holder coming down.....Assange thinks ...hey maybe they are going to release Fast and Furious document to
the Congressional hearing...some of which....have my name on them.
So he needs to find a secure hiding place. Becuase if that were to happen...surely a syponia and extradiction orders to the US are coming.
Holder might be out of a job as AG.

But President Obama now protects AG Holder (and Assange) by the use of executive privilege.

The house of cards is falling................

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Seems that it is a tie in the Supreme Court...4 to 4...with one undecided swing vote (Kennedy)to make the decision. Assuming that the Supreme court knock the bill down.....or strikes the key parts......
the single major legislation bill of his term.....has bit the dust.

This after its passage....the President was heard to say....that its passage placed him on the same legislative scale with FDR, LBJ and .......yes Abraham Lincoln.

If at this point you are gagging....you have every right to do so.....

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

So now explain 5t in new debt placed on the shoulder of American youth?

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Not going to start this post off about AG Holder being held in contempt of Congress over the Fast and Furious documents. But will come back to it at the end.

Rather going to talk Joel Peralta, a picture for Tampa Bay MBL team.
Peralta a reliever ws entering the game, when the opposing coach Davey Johnson for the Washington Nationals....ask the umpires to check him for a 'foreign substance'. See if you place a foreign substance on a baseball that is thrown at 90 mph.....you can make the ball do all sorts of funny things. It is illegal to 'doctor' a ball.

Sure enough....Peralta had pine tar on his glove....according to the umps....a substantial amount. Before throwing one pitch.....Peralta was ejected out of the game.

Well AG Holder was just ejected out of the game.

A Congressional contempt order on a Attroeny General.....says in effect....we don't trust you. You are feeding us a load of BS. You
are avoiding the people questions and you are ducking the issues.

In some cultures, they would simply ask the man to leave the country or commit some kind of ceremony prior to having the axe come down.
The United States is much to gentile for that. Basically, we say you are in contempt of government authorities.....and have lost standing to speak here.

President Obama attempted to save his AG, with a executive order on the Fast and Furious documents...that they were priviledged. But with some of them having been released earlier....that flew like a lame duck
in a shooting gallery.

So what now?

Congress will not get the documents that have been made priviledged. Obama will hide behind his order.....and the truth of why Fast Furious was done...and why two American and untold number of Mexicans were killed by the cartels using the guns.

The White House is hoping that it will die and quick death in public opinion and in media. Not so fast.....the REP will be talking Fast and Furious in every campaign commercial were they want to attack ...Obama on creditability...on transperency...on South West border cartel drug wars...hispanic voters......

The country already sees this as a major dark mark on Obama's presidency. The REP are not going to let him off the hook....they placed him on it. Now to convert that into votes.......

Back to baseball.....Tampa Bay won 5 to 4.......

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

America has not dropped a bomb in Syria, that I am aware of. But maybe you have some knowledge of it. Most all the heavy MIL hardware in Syria is Russian made.

But remember my post earlier that Syria was a diversion for Iran nucs?
Yesterday was the last day of the Moscow talks on Iran nucs. The session ended before the Mexico G-20 broke and Obama and Putin had their 2 meeting and then press conferences. Moscow was all finished by that time in Mexico City.

I watch both Obama's 20 minute Q and A....he answered 4 question....none were on Iran. I also saw the Putin and Obama joint press conference....neither said a words about Iran or had a question on it.

How much in the media have you seen regarding the failed Moscow conference on Iran's nucs? I read one small 4 para article on it. All the rest was on Syria and the EU money crisis.

Iran won yesterday. They dodged additional Moscow conference sanctions and then dodged any heat in the media. Just saying this is a big reason Syria is happening.imo

Syria is a diversion. Iran ran a diversion on the Bush administration right after 911. This Syria thing is bigger and more deadly. But still a geo political faint in my opinion.

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I did read Kofi Annan 6 point UN peace plan for Syria. He does not request that Assad step down in it. Or does he state that a election process be set up to replace him or get a vote of the Syrian people.

So it basically is a ceasefire. The Syrian Freedom Army already honored it one time. Then the first atrocities hit. Fool me once your fault, fool me twice, my fault.....the SFA will not buy into a ceasefire without UN observers in my opinion. I would not, would you?

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Finally. My WH report on Syria is done. Submitted several days ago....before the Mexico conference and the Moscow Iran talks.

So I am moving on....have a good thread....been interesting.....

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

You spoiled my fun here, Don. No biggie. But our resident Obama supporter is so wrapped up into him......but never seems to know
Obama quotes when they are posted.

Obama said this back in the 2008....to get IND and Mid road voters.
REP in Florida have made it into a campaign add.

I saw Unger's UTube already. Well what I saw was HARvard Prof that was really ticked off at the course of the nation.....clearly he felt Obama was going to take the Nation off into far left socialism.

He was going to supply the red paint to cover old red white and blue ....and to make some Communist flag. Where it was Obama or the 2010 mid term Tea Party win that stopped that....am not sure.

But Unger is one ticked off socialist.....the hands placing a death grip on the chair is a clue there.....)))....

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

Here President Obama also commented....that a process for governing in Syria at the will of the Syrian people needs to occur......


Another shashy around the dance floor anyone?

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

President Putin needs to tell that President Obama. Because at his new conference (which I heard live)....he clearly said Russia and China are not onboard with the removal of Assad.

But if international song and dance were a olympic sport, these two would be in your top 5 finalist.

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

Am Sorry, Iseek

Here is a update to Putin & Obama joint message on what they really meant they agreed on Syria,

I will let you do the analysis........

news,yahoo.com/blogs/obama-russia-china-not-signed-removing-syria-assad-012710164.html

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

Think that Putin gave up just because ship turns around? Watch and learn.....

Know what a An-124 Condor is? The worlds largest military transport plane. Russia has 24 of them. One An-124 will hold 3 maybe 4 HINDs

The Russian ship will make port in Saint Petersburg and the HINDS
will placed in AN-124 Condors that are in the Russian Air Force
and then flown to Syria.

Putin has backup trans plan to supplying Russian tanks, helos and plans to shipping them by vessel. Vessel are cheaper. So he uses that first until caught. The profit margin is better Now he has been caught.

So he flies them there.

So don't worry Putin will get his HINDS and lot of other military hardware into the coming proxie war before it is over with.

But I still pulling for the 680m Sunnis.....I like the underdog.

By the way.....it was when 8 Russian transport planes flew into Kabul and offloaded a Russian Para unit when the Afghanistan war really began. The Afghans had been told it was relief supplies.

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

2 hours and 42 minutes ago the arms ship made a U-turn and is headed back to Russia.

This according to the British Navy.

Always a man of my word.......bowing

But you might have already known that by the time posted on the bet post........grin

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria


Let us put some CS prestige on the line. If I am right for the reason sited in the earlier post that Putin sent them for Russian pilots to fly in Syria.....you can bowing to me in the future.

If I am wrong....and the smart play for Putin is to stop and return the ship to Russia . I will bowing to you in the future.

Fair enough?

But think it thru.

Any ship owner that would list MIL Helo on his insurance forms....has already gotten his foreign export license from the Kremlin. He crossed his Is and Ts enough to get commercial insurance. In the coming civil trial Russia because he going sue the Kremlin because they had turn around costing him millions....the ship owner will show those foreign export document signed off by the Kremlin.

So they way I see it. Mr. Putin is caught between a rock and hard place here.

But there is a third option.....

The Russian ship owner turns up the victim of highly radioactive Russian nuclear isotope from eating a meal in local Moscow restraunt....habitted by former Russian KGB agents.....

So the Russian ship owner might wish to leave the country soon....

I sure hope the Russian ship owner was smart enough to make copies of those export licenses from the Kremlin.....if you are reading send a copy to every friend and family member you have....

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

So why does the US support the Kofi Annan peace plan if the CIA and MI6 are directing the death squads in Syria? Not supporting it would e the way to go.

And why did Kofi Annan not reply to Lendmen charges of this? Or have a UN investigation began?



But I have to admit....seeing Russia tied up in another Afghanistan like campaign.....just gives many in the US shivers up their legs. I have said that in the past, if you remember. Seeing Russia dump 2-300,000 of her finest young men into Syria.....to be surrounded by
680m angry Sunnis...we think it a very bad idea. Likely President Obama told him this at the Mexico meeting. But hey Putin has done some really bone head plays in the past.

By the way.....I don't think Putin is sending the MIL helo to Syria to be flown by Syrian pilots. But to be flown by Russian pilots that were with the Russian marine deployment.

See in Russian military doctrine....old Cold war military doctrine that is....but what we saw in Georgia...the last time Russia fought.....you have mech infantry/tanks & PC /close air support.
Assad has a excess of Tanks and PCs. But not close air support.

So Putin needs his MIL HIND helos and his Skois Ground attack aircraft in Syria....to support his Russian Cold War Military Doctrine. So I have a pretty good odds here that the ship ends up in Syria. Else those Russian Marines will not have the mobility and close air support that they need.

So for what ever reason...the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming,the Russians are coming....... to Syria.

It is a old US cold movie movie....so look it up..... Billy Bob gives it a thumbs up

And yes, Boban...life is good. Even in the bad times.

RE: Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria

The UK insurance firm that leaked Russia was selling MIL Helo to Syria....because they found the MIL helo in the cargo manifest of the Russian freighter.....has discontinued the insurance policy with the Russian owner.

The vessel is now off the coast of Scotland. Well within reach of a UK search team.

Now I suggest.....

That if this agreement...or as they said yesterday....commonality on Syria violence between Putin and Obama will hold any water. This Russia vessel is going to make a 180 turn and head back to Russia.

But.....

If this agreement on Syrian violence is mere words....for the media by Putin and Obama in a American election year....and Putin is arming Syria for a proxie war between the Arab League and Syria.....this vessel is headed to Syria.

Surely President Putin can get a Russian merchant ship to abort a passage......if he really wants Syrian violence to end. He can bring down so many Russian laws on the owner for violating Russian foreign arm shipment laws that it would take all the lawyers in Moscow to get him out of Russian courts.

Then again if the owner has approval from the Kremlin's foreign arms approval agency...we know that President Putin knew and approved of the sale.

So boys....place your bets were this Russia freighter ends up?

Ports in Tartus, Syria ?

or

Ports someplace Russia?

Personally, my bet is Syria. But I have lost a few bets in the past....

RE: What's Wrong With Iran Having a Nuke? Lots.

The second and last day of the Moscow talks on Iran's Nuc.....seem to be in a "fustrated stalemate" according to the one article just read here.
The US just announced a "significant military presence" in Kuwait....

I wonder if there is any connection of that two?

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Hey Dude ...who said....

"We cannot mortgage our children's future on a mountain of debt."?

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

I think I have learned how Obama does it.

In Quebec girl's school yesterday.....a new hypnotist left the 12 and 13 year old girls in a trance for up to 4 hours. As he was unable to break the trance that he has placed them into. Clearly this was kind of new liberal educational project.

He had to contact his mentor to find out how to break the trance, that had the girls with their heads on the tables in zombie like states of mind.

I think that Obama uses some kind of mass hypontist on his followers....This would explain the OWS zombies....that if asked what brought on this state of mind.....have no answer but a distant look of being lost. Only instead of placing their heads on the table, thy riot in the streets.

I say this because in Norway.....a injured and lost American hiker....on a remote Island. After three days, set a rescue fire.....that got out of control and burn much of the island down.
Again, clearly a liberal.

But returning to the idea that President Obama is a just mass hypnotist that places a trance like spell on his followers......what is the solution. Most often if one snaps their fingers this will break a trance like state.

So this is for Dude dancing

grin

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Let check the polls.....Romney v Obama.

Please note that is not McCain v Obama or GWB v Obama.

Michigan, a union and DEM state....has it Obama by 1 very thin point
47 to 46

A second Michigan poll has it ....Romney by 8 50 to 42

NJersey Poll has it Obama......56 to 33

Iowa has it Obama by a thin single point...47 t 46

North Carolina has it Romney......48 to 46

Rascusson has it Obama .....42 to 41 Nationwide.

About as close as it gets. Hence the Obama campaign has been
playing all their late campaign cards....the Gay and Lesbian announcement....the Dreamer announcement....now. These were most definitely late campaign issues to 'pull out the minority vote'.

But with the 2012 race so close.....because of what was seen by the REP and Tea Party strength in Walker recall Wisconsin vote. Axlerod changed strategy and threw the late campaign minority issues out.

But it just shows Obama to be a far left liberal candidate to the IND and Mid Road voter. Now that IND and Mid road voter have move to the left on the last decade. But how much to the left?

It also proves what conservative were saying Obama from the 2008, to be accurate. We said he was a far left kind of guy. They hid it, buried it, twisted it.....but when they come out and act like it.
It proves your point. To the IND and Mid voter...Romney a mid roader....starts to look better. This baby is going to won and lost in the IND voter....that today 38% identifies with.

Credibility still plays a role here. Will the American public accept a liberal wolf candidate that put on the sheep clothing of a mid roader? A second time? Romney can dig into this in the debates....and expect him to.

The American public has seen leaks, corruption, stonewalled investigations, and other ethical issues from the Obama administration for the last 3 1/2 years. If Romney goes after his credibility in the
debates...it will strike home and make votes in my thinking.

Biden does not help him here. According to Reagon's son....its Biden that is doing the leaking. Why? I don't know. It hard to understand the team work and relationship these two have. Leaks are damaging to a administration....the credibility issue. And to have the VP doing the el leako? It makes little sense.

Biden was in Central Florida two days ago....now Axlerod has him painted as a hard hat kind of guy coming Scranton PA. In reality Biden is a Ivy League kind of guy with a law degree. Biden said a s much in the Central Florida gathering.

Now....little more.

Remember the 8b FED high speed rail from Orlando to Tampa to Miami?
A chunk of change, yes? A private firm is offering to make the Orlando to Miami leg for 1b. All private money and not single tax payer dollar in it. Opps.....FL REP Mica....a REP....that sits on the Transportation committee. Grabbed it. Says he can ram it thru Congress.
The private firm would employ 7000.

But.....if this happens across the country on Obama high speed rail deals. The Private sector to the rescue again.....

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Having never played golf before being elected to the Presidency. President Obama sure has picked up a licking for the game.

Since taking office....he has played 100 rounds of golf. Yep he swings golf clubs and is in the clubhouse set.....alot...))

Now consider....GWB also played golf. But .....in August 2003 after the Iraq war commenced. He gave it up. As DEM like Axlerod complained that he was spending to much time on the course. To David Axlerod it was a 'disgrace' that GWB played golf while American troops were in the field.

Well David...can you tell us how you feel about President Obama? The President some are calling Golfer in Chief?

I did a little math here. I estimate that the President has spent 7% of his Presidency on the Golf course. That to my knowledge is not in the job description. Can we dock his annual pay....of $400,000 by 7%?
That is $112,000 for his four year term.
grin

RE: Obama or Romney? That is the Question!

Hey.....Dude.....Romney's 4 yo grandson Parker....asked his Papa if he had beaten Obama yet. When Papa said no. Then asked Parker.....who he wanted to win....Parker pointed to Papa Romney.

So it is official. American youth are divided over who should be
the American President in 2012....grin

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