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Do you think it is time for Cain to pick up the message on the 4.2t in FICA payments that made their way into the General Fund? I sure do.

Those are union moneys, and teacher moneys, and fire fighter moneys, and police officers moneys, and small business man money, self employeed money and day labor moneys. Everyone in the country has been effected by the Social Security dump into the General Fund.

What if Cain the middle of this fiscal crisis/debate says...he will run a government without using FICA money in the General Fund. That will restore the people confidence in Social Security, yes? Think about how much he has to cut the FED government to do that?

It is likely 6-800b a year in cuts.

Dang sometimes I even surprise myself.....grin

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That is funny Conrad.

OK time for a Quote Quiz. No net searching.

Who said....."When you find yourself are in a hole, stop digging!"

Well the hole made is by the Obama spending.

Here a is good recent Forbes article on it.

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But if you read the article you will know the answer to the Quote Quiz.

Obama's plan still has spending increasing a annual deficit of a trillion per year. But it was all triggered off by Obamacare and the TARPs. That bumped us to the debt level. It was in 2008 and 2009 when the lines between REV and SPENDING went in opposite directions. But to be fair, they were running a deficit government in the final years of GWB administration. But the lines were parallel.

The GNP is under 1.5 for the quarter and employment did not improve.

Obama supporters will be hanging on for economic recovery till the last day of the 2012 campaign. This was to be another "recovery summer". We recovered alright ....right into a major default.

I see Tim Geither spending a lot more time in China in the near future.
Tim a word of warning......several Executive officers and their management staff of Chinese National Bank.....have simply disappeared the last few years in China. They likely they only lost a billion or two. You are talking about losing 100s of billions on a default. Have someone taste test the Peking Duck before you eat it.grin

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REP run part of it, Juan. They control the House of REPresenatives.
That is why the call REP John Boehner, House Majority Leader Boehner.

The Constitution gave the House certain duties and repsonibilities to carry to run a government. One of them being to enact budgetary legislation.

I cannot see how Harry Reid helped the situation yesterday by voting down the house bill. Me? I would taken the main aspects of the House Bill and incorporated them into the Senate Bill. Now you have a piece
of budget legislation that has booth DEM and REP stamps of approval on it. That you send to the President.

Harry put them back to square one with only three days to go. What ever the Senate does, still has to go back to the House for reconfirmation vote. Then it still need the President signature.
So I don't think that they have time to get it done.

They dropped the ball....and basically they don't want to admit it.
But this is what this entire crisis government is about. They got financial markets around the world going thru hulla hoops and doing
voodo magic session trying to figure it out.

It is OK the people will speak again in 2012.

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thumbs up thumbs up head banger

Rapheal, you are the only person blogging here....that I know can get to 2 red marks and 1 green mark for 3 emoticons.grin

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After the Senate rejection of the House budget bill.....who did you say the party of NO was?

By the way.....the Boehener bill has balanced budget admendment in it that is pretty cute. It works this way. The debt ceiling is a two step increase. So before they go to the second step.....both House ad Senate have to make a balance budget admendment for the Constitution.....and taken it to the states for approval.

Now it takes 60% in both the House and Senate to pass a Constitutional admendement. Something in this lifetime very unlikely to occur. So basically that second debt step is out of reach. A final cap on the debt limit untill a balanced budget admendment is in the Constitution.

If the Senate does not come back with a balanced budget admendment in their revised bill, it ain't going to pass in the house. This country will default. The House REP are serious. There are no more blank checks in Washington.

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President Obama is taking a beating on the his approvals since the debt events of this last week. He has dropped 3 points in one poll to 40%
It a recent Gallup, he is at 41%. In both they have 50% disapproving of his handling of the debt crisis. Sure Congress is getting clobbered as well. But in 2012, the Congress does not run against the President.

Drop five more point, and the US will see a new President in 2012.

Also this. In 10 states that the President narrowly one in 2008. 6 of them have him with disapprovals of 50% or more. Most of the 10 states have unemployment of over 8%. This really has the DEM 2012 re-election committee stumbling. They have to find more battle ground states to make up for these were he is running behind.

So we are starting to see a red and blue state map that does not favor the President.

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Because she wants to work, to contribute, to be self reliant, and not to mention to have self respect. At her age she could go on the dole.

But remember I said Congress now taxes the social security that they hand out? Financially she cannot win. They take FICA (social security) payment to the general fund were they earmark it to other programs. If she retires, they tax her social security payments and can set the rate to any level they wish.

She was 75 and putting in a 8 hour day and the other two of my story were early their 30s. Who should have been working today during business hours?

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After President Obama's 17 minute TV address to the country
on the debt crisis.....were later media descriptive words like...short sighted.....and....submitted no plan....and mis managed......were tossed around to described his time with the teleprompter.

President Bush steps up to give a National Geographic interview on the question....why did he remained sitting in the Florida classroom with the news of 911. According to President Bush...."I have been in enough crisis before to know that the first thing a leader does is project a image of calm."

Now I am not saying the former President is taking a shot at the man in the oval office at present. Everyone has their own management style. That President that stormed out of a debt meeting only a few weeks ago. Gosh areal crisis that had to be. REP Boehner had to be such a challenge to him. But one has to admit that President Bush
lead by example on that tragic September day in 2001.

This has been a point of issue to the former President's detractors. Why he remained in the classroom while the 911 attack proceeded. They thought he should have rushed to Air Force One and immediately flown to Washington to defend the country single handly. Mano a mano combat with who ever?

Rather President Bush gives us this thought. "My first reaction was anger. Who the hell would do that to America? Then I immediately focused on the children and the contrast between the innocent children and the attacks. So I made the decision not to jump up and leave the classroom. I did not want to rattle the kids. I wanted to project a sense of calm."

Hmmmmmmm from crisis management in one administration to crisis drama in the next.....only in America.

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Just to show the reader were the Presdient is at......

here in the middle of the debt debate and the various bills flying around Washington to solve his made debt crisis.

The President announces new MPG requirement for US automakers. Now if is were some reasonable figure.....say 5-10 mpg increse in 3-5 years.....no big deal. It makes the news. The auto makers know what they have to shoot for. Life goes on and there are not many waves in the near future.

But

Not this President. The President in the swirle of 'debt crisis' debate asks for present a 35 mpg to 57 mpg....or a jump of 21 mpg by 2017. Guess he does not want those Hummers coming back to the market anytime soon.

One has to ask why?

This MPG goal is hot button with his far left supporters. He needs them to be calling Congress to support him in the debt debate. So?
Give them their MPG wish and let them clog the Congressional phone lines that being fried by the Tea Party and REP.

With the MPG goal set so, his supporters see that he is still the environment Pres that is going to stop big oil from fouling their planet. It would be nice, if they left a little for the rest of us.

But no this was politically calculated for release during the debt crisis/debate. Knowing the the REP were split presently. They would not mount much of a response to the outlandish MPG regulation.

By the way.....most US cars fall short of the 35 MPG. So this is big big big jump in MPG for most of the American auto makers. But they all had smiles and said it was fine with them and they could all hit the goal. Of course if you just had a multi billion dollar bailout from the gov't, you might smile and say the same.

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A hard core military news

the AWOL Private that was arrested near Forth Hood on the threat of a terrorist attack made a big mistake. He went to the same gun store that Maj. Hasan had bough his weapons for his earlier attack. This time the clerk is a former police detective grew supscious when the private asked for unusual large amount of the smokeless gun powder and then asked what smokeless gun powder would do.

Yes, I know. Please don't go there. They let him into the Army.grin
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In Afghan, father & son marines had a strange reunion. The son (Private) on IED road clean up detail, was traveling to the same camp his Gunnie Sergeant) Father was based. Indeed was on the radio making a call to him. When IED exploded under his vehicle.

The aft end of the vehicle was torn off the Huskie (a Type of IED sweeping vehicle). The private has back and neck injuries that are non life threatening and is medivac out of the area. Now with the reunion off, the Gunnie Sargeant get permission to helo to the hospital and visit his son.

When he arrives he finds his son on a cot with IVs running to him. When he ask what he can do? His son requests cigs.....they don't get many at his forward base. Gesh does't this young marine know that cig are bad for your health and can kill you?
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MacDill AF Base. Tampa Florida. A civilian imposter.....well maybe ....I will let you be the decider of that....worked his way into MacDill AFB saying he was a special civilian advisor to the Special Force Commander Adm. Olson.

The civilian imposter is in reality Scott Bennett, a Army Resverist, told base housing authorities that he was on assignment with special top secret orders from Adm Olson. He was arrested with 10 weapons and 9000 round of ammo at his MacDill BAQ. Earlier he had been detained at the base gates being drunk and with weapons as he attempted to enter the highly secure facility.

The base housing officer said Bennett arrived in uniform and requested base housing...siting he had secret orders from Olson. She checked that facts and found out that no such orders exited. Bennett faces a range of charges from illegal use of a uniform to lieing to having unregistered weapons on base.

Call him a good JAG. I see housing with Pri. Banning coming here real soon.

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A Medal of Honor was recently awarded to Marine to former Corp. Dakota Myers, for his actions on Sept 8, 2008 in Afghanistan. With four fellow marines dead and being stripped of their equipment and gear, he with some Afghans enter a kill zone to retrieve the bodies of the fallen Marines. One of the dead was a Navy corpsman.

Myers actions occurred during a controversial Afghan battle of Ganjgal.
Several days later, he complains to command that they called for close air support and artillery support that never came. Several Army officers were later reprimanded for falling to provide support.

Marines never leave their own behind. tip hat

The former Corporal (now MOH holder) will never have to buy a drink at a NCO club or American Legion. One of the bennies of the MOH.

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To finish. Back to Ft Hood. The AWOL Private Abdo on his first court appearance....was defiant....yelling out the name of Major Hassan
in court. Well quick send the same JAG officer that is representing Bennett on the imposter charges. Maybe he can get Hassan, Banning, Olson and Abdu matching cells at Leathenworth.

Just one last piece of info here. Private Abdo supported Private Banning theft of classified materials for wikileak. Earlier when Abdu got into trouble over his CO request. He publically sited that Banning had done the world a service with the wikileaks.

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Maybe we can place Abdo in the same cell with Corporal Myers for 15 minutes. Or better let the Gunnie Sargeant have him in the Fort Leathenworh PT for several days grin

Please note not a word of Washington politics are in this post. They don't deserve any recognition till they get er done.

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This is so timely.

My brother is coming down to Florida next week. So am over at Walmart buying the refreshements and other goodies. Am in the checkout line.

In front of me is a __________male and a _________women and two young __________ children in one shopping cart and near full shopping cart of goceries. They check out. I am making faces and doing finger waves at the two kids. So am not really paying attention to their cash out.

Now the ___________75+ year old woman cashing them out.....gets to the last few items. Suddenly items are being sent back to the cashier and taken off the receipt. The woman has handed the cashier her food stamps. And the food stamps either did not cover the bill or the food stamps are bad. So they off load a 1/3 of a basket of groceries.

Then and this the important part.....the man pulls out his wallet....and uses a credit card to pay. The woman takes her food stamp back.

What just happened? Think about it for a moment and you will get there.

So they have credit and that means they have a job. But they are also collecting food stamps.

I come to the check out and the _________75+ yo cashier says to me...."Food stamps. If you want a job, you can find a job." Reminding much of what my anglo grand parents said to me 50 years ago about work.
None of the parties ___________ were anglo.

Mr., we have a lot of people in this country abusing the system. More than likely that couple in line ahead of me are. 75 yo cashiers don't want to pay for them as they do. They see it every day and know what is going on.

Obama gets his $400b more in debt ceiling...all he is going to do is sell it to the Chinese and then give away more 'free benefits' to many people that cheat the systems but who are DEM votes.

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Dude, I have seen some strange poll results here at CS. But nothing like this. The DEMs answer has 3% of the tally. The REP answer has 97%.

Do you really think that it is more Conservative are on the net seeking a significant others? Or the number backing Tea Party and REP has grown since the 2010 mid terms? This issue is being owned by the REP presently?

RE: DEBT Ceiling and the Government

Can I sign you up for your local Tea Party organization, Juan?grin

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No, he vetos if the debt ceiling is not raised enough. That is why when he said to Boehner, 'I need another $400b in debt ceiling'. Boehner left the table.

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Think about it. Both the Boehener and Reid plans have no new taxes. How can either be detrimental to the lower and middle incomes classes?

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I think I am going to make a new political terms for DEMs....."Crisis Mongering". Please note it is not crisis management.

As I open my dictionary of political terms....the tactics of "crisis mongering" is anytime you cannot govern, you crisis monger. Crisis mongering it the overloading of the media and public debate with issues, situations, events and other matters of government that you cannot govern or control.:-)

Early report out today....says Boehener is putting together more REP votes for the bill. So maybe it passes. Two party members last night said they supported it on Hannity. Looks like someone was up late last night making phone calls.

I say...John when you get it passed. Send it to the DEM in Senate in 3000 pages of legislation, like the DEM did to the REP on Healthcare.
And see how well that flies......grin

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By the way this is a great time for Bachmann, Cain or Palin to come forward with either a debt plan or to free the House Tea Party members of campaign promises made on raising the debt ceiling.

None of them are doing it. But it would a compromising leadership and would likely win one a nomination in the 2012. jmo

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Last night John Boehner and the REP leadership was unable to gather the votes in the House for a vote on the debt bill. At 10:30 they quit and went home.

One said....."we will leave for the night, rest and try again tomorrow"

While in the financial markets of the world it is shake, rattle and roll.
S&P has dropped for 5 days straight and some 500 points. One anaylis
said that if they cannot come to a agreement.......the S & P will drop by 1/3 with a default. Or about 3 to 4000 points.

By the way, the first to mention a August 2 default deadline? Tom Geither did. The same time he said....."we would never default". Tim do you wish to take that statement back? grin I will wait for August 3rd for your answer.grin

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They have the official reserve gold bullion holding of the US at 8133.5 tons. And my math was rough math, so yes there is likely some errors.

But if you have a financial crisis and you want to restore investor 'confidence' something like this is a good way to go. The question is do they want to restore investor confidence in Washington? It is hard for me to think that they don't. But why the crisis government then by the Obama administration, that erodes confidence? Thanks for the math catch.

I figure I will put the idea on the table on August 1, 2359 military time.:-).

Now where did I put that extra $400b for President Obama?grin

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The story is being circulated around the media talk shows....the Boehner and Obama had come to a agreement in the closed door meeting at the White House. Then Obama said....."I want $400b more in the debt ceiling".

That is when Boehner walks out.

grin

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Sure it is. The gold is use as a collatrol for your debt ceiling increase. OK? Instead of the "good standing of the American government and people". You gold backed securities. Your creditors will lend on a 4 or 5 to 1 dollar ratio of loan to gold. Maybe even more with raising gold prices.

That with budget cuts.....gets yourself into a position for keeping your AAA rating.

A ton of gold is 64,000 troy ou. A troy ou is $1625 on the market today. 1 ton of gold is $8m. 10,000 t of gold is $800b. With such a loan to collator ratio, you can raise the debt ceiling by 3.2t to 4.0t.

We all agree that a debt ceiling increase is needed. The question is does the Counties tax base act as the collatrol or something else?
You issues a new kind of bond and T-bill that is backed by gold and silver, and ask for that 4 or 5 to 1 ratio as the premium payment.

Compare that to this. If we are degraded to AA....it likely means a .5 interest hike across the board. What does that mean? $400b in additional interest payment (consumer, business, and government) over the next decade.

A old banker trick. If you have a asset that is not producing revenues, use it as collatrol for your liquity. The 10000 ton of gold reserve is just sitting there and doing? Nada. Put it to use. By the way, I am not sure what the gold and silver reserve in the country is. 10000 ton could be light.

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Russia seeing the lack of support in Washington for NASA and Space.

Decided to crash the International Space Station into the ocean in 2020.
That is only 9 years away. Hopefully a new President will be in office and NASA will be up and running again by then.

Or else Russia will simply stop taking our astronauts to the station.

But consider why Russia wants the demise of the International Space Station? It is international made with sections from Canada, Japan, Europe, Brazil, the US and other countries. Russia hates this kind of international cooperation. It really does show how badly the USSR dropped from the world stage.

Not to mention that Russia hates the idea of a Astronaut (normally military trained) orbitting over Mother Russian every hour on the hour for months at a time. It is amazing what one can see from the Space station. The human eye strangely can pick up things in space that even the best of imagery systems miss. Movement often catch the human eye....and when that plume of smoke from a missile or rocket takes off....the human eye knows immediately what it is.

But such a ignoble end to the International Station? Just crash into the ocean? Why just plunge it into the Pacific? Nice that it misses large land masses. But why not moth ball it in orbit? To be opened at a date in the future. For launch point to the moon or mars? Ah.....now we come to the real reason.

With the Station sunk.....literally....it means that leap to the Moon or Mars has to come from earth's surface. That full gravity launch. That expensive gravity launch. It is cheaper to launch from weightless space than the gravity leaden Earth. Mother Russia wants those expensive launch contract in the future. The Space Station is a competitive vehicle to Russia's space plans.

We all know that this President is not leaping to the Moon or Mars. So do the Russians. That is why they propose this now. Obama will likely approve the deal to sink the Space Station into the ocean for the Russians. First he sinks NASA....now he get the chance to sink the Space Station.

So those partners in the International Space Station need to speak up.
Or get ready to see their little bit of space history sink to the birney deep.

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Am reading a interesting article that breaks down the 14.3t debt down by catagories. Catagories that we can assign to political party and Presidents. Shall we have a go at it?

The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts............1.6t.................GWB & REP
.8t each
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Additional interest cost..............1.4t................Both Parties
.7t each
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War in Iraq and Afghan................1.3t...........am pro rating this between both GWB and Obama and since the DEM voted for the Iraq war...splitting between both REP and DEM 50/50

GWB...........................share of the wars..............1.04t
Obama.........................share of the wars............. .26t
REP...........................share of the wars............. .65t
DEM...........................share of the wars............. .65t
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Economic stimulus package ........800b..................Obama & DEMs
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2010 Tax Cuts.......................400b...................Split 50/50
between Obama and REP

Obama...............................Share of tax cuts...........200b
REP.................................Share of tax cuts...........200b
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2003 Medicaide Prescription .......300b......................GWB & REP
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2008 Financial Bailout.............200b......................GWB & DEM
shared 50/50

GWB share of financial bailout.....100b
DEM share of financial bailout.....100b
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100s of billion less in REV from the recession of 2008
Split 50/50 between GWB and DEM
GWB...............................100b
DEM...............................100b
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Other spending domestic, agri,defense...........less than 100b
Split 1/4 GWB and 3/4 DEM
GWB................................25b
DEM................................75b

Congress taping of the FICA Account.....4.6t

DEM ............................................................4.6t


So the tally and break down of the 14.3t debt is:

GWB.............................................................2.85t
Obama...........................................................1.46t
REP.............................................................2.95tt
DEM ............................................................6.725t


Note: Some is double accounted for both made the debt decisions jointly. Hence it does not add to 14.3t but to 14.5t

Clearly GWB debt is more than Obama's. But he was in office for 8 years compared to Obama's 3 yeas. While it the FICA tapping by Jimmy Carter and DEM that is the lion share of the DEM debt share.

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:-)<----------------You know it coming

The pending train wreck in Washington caused by the debt crisis reminds me much of multi car wreck in Monte Carlo. Were they had a 1m multi car accident of a Bentley ($363K), Austin Martin ($228K),
Porche 911 ($77K), Mercede S Class ($91k) and a Ferrari F340 ($186K).
The first car into the scrum was driven by a blonde. :-)

Someone might mention to these wealthy auto owners, it is easier to bump out the fender of a F-150 pick up. Than a high priced super duper.

Let us face facts, for the last two decades, Washington has been living super duper. And now when the train wreck is coming down the tracks. With the collision point being the oval office. All one has to know is that the trains are driven by the Reid/Polosi crew and the other is driven by the Boehener/Paul crew.

Washington has lived over its head. Over the head of the average American. Lived over the head of the illegal alien even. Both of the last two put in a honest day work. While in Washington DC, its a day of avoid and divide. Conquer and conquest. Now the two trains on the track are playing chicken with each other. Driven by people that see little eye to eye and less in person. They don't like each other after years of heated ideological debate.

Standing between the unrushing two trains in middle of the track waving a light signal to each train stands the President. Looking for Marine One to drop him a rope at the last instant to pull him to safety. Only Marine One is not in sight. And those two trains are might close.

Surely these wealthy auto owners in Monte Carlo represent the European elite. The same elite that so well backed Senator Obama in his presidency bid. Today they have a accident that cost thousands. The President is getting ready to have a accident that will cost Americans billions. And well should cost him a second term.

The morals of the story. Drive a Ford. It will get you to the same place a super duper will. And when you stand on the tracks with a pending train wreck coming at you, make sure you can see light at the end of the tunnel. You might just need to a make run for it. grin

RE: The worsening economic situation in the west is forcing the muggers of the world to invade countries

Just for sake of conversation. Was it not Qdaffi that invited the African merc into his coutry? To defend him? Does he not pay them a monthly salary? dunno

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I don't think that Rapheal, Dude, and Juan got into the Obama gold rush, Conrad. If you were a dedicated liberal....buying gold is not in your character. You check goes into the "Save the what ever project."

No this is were Obama is breaking liberal hearts.

They saw him coming in the Presidency and doing major wealth redistribution program. Bur to come in and first bailout Wall Street? the auto firms? big banks? They did not see that coming.

Nor did they see this big debt ceiling crisis coming. Heck the ceiling had been raised 90times. One more could not hurt. Suddenly the TEA Party and the conservative REP have found a rallying point. They manned the trenches in the debate. And we have a stalemate that is going to kill the AAA bond rating.

President Obama has made promises to China and his left base. Just one more debt ceiling increase .....you get all the bonds you want and you get all the 'free' benefits program you want. So he is stuck on the debt ceiling increase.

But down in the trenches....those nasty Tea Party and young Gun REP....are slicing away at his base in Congress and in supporters across the country.

Now Wall Street chimes in. They are 'laughing' at the WH proposed budget cuts and debt position. President Obama as we know is a very sensitive man. So he know if he fails their AAA rating.....he can take bug bucks from those Wall street pockets.

And that little old Moodys. Just think! Some small insignificant bond rating company can come in and just ruin your plans. Liberals are are already talk about devaluing the rater here. It must be those evil Bushney at work.

But now that the Obama Gold Rush is being exposee'. Liberals have to wonder. Is Obama really a social changer? Or is he just another special interest president that arranged this for his Chicago friends with a lot of gold laying around?

Cash any gold in recently? Rapheal? Dude? Juan? But I bet good old Louis Farracan did. I bet good old REV Wright did. I bet old Bill Ayers did.

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If you have notice Rapheal......everything has been falling for the last 4 days. S and P were down 200 point yesterday under the Obama administration fiscal policies.

Brokers are getting overwhelmed with investor phone calls. They have not seen anything like this since economic collapse of 2008. Obama has done it again! He is collapsing the US stock market again.

But I am making predictions on this.

1) Obama will veto any legislation on the debt deal that comes to him unless it meets with enough debt increase to sell to China.

2) Obama will drive the price of gold up to $2000 per ou. I think that is his goal. He is only $400 away, He has done pretty well so far. He has only nearly double it since taking office. It was $880 when he won in Nov of 2008. Today it is $1625.

So in a few days (after August 2nd) we can see if I am right, yes?

Both parties and Houses have met to make another joint bill. Some thing is on the table and headed to him. But Obama is going to veto it or stall it. That AAA rating does not matter to him. But that price of gold does.

This is just another way to pick the pockets of the rich clean, Rapheal
They had started to come back into the market. Now he is going to slice the market from under neath them.

By the way...better check the London gold prices before you make comments like the above

LOL...........

26th to the 27th of July gold jumped $13.25 while the US stock market fell 200 points. The price 30 days ago was $1483 and today is $1625.

So if you need help reading the bar graph, please ask Conrad.

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FYI

Know that the financial liberal whizards of America and Europe only want to talk about fiscal reform and fiscal accountability. Today when Senetor Nelson (D) of Florida contacted me with a email requesting suggestions from his constienants on the debt ceiling and this fiscal 'crisis'

I suggested that they sell some gold and silver bullion. And ask him the question. "Either we are broke and are in financial distress or we are a wealthy country; with resources, talented people, gold and silver reserves, and solid government. Which is it Senator? I tend to think that it is the later."

But Washington has so confused and crisis the country with Obama;s policies that we have lost our confidence.

Whether the Senate will place their gold and silver bullion into the fiscal equation, I don't know. But it is another option for them to consider. And it came from a Tea Party member. It certainly did not come the fiscal liberal whizards of America and Europe,

Herman Cain for President in 2012.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

I am so right here, Dude. Obama has used his position to make crisis after crisis. Each one driving up the gold and silver prices. They realized early in his administraion how shakey the world was.....the Woodward quote.

So they came up with a hedge plan increase the value of the US gold and silver bullion, Actually it is pretty smart. But they don't know when to stop.

So they are going to crisis the debt ceiling legislation....Obama
is going to veto it. It will throw the world in major depression....killing every thing that they have been trying to do.

LOL.....that is happens when you fib the big one. You don't know when to stop. Obama fibbed on the country being broke.....big time. They had loaded vault with bullion.

They just need to what is right for Americans on this. Which is sell some bullion, modify a raise dept ceiling level and don't increase the tax. Get our interest rates in line. But they ain't going to do it.

Who cares if China buys some bullion? Better bullion than bonds and long term debt. But Obama wants that long term debt going to China.
So he will veto anything that does not raise the debt ceiling.

By the way...Alan Greenspan....says this about gold and silver bullion.....when gold had hit $1000 per ou earlier.......
"the gain are strictly monetary gains an early indication to move
away from the paper currencies".

Unless they put gold and silver back into the M1 and M2 of the country.
Obama and company broke the piggie bank.

People are moving away from the paper Dollar. Into hard securities. That does not included paper bonds and T-Bills. Obama just wants the T-Bills and bonds because they are easy and quick trade with China.
Prescious metals takes selling normally. But not in this market.

Why can I say that? FOX is no longer running those gold and silver ads.
The gold and silver dealers have all the buyer that they can handle.
Which is another reason they close the Gold and Silver OTC board.
They were getting to many faulty trades.

RE: GOP knows that Obama will win a gain in 2012! GOP have gone chicken and knows that the battle is al

It is so easy Dude. They have tons and tons of precious metals. They sell some of it. Instead of raising the debt level and making all Americans pay for a failing government.

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