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Jul 2, 2016 11:10 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
lifeisadream: ok!
(I had to google fuddy duddy)

What is wrong with having all those attributes -from time to time-?

rolling on the floor laughing


who said it was wrong ??
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Jul 2, 2016 11:13 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: don't be surprised if fantasy island sinks rather abruptly.


Your detachment from from reality underwhelms me.
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Jul 2, 2016 11:15 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
purr4mance: who said it was wrong ??



laugh

Thanks for the laugh.

Good day!


wave
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Jul 2, 2016 11:19 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
fuddy duddy..

rolling on the floor laughing

wave
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Jul 2, 2016 11:23 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
tomcatwarne: Your detachment from from reality underwhelms me.


from the guy living on fantasy island...

rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 2, 2016 11:25 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
purr4mance: from the guy living on fantasy island...


hows your fantasy progressing with whisper ???

wink
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Jul 2, 2016 11:30 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
lifeisadream: I am not an expert in economics either Felix but I do look for reliable information from people/institutions that know better and way better than I do.

Savings is one thing not having the benefit of EU trading agreements (lower tariffs) is another (although there is still a 2 years period to go) and the numbers are way higher than that.
Self determination? With a second vote (to revoke Brexit) proposed?

The article of my authors explain it.

I do prefer not to add to the falling of anything that will hurt lots of people but here is some info that might make you think twice.

(And it is not the Brexit which cause it is the Brexit that catalyze it) That is right London is big financial entity and I hope it does not fall because it will hurt into your knees and mine as well but I am assuming we both have strong knees, not so for many, many people.


the main reason for brexit is islamophobia.
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Jul 2, 2016 11:50 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
crayons
crayonscrayonsSt. Jo, Texas USA65 Threads 1,951 Posts
UK smart for getting out,
globalist EU worst mafia in the world.

poland learned when almost the entire government TNT'D nitro'd in a 2010 plane crash when opposing the EU global laundromat banks.
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Jul 2, 2016 12:17 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
felixis99: IDK, Life, I read this post (and I seldom read the long political posts) because in earlier conversations with you I admitted my lack of knowledge on Brexit.

To me it seems the calculation we really need to see is whether what the UK might lose outpaces what they save in EU membership dues (that was somewhere between 200-350 million depending on the news source and what authority we believe). That's a pretty big savings.

That savings plus the increased self determination gained seem like pretty good reasons to exit. Also, why would a US -Japanese trade deal require the UK to depend on the EU? That doesn't make sense. They might be better off entering it as a 3rd party with the US and Japan. Fact is, the UK now has the opportunity to negotiate it's own trade deals. London is long a financial hub. I am sure they are quite capable.

So even if your author is right and there is a temporary economic loss to GB (which I doubt), I am sure they can find enough trade partners to turn that around.


Hi Felixis wave

From what I have read UK sends approx 6.5 billion per year to EU.
It is estimated that being part of the EU common market, that this figure easily comes back into their economy.

No doubt the UK will survive, financially, they are too big a player and a market not to.
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Jul 2, 2016 12:21 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
Let Germany Offer Young Britons Citizenship, Merkel Deputy Says

Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel suggested that Germany could offer citizenship to young Britons, saying they shouldn’t be punished by the majority that voted to leave the European Union in the U.K. referendum.

“They wanted to stay in Europe because they know the world is changing” and the U.K. can’t go it alone, Gabriel said in a speech to a Social Democratic Party conference in Berlin on Saturday. “So it’s a good sign that young people in Britain are smarter than their strange political elite.”

In the 18-to-24 age bracket, more than 70 percent voted ‘Remain’ in the June 23 Brexit referendum, according to YouGov polling, while 52 percent of the country as a whole voted to leave the EU. That split should inspire the Social Democrats to expand their long-standing push for Germany to ease the granting of dual citizenship, Gabriel said.

“Let us also offer it to young Britons who live in Germany, France or Italy, so they can stay EU citizens in this country,” said Gabriel, who heads the SPD, the junior partner in German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition.

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Jul 2, 2016 12:21 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: hows your fantasy progressing with whisper ???


Didn't you realise you were on a dating siterolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing grin grin tongue
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Jul 2, 2016 12:27 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
tomcatwarne: Didn't you realise you were on a dating site


rolling on the floor laughing

i thought this was a hillary clinton sponsored propaganda platform.
doh
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Jul 2, 2016 12:40 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: i thought this was a hillary clinton sponsored propaganda platform.


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing You have a good sense of humour as Whisper might say, you are a ship in wolfies clothin.
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Jul 2, 2016 12:44 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
tomcatwarne: You have a good sense of humour as Whisper might say, you are a ship in wolfies clothin.


she might ???

rolling on the floor laughing

heading downtown

later mr. tom

wave
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Jul 2, 2016 12:50 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
purr4mance: she might ???



heading downtown

later mr. tom


Have a good onwave
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Jul 2, 2016 5:04 PM CST leave = brexit consequences
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
purr4mance: she might ???...



it looks like sometimes people talk to themselves giggle
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Jul 3, 2016 1:38 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
some here told me that the will of people cannot/will not be ignored in the UK, the same people even said that such a thing can only happen in my country or other Eastern European countries, but no the democratic UK:



Can you see it happening? Isn't this stalling to trigger article 50 a sign? It seems to me that the more time passes, the more threats from the EU, bankers etc. are expressed, the remain camp will get louder and louder and the Parliament will use its "remain majority" (this is suggested in the above letter by an academic) and the UK leave camp will be history.
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Jul 3, 2016 1:54 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Capricorn143: some here told me that the will of people cannot/will not be ignored in the UK, the same people even said that such a thing can only happen in my country or other Eastern European countries, but no the democratic UK:



Can you see it happening? Isn't this stalling to trigger article 50 a sign? It seems to me that the more time passes, the more threats from the EU, bankers etc. are expressed, the remain camp will get louder and louder and the Parliament will use its "remain majority" (this is suggested in the above letter by an academic) and the UK leave camp will be history.
I hope you are wrong but think you are right . I doubt the UK can get out without further bloodshed . The passive moral majority is caught between two fires , ideology inspired left and the vested interests on the right , hopefully Austria will cause Merkel and co to STFU while UK slips the noose without more deaths .
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Jul 3, 2016 1:56 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
lifeisadream: it looks like sometimes people talk to themselves
Look , its the only person I can get any sense out of half the time dunno
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Jul 3, 2016 2:29 AM CST leave = brexit consequences
the EU constitution promised to underwrite borrowings of its members, they appear to have ignored undertakings the Greeks and the Cypriots should have been protected by.

Then as you talking to yourself you might firstly consider the extent of debit held by EU members and read on...

European financial stability measures and EU law
Article 123(1) TFEU which generally prohibits either the ECB or the national banks of Member States from providing credit facilities to or purchasing debt instruments from Member States10;

Although Article 123(1) prohibits credit facilities, including loans like those provided to Greece, its provisions only apply to the ECB and Member State national banks. At this stage, available information indicates that the loans are provided by Member States rather than national banks. Therefore, the loans do not appear to be prohibited by Article 123(1). It has also been suggested that the loans could be contrary to Article 125(1) TFEU (often referred to as “the no bailout clause”). The Member States are only providing loans and not grants or guarantees. Furthermore, there is no evidence that the Member States are otherwise assuming or becoming directly liable for Greece’s debt obligations. Therefore, it is doubtful that Article 125(1) would prohibit the Member State loans to Greece.



OCTOBER 10, 2012
GERMAN CONSTITUTIONAL COURT ON THE RATIFICATION OF THE ESM TREATY AND OF THE FISCAL COMPACT
On the 12th September 2012, the German Constitutional Court issued its much-expected third judgment on the constitutionality of measures that have been taken at the level of European and international law in response to the ongoing sovereign debt crises in the Eurozone and the crisis of the currency union that resulted thereof.




Related ECB opinions



The EU Financial Crisis –
European Law and
Constitutional
Law Implications

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