Wagner group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin feared dead in plane crash.

Wonder if :

A .This is factual.....

B. Was it an accident......

He was purportedly in Africa yesterday.dunno
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C. Is anyone surprised?
I was waiting for just that response. Would be staggering if it was" just an accident"innocent
My comment is as predictable as his demise, eh?
Well that looks like another of Putin's enemies been killed by his hit men. But good riddance any way.
Actually he was planing for Wagner to help Niger after the coup and the French interference.
His death is way too comfortable for the opposition of that.
But of course most of you can't see beyond Putin as he is sitting on your nose.
doh
live by the explosion die by the explosion sad flower
"A Wagner-linked Telegram channel has suggested that a plane carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin was shot down by Russian air defences.

Grey Zone, which has a close relationship to the paramilitary group, said: “Before the plane crash, two local residents listened to two bursts of characteristic air defence.

“This is confirmed by contrails in the sky in one of the videos, as well as the words of direct eyewitnesses.”"

The Daily Telegraph.
I say RIP.
He is old and needs to relax under a tree in death or otherwise.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

sad flower
Yeah, right.
roll eyes
Guess people will never know whether this was just an accident or otherwise and you really cannot blame people for their thoughts knowing how others have met with "accidents "in the past. Litvinenko springs to mind as do the Salisbury poisonings to name but a few.

As for Putin sitting on my nose. Perish the thought.barf
Crikey Luke he was the same age as you not old.wow
I think this could be a disappearing act...plenty of money to do so...if the price is right...but who knows...dunno
Dang jerk kept avoiding windows! Of course with Russia's trained military, might have mistook it for a Ukrainian drone. Too bad about the other 10. Or, it was just the normal nose first landing Russian planes seem to do.
If he died in Africa good luck getting a straight story out of that place, it's almost as bad as UK n US news.. laugh
LoL, not it was in Russia on a flight from Moscow to St. Petersburg. There are videos of it all. It seems his plane got hit by an S-300 Russian anti aircraft missile. Readers with good memory will remember when some Iranian military men accidentally mistook a passenger plane taking off from Tehran for an incoming enemy bomber and shot it down. There are many possible scenarios here.
A) drunk Russian air defense personnel decided the passenger jet was a drone.
B) Putin ordered the hit (what remains of Wagner likes this one and has vowed revenge).
C) The Russian Defense Minister, on his own authority, ordered it done.
D) Loyal to Putin and Z members of Russia's military did it on their own authority.
E) Like the failed march on the Kremlin it is all fake, Prigozhin was not on the plane and the people killed were just sacrificed window dressing to make it look like he is dead.

Besides the video of the shoot down, there are now publicly available (watch the video below. (Skip the first 15 minutes. The plane video followed by on the ground wreckage views) is the first topic after that.) images of the wreckage showing the many shrapnel punctures in the airplane skin which only come from an anti aircraft missile spewing shrapnel.

Tomorrow is the anniversary of Ukraine's independence. Many there regard the death of these war criminals as a marvelous gift to Ukraine. that the death of Russia's best field commander may have been at the order of Putin is a great source of humor to many. Of course whoever ordered it, the participation of Wagner in Syria and Niger just kind of went pffft. Dean man walking I called him two months ago (to the day). I was right. LoL professor

Point me in the right direction then .What news do you read that is always factual.dunno
Of course Putin saw to his death they themselves will investigate & anyone with a brain won't believe their propaganda Everyone knew he wasn't going to let Yevgeny embarrass him..When it comes to Putin people accidentally trip & fall out of windows or are poisoned
If you take the job that he was doing and he survived until now, trust me he is old, very old.
This should be classified as an assassination
You are asking a question you should be ready to receive answers you don't like.
Or what's the point of it all.
Livinenko worked for KGB and FSB, then run into UK arms and traded information for comfortable life.
In short a traitor.
No place for comparison here. Livinenko was a national threat and yet nobody knows who actually killed him.
Prigozhin was a threat for the Western interests in Africa. He offered military help.
I can think of at least few who would have had him killed in an instance.
But I believe it will only fuel the rebelian of African countries against their blood sucking colonialists.
As for Putin, just read all your post for him.
It's eye poking. dunno
Interesting what you are privy of!laugh
Interesting Video!
Unlike yourself I'm open to all comments. I read so much from so many with pro's and cons it sometimes into a minefield.sigh
Was this an approved flight path because they were flying towards Vladimir Putin's residence in Valday, where surface-to-air missile / anti-aircraft missile regiments are installed. So maybe a case of shoot first and ask questions later.
The plane was a private Embraer jet carrying seven passengers and three crew members, according to Russia’s emergency services ministry.

It had departed from Moscow and was en route to St. Petersburg when it crashed near the village of Kuzhenkino, in Russia’s western Tver region, Russian officials said. Flight data shows the plane reached an altitude of some 28,000 feet before it suddenly stopped transmitting tracking details.

The bodies of eight people have been found at the crash site, according to Russian state media. The official state news agency TASS reported the plane “burned up” on impact. It had been in the air for about half an hour.

“Upon freefall the Embraer plane wreckage broke apart across a 2 km area away from the village where most of the fuselage wreckage was found,” state media outlet Russia 24 reported Thursday. “The majority of the wreckage fell near agricultural enterprises.”
Seems they are not wasting time in replacing Prigozhin.

Salisbury poisoning commander is tipped to replace him in Russia’s African operations .

Major General Andrey Averyanov, is the head of the Covert Operations Unit in the G.R.U and has previously been implicated in carrying out foreign assassinations on behalf of Putin, including the 2018 nerve agent attack in Salisbury.
For some reason autocorrect decided to skip the T...doh
I don't know why the foreign interest is left out of this situation?!
It it the strongest and most urgent one in this picture.
Africa is slipping away and it must worry a few countries.
I am afraid I'll have to kill you if I tell you laugh
One thing is for sure, I have a looong file somewhere in someone's office and it's getting longer by the day.
There's no finger icon to point you in the right direction on here Tiger, basically an X rated info block or a eastern media block could be in your net experience...

And then there's Ken, he's got the info to rule the world Tiger.. wave
Although some of the writers here appear to be intentionally ignoring the video footage (Enforcer YT link above) from the crash scene clearly showing flak / shrapnel holes in the plane body's fuselage or the fact that the Kremlin began announcing the man's death almost synonymous with the plane hitting the ground well before emergency units could arrive at the crash site and even begin to check for survivors, fret not. The latest official version is that whoever was piloting the plane appeared to have turned off the plane's transponder shortly after taking off. This caused it to display on Russian air defense radars in the vicinity of the shoot down as an unknown air craft, probably a drone. This justified the neutralizing of an apparent threat.

Well that version came from the Russian Ministry of Defense about 2 hours ago. We won't know for a few more hours if the Kremlin wants to keep that version, or if it will disappear from the MoD website and be replaced by something else such as a flock of pigeons hit the plane, or the plane design was faulty. Such is life in Russia.

Noitng normally in a normal commercial aircraft crash investigation the plane manufacturer also has people participating in the investigation. The Brazilian company that made this plane today confirmed they have not been invited to participate.

Prigozhin's new theme song
An interesting thing that the journalist should choose 'feared' in the headline - lazy cliche journalism perhaps. Why feared instead of believed or reported for example. I wonder who would be afraid he might have died?
The Wagner men who were not on the plane. Because almost immediately things began happening on the fround to them in Rostov, Belarus, etc.
Well one thing springs to mind with this plane crash .

May Day May Day

Seems there was absolutely no contact from the pilot to ground control.I find that rather strange don't you.

Guess we will never know the truth ,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.handshake
I am not \(given the holes in the fuselage and the smoke trail of an apparent missile) that shocked that nothing was heard from the plane after the explosion. The crew was probably already dead or dying.

That Russian farmer did a pretty good job of capturing things with his camera. Probably, given the area, Putin never anticipated someone on the ground would have a camera in hand and be able to take the images he did. The farmer heard the explosions and immediately pivoted his camera upwards and captured the video of Prigozhin's plane. I lifted the image below from the video which is btw the first video in Enforcer's YouTube above.

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That is a fairly typical anti-aircraft missile smoke trail that you see after one goes off and throws out it's load of shrapnel. If you watch some of the videos from Ukraine and the various drone downings you see a lot of such smoke trails. The contrail of the missile going up, the puff where it exploded and the fan shaped contrail the shrapnel leaves as it disperses. Woe to everyone in the path of that lethal hail of shrapnel.

The farmer and his family heard two explosions before they looked up and began filming. His was not the only video of the downing, but it is the best showing yes Virginia, it was a missile. There is other video of the plane going down showing it had a fair sized hole in the fuselage (which probably explains the 2 missing bodies (who will probably be found by smell eventually) and the tail section fluttering it's own path downwards.
Prigozhin forgot one Cardinal Rule! And the King struck back!

Ralph Waldo Emerson — 'When you strike at a king, you must kill him.'
An interesting thing Enforcer picked up on in his latest podcast. Olga's TV show aired a video of a plane falling out of the sky which she identified as footage of Prigozhin's plane from someone else's camera. However it showed a falling Antonov 25, not the kind of plane Prigozhin was in. So checking his own video files of ptior podcasts he made, Enforcer identified the clip Olga was claiming was Prigozhin's plane as being a video of one of the jets Wagner shot down 2 months ago during the fake coup.

There are a dew explanations for such a glitch. Russian state TV has a staff that is completely incompetent. Or, The bosses of Russian state TV, being incompetent themselves assume their audience also is. Either way this is further proof that Russian state TV should not be one's first go to for accurate news.
Ken...

I have doubts about the report of Prigozhin's death...he seems too valuable...

His loyalty to Putin from other stories and him referring to Putin as Papa and his wealth makes me wonder if this is staged not unlike the withdrawal of prigozhin's army before entering Moscow...confused

Staging a plane crash which includes people dying as a result is not a problem for Putin...they are just cannon fodder...he can order poisoning for his political detractors...why not stage a death...

It would be interesting to know what becomes of Prigozhin's money...
and his army of criminals...
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