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Jun 27, 2016 11:09 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
Capricorn143: I have watched a TV crew interviewing people on the street - everyone said the main reason for voting out was immigration from Muslim countries. I am also curious what the UK will do to stop the Muslims - well, not accepting Merkel's ridicuous quota is a start although it is a very little step forwards in terms of numbers.


found this interesting cap...


Xenophobia exists in basically every country on Earth. The UK is no exception: Polling data shows high levels of hostility to immigrants going back decades before mass immigration began. But the huge increase in immigration in the past 20 years made this sentiment politically potent, fueling an anti-immigrant backlash.

Over the course of the past 20 years, the percentage of Britons ranking "immigration/race relations" as among the country’s most important issues has gone from near zero percent to about 45 percent. Seventy-seven percent of Brits today believe that immigration levels should be reduced.



As a result, anti-immigrant demagoguery has become politically potent. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), led by a Donald Trump–style populist demagogue named Nigel Farage, began life as an irrelevant anti-EU party in the early '90s. But in the past 10 years, UKIP’s poll numbers have soared: It got 4 million votes in the 2015 election, the third-largest national vote total in the country.



This is probably correct. The EU is by far Britain’s most important trading partner, and losing the privileged access to its markets granted by membership would likely be major shock.

But this framing of the debate — keeping immigrants out versus protecting Britain’s economy — is concerning. It means the question at stake in Brexit isn’t, "Immigration: good or bad?" It’s, "Immigration: is it so scary that it’s worth risking a recession to try to curb it?"

Harsh anti-immigrant sentiment has become normalized and routinized by the Brexit debate, making it simply a fact of British life.

And now Leave has won — proving that xenophobia not only is powerful in modern Britain but actually has the ability to shape the course of the country's entire future.

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Jun 27, 2016 11:19 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: found this interesting cap...Xenophobia exists in basically every country on Earth. The UK is no exception: Polling data shows high levels of hostility to immigrants going back decades before mass immigration began. But the huge increase in immigration in the past 20 years made this sentiment politically potent, fueling an anti-immigrant backlash.

Over the course of the past 20 years, the percentage of Britons ranking "immigration/race relations" as among the country’s most important issues has gone from near zero percent to about 45 percent. Seventy-seven percent of Brits today believe that immigration levels should be reduced.
As a result, anti-immigrant demagoguery has become politically potent. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), led by a Donald Trump–style populist demagogue named Nigel Farage, began life as an irrelevant anti-EU party in the early '90s. But in the past 10 years, UKIP’s poll numbers have soared: It got 4 million votes in the 2015 election, the third-largest national vote total in the country.
This is probably correct. The EU is by far Britain’s most important trading partner, and losing the privileged access to its markets granted by membership would likely be major shock.

But this framing of the debate — keeping immigrants out versus protecting Britain’s economy — is concerning. It means the question at stake in Brexit isn’t, "Immigration: good or bad?" It’s, "Immigration: is it so scary that it’s worth risking a recession to try to curb it?"

Harsh anti-immigrant sentiment has become normalized and routinized by the Brexit debate, making it simply a fact of British life.

And now Leave has won — proving that xenophobia not only is powerful in modern Britain but actually has the ability to shape the course of the country's entire future.




We don't ;like the Americans much eithergrin tongue
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Jun 27, 2016 11:28 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
YE~~AH!.......LETS MAKE AMERICA LEAVE US ALONE!

and let Texas have its secession.
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Jun 27, 2016 11:35 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
tomcatwarne: We don't ;like the Americans much either



how you doing cousin..wink
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Jun 27, 2016 11:40 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: how you doing cousin..


I don't like the people from the Isle of Wightgrin
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Jun 27, 2016 11:43 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
tomcatwarne: I don't like the people from the Isle of Wight


so you'd rather be with the people from the island of wong...laugh
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Jun 27, 2016 11:43 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
purr4mance: found this interesting cap...Xenophobia exists in basically every country on Earth. The UK is no exception: Polling data shows high levels of hostility to immigrants going back decades before mass immigration began. But the huge increase in immigration in the past 20 years made this sentiment politically potent, fueling an anti-immigrant backlash.

Over the course of the past 20 years, the percentage of Britons ranking "immigration/race relations" as among the country’s most important issues has gone from near zero percent to about 45 percent. Seventy-seven percent of Brits today believe that immigration levels should be reduced.
As a result, anti-immigrant demagoguery has become politically potent. The UK Independence Party (UKIP), led by a Donald Trump–style populist demagogue named Nigel Farage, began life as an irrelevant anti-EU party in the early '90s. But in the past 10 years, UKIP’s poll numbers have soared: It got 4 million votes in the 2015 election, the third-largest national vote total in the country.
This is probably correct. The EU is by far Britain’s most important trading partner, and losing the privileged access to its markets granted by membership would likely be major shock.

But this framing of the debate — keeping immigrants out versus protecting Britain’s economy — is concerning. It means the question at stake in Brexit isn’t, "Immigration: good or bad?" It’s, "Immigration: is it so scary that it’s worth risking a recession to try to curb it?"

Harsh anti-immigrant sentiment has become normalized and routinized by the Brexit debate, making it simply a fact of British life.

And now Leave has won — proving that xenophobia not only is powerful in modern Britain but actually has the ability to shape the course of the country's entire future.



Just proves that this issue is more important to people than anything else - I reckon it is a healthy survival instinct that has kicked in.

As for the the words like "xenophobia" and especially "islamophobia", I find them without meaning, like Maher said: how can it be phobia?
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Jun 27, 2016 11:55 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
Capricorn143: Just proves that this issue is more important to people than anything else - I reckon it is a healthy survival instinct that has kicked in.

As for the the words like "xenophobia" and especially "islamophobia", I find them without meaning, like Maher said: how can it be phobia?


i didn't see the maher episode. maybe you can link it for me.. please.

so the brits. are basically in survival mode when it comes to immigration and you and maher think it has nothing to do with race ?confused
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Jun 27, 2016 11:55 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: so you'd rather be with the people from the island of wong...
grin grin grin grin beer
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Jun 27, 2016 12:00 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
purr4mance: i didn't see the maher episode. maybe you can link it for me.. please.

so the brits. are basically in survival mode when it comes to immigration and you and maher think it has nothing to do with race ?


Exactly cheers

But it is clear that ordinary people do not want multiculti BS, so politicians should better listen.

I do not care about the skin colour, but I do care about the crappy "culture" they bring.

p.s. I love listening to Nigel Farage - he is a very good orator and his English is just perfect innocent
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Jun 27, 2016 12:00 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 27, 2016 12:03 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
Maher's episode is included in this link:



cheers
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Jun 27, 2016 12:08 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
Capricorn143: Exactly

But it is clear that ordinary people do not want multiculti BS, so politicians should better listen.

I do not care about the skin colour, but I do care about the crappy "culture" they bring.

p.s. I love listening to Nigel Farage - he is a very good orator and his English is just perfect


cap.,people are comparing him to trump with his populism and bombastic way of interacting with people. so if you like nigel you must like trump ?

but how can one change their culture ? only they can and i suspect it take a long period of evolution. if you accept muslims, you get their culture. one can't separate it.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:09 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts


thanks conversing
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Jun 27, 2016 12:10 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
purr4mance: cap.,people are comparing him to trump with his populism and bombastic way of interacting with people. so if you like nigel you must like trump ?

but how can one change their culture ? only they can and i suspect it will take a long period of evolution. if you accept muslims, you get their culture. one can't separate it.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:20 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
post #356 is posted for post #354
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Jun 27, 2016 12:50 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
purr4mance: by who?
By the EU law makers.
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Jun 27, 2016 12:58 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
TheRedSquirrel87
TheRedSquirrel87TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1 Threads 1,107 Posts
purr4mance: so the brits are becoming assertive and taking the "bull by the horns" and going it alone. do you think the border line extremists now have been pushed over the edge and will use brexit as an excuse to retaliate?


Over the long-term leaving will ease tensions IF by leaving the European Union we don't get the same number of immigrants, only browner. In the short-term some might get a little excited.
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Jun 27, 2016 1:00 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
KremaP
KremaPKremaPAt home, Shumen Bulgaria3,793 Posts
purr4mance: so the brits are becoming assertive and taking the "bull by the horns" and going it alone. do you think the border line extremists now have been pushed over the edge and will use brexit as an excuse to retaliate?






Everyone knows or heard at least one joke about the British tolerance.
But if you allow all that your nation fought and worked for to be sliced and given on a plate to someone who did nothing for that process, then you may be labelled as "stupid".
I personally think that many will take advantage of the Brexit, mayor of Calais wants to let all the illegals storm the border as they are no longer obliged to prevent that from happening, French border ends at the ocean... Other are trying to threat with higher taxes, but what I see is that money talk louder and this kind of problems will be settled quite easily.
I see today that after the anger towards Britain for having the guts the Euro-rats started looking for the problem in their own barn.
Junker will be the scrape goat and hopefully many others will follow.
There is no point in a Union that clearly doesn't work and what they have to concentrate now on is to find the mistakes and neutralise them...including wrong people and bad influence...
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Jun 27, 2016 1:19 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
allthegoodnamest
allthegoodnamestallthegoodnamestLondon, Essex, England UK40 Threads 4,697 Posts
England is still a European country.. The fact that they have chosen to leave the EU doesn't change anything other than to make & enforce their own laws & regulations.. The 2-3 years it will take to leave the EU , will give them the time & opportunity to negotiate trade deals with the rest of Europe .
Britain will still remain in the common market but can also trade with Asia , America & Africa, without being obligated to buy inferior & overpriced European produce .
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