Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun? ( Archived) (673)

Aug 6, 2009 1:32 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
USThumper: No gun ever shot anyone all by itself. Someone pulled the trigger.


Yeh but if there were no guns then no trigger will be pulleddunno
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Aug 6, 2009 1:32 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
JMO...Guns kill..People Kill
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Aug 6, 2009 1:32 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
USThumper
USThumperUSThumperMexico, New York USA4 Threads 3,957 Posts
Fresh venison, love it.thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up bouquet
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Aug 6, 2009 1:44 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Ridge138: I ask that everyone only post their views on the subject,and remember to respect each other. I'm pro-firearms,I don't own them for hunting and target shooting alone,I own them for defense of my life,my rights,and my country. Anyone else a gun owner?


Although I am pro-gun, I am going to play devils advocate.

Although I consider myself a strong supporter of the 2nd Ammendment, I understand the point of view that the ammendment itself is outdated. Yes, I know there is no expiration , but what I mean is, we have grown by leaps & bounds beyond what our founding fathers could have ever imagined as far as technology in weaponry. We can now take the head off a person at over 2000M if we buy the right weapon. Is this type of weapon truely what our founding fathers had in mind? Did they realize that one man could sit almost a mile away from a target and with the squeeze of a trigger, cripple this country by it's leaders being targeted?

Yes I understand & agree that most are responsible with their firearms, but what about those that have sinister plans or even those who are irresponsible with them. In todays world we find ourselves giving up certain concessions to the government for our security. We are subject to warrantless searches, and in this digital age, we are tracked by our social security number and the government knows everything about us. Yet , hundreds if not thousands die a year from simple firearm accidents.

We no longer live in a world where hunting in our society is our source of food. We can drive down to the grocery store and be surrounded by a wide array of well cut meat.

Then there is the criminal element. Wouldn't it be nice for the police to be able to tack on another 5-10 years prison sentence on someone that is a known criminal but the police can't build a case? Not to mention, we would not have to worry about the lone wolfs of the world that act our their aggressions in such cowardly ways as shooting unarmed civilians such as the recent shooting near Pittsburgh in which 3 people died and the Washington D.C. attack in which a security guard died. Maybe had these individuals weapons been seized, these people still today could be living in peace with their families.

I know that is the right of an American to bear arms (although this has yet to be specifically defined by the Supreme Court), however, at what cost? How many deaths at the hands of firearms will it take to be enough to say that they should not be in the hands of anyone? Will it take a member of your family being a victim of such a crime to change your opinion?

Then there is the "well criminals will get weapons regardless" argument. Well, guess where most of those firearms come from? They are stolen from the homes of irresponsible gun owners. Very rarely does a criminal go to a retail or gunshop to buy a weapon. They want nothing that can be traced back to them. If police confiscate weapons from the civilian population, then there will be nothing to steal, or any gun shops or retail outlets to buy them from.


Again, personally I am very pro-gun and just wanted to throw out a perspective that the anti-gun community may convey.
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Aug 6, 2009 1:45 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
Da10th: Although I am pro-gun, I am going to play devils advocate.

Although I consider myself a strong supporter of the 2nd Ammendment, I understand the point of view that the ammendment itself is outdated. Yes, I know there is no expiration , but what I mean is, we have grown by leaps & bounds beyond what our founding fathers could have ever imagined as far as technology in weaponry. We can now take the head off a person at over 2000M if we buy the right weapon. Is this type of weapon truely what our founding fathers had in mind? Did they realize that one man could sit almost a mile away from a target and with the squeeze of a trigger, cripple this country by it's leaders being targeted?

Yes I understand & agree that most are responsible with their firearms, but what about those that have sinister plans or even those who are irresponsible with them. In todays world we find ourselves giving up certain concessions to the government for our security. We are subject to warrantless searches, and in this digital age, we are tracked by our social security number and the government knows everything about us. Yet , hundreds if not thousands die a year from simple firearm accidents.

We no longer live in a world where hunting in our society is our source of food. We can drive down to the grocery store and be surrounded by a wide array of well cut meat.

Then there is the criminal element. Wouldn't it be nice for the police to be able to tack on another 5-10 years prison sentence on someone that is a known criminal but the police can't build a case? Not to mention, we would not have to worry about the lone wolfs of the world that act our their aggressions in such cowardly ways as shooting unarmed civilians such as the recent shooting near Pittsburgh in which 3 people died and the Washington D.C. attack in which a security guard died. Maybe had these individuals weapons been seized, these people still today could be living in peace with their families.

I know that is the right of an American to bear arms (although this has yet to be specifically defined by the Supreme Court), however, at what cost? How many deaths at the hands of firearms will it take to be enough to say that they should not be in the hands of anyone? Will it take a member of your family being a victim of such a crime to change your opinion?

Then there is the "well criminals will get weapons regardless" argument. Well, guess where most of those firearms come from? They are stolen from the homes of irresponsible gun owners. Very rarely does a criminal go to a retail or gunshop to buy a weapon. They want nothing that can be traced back to them. If police confiscate weapons from the civilian population, then there will be nothing to steal, or any gun shops or retail outlets to buy them from.


Again, personally I am very pro-gun and just wanted to throw out a perspective that the anti-gun community may convey.


Very well said..

I am glad here in Canada you cant have weapons like those just laying around...
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Aug 6, 2009 1:48 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
cameraman: The Constitution calls for a well armed militia when needed. Can't have that if guns are made illegal. Sooo, I'm pro-gun.
We have a well regulated militia in the National Guard. They have the same weaponry that the federal army has.
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Aug 6, 2009 1:50 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Da10th: We have a well regulated militia in the National Guard. They have the same weaponry that the federal army has.


Best thing about the National Guard is, that it is manned by local residents of the community who have a vested interest in the security of their community and they have the firepower to perform their duties. Nowhere does it say that we have a right to a regulated CIVILIAN milita.
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Aug 6, 2009 1:55 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
I only use my guns to kill people and to perform robberies like banks and 7/11's ....only had to shoot one little old lady once as she refused to give up her walker...hey it was a good one ,you know the one with wheels on the front legs......dunno
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Aug 6, 2009 1:55 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Da10th: We have a well regulated militia in the National Guard. They have the same weaponry that the federal army has.


Thanks, brother. That's exactly how one rational person would like to think just the way you explained it in your earlier post.
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Aug 6, 2009 1:57 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
jessejess47: I only use my guns to kill people and to perform robberies like banks and 7/11's ....only had to shoot one little old lady once as she refused to give up her walker...hey it was a good one ,you know the one with wheels on the front legs......
OMG the one with the wheels! How did you get so lucky to score that?!?! I've been looking for one for about a year now and all I can find are old ladies with regular old pick up & push walkers.mumbling laugh
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Aug 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Da10th: OMG the one with the wheels! How did you get so lucky to score that?!?! I've been looking for one for about a year now and all I can find are old ladies with regular old pick up & push walkers.
well I live in a retirement community so the hunting is like a baited patch....professor grin
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Aug 6, 2009 2:00 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
i find the mindset of the gun owners very disturbing and frightening. These gun owners can claim all they want that they own the guns because they want to defend themselves and what not, but in reality, from a psychological point of view, most of them carrying violent minds consciously or unconsciously. And i am sorry if i offend the gun owners here.
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Aug 6, 2009 2:08 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
mnowsa: i find the mindset of the gun owners very disturbing and frightening. These gun owners can claim all they want that they own the guns because they want to defend themselves and what not, but in reality, from a psychological point of view, most of them carrying violent minds consciously or unconsciously. And i am sorry if i offend the gun owners here.
you do not offend me ,but you certainly do not understand about ALL gun owners. I have several and abhor violence of any type. to say this is no differant than to say all muslums are suicide bombers, or all Irish are drunks ect. it simply is not true.dunno
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Aug 6, 2009 2:24 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
jessejess47: you do not offend me ,but you certainly do not understand about ALL gun owners. I have several and abhor violence of any type. to say this is no differant than to say all muslums are suicide bombers, or all Irish are drunks ect. it simply is not true.


Then why you keep them, bro?!confused
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Aug 6, 2009 2:27 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
pastortim
pastortimpastortimAland, Aland Islands Finland32 Threads 29 Polls 243 Posts
That is so cool to see even women supporting guns in here on this site. I believe everyone should own a gun and be able to defend themselves and their families in every Country.
I knew and elderly woman who defended herself by using her gun when a crook broke into her house late one night, all she did was point the gun at him and hold him till the police arrived. If she had not had a gun, its hard to say what could have happened, but it saved her life I believe. There are thousands of stories of how an armed civilians had saved their own life when there was no one else around to help.

Pro-Gun all the way. As for freedom and keeping it, a well armed society is a free society and freedom was won by the gun and the brave men and women who had the courage to use it to defend their God given rights.

God Bless you all
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Aug 6, 2009 2:29 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
pastortim: That is so cool to see even women supporting guns in here on this site. I believe everyone should own a gun and be able to defend themselves and their families in every Country.
I knew and elderly woman who defended herself by using her gun when a crook broke into her house late one night, all she did was point the gun at him and hold him till the police arrived. If she had not had a gun, its hard to say what could have happened, but it saved her life I believe. There are thousands of stories of how an armed civilians had saved their own life when there was no one else around to help.

Pro-Gun all the way. As for freedom and keeping it, a well armed society is a free society and freedom was won by the gun and the brave men and women who had the courage to use it to defend their God given rights.

God Bless you all


Well this woman dont think its cool at all..

If someone broke in here and i shot him..then its me who will go to jail...

It happen so many times..someone trying to protect themselves and the theifs got away..and the one who use the gun to protect themselves ended up in Jail..Go figuredunno
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Aug 6, 2009 2:31 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
mnowsa: Then why you keep them, bro?!
it is a sport my son enjoy from time to time ...we target shoot and skeet shoot and the latter is in fact an olympic Sport as well ....dunno handshake
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Aug 6, 2009 2:32 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
Sparky55
Sparky55Sparky55Somewhere, Afghanistan48 Threads 1 Polls 2,678 Posts
pastortim: That is so cool to see even women supporting guns in here on this site. I believe everyone should own a gun and be able to defend themselves and their families in every Country.
I knew and elderly woman who defended herself by using her gun when a crook broke into her house late one night, all she did was point the gun at him and hold him till the police arrived. If she had not had a gun, its hard to say what could have happened, but it saved her life I believe. There are thousands of stories of how an armed civilians had saved their own life when there was no one else around to help.

Pro-Gun all the way. As for freedom and keeping it, a well armed society is a free society and freedom was won by the gun and the brave men and women who had the courage to use it to defend their God given rights.

God Bless you all


I had a similar experiance that I mentioned in an earlier thread a couple of weeks ago. No telling what would have happened and I'm grateful I didn't have to find out.

I like that fact I can own a gun but I also understand why some don't feel the need to have one and/or don't like them. To each their own..
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Aug 6, 2009 2:33 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
snoopy1
snoopy1snoopy1st george, Utah USA8 Threads 46 Posts
i own guns. we will need them to defend ourselves
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Aug 6, 2009 2:33 PM CST Pro-Gun/Anti-Gun?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
jessejess47: it is a sport my son enjoy from time to time ...we target shoot and skeet shoot and the latter is in fact an olympic Sport as well ....


so in other words, you don't keep them to "defend" yourself..i mean you would never use it on another human being to protect you and your family. am i right?
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