leave = brexit consequences (786)
truheart1941: ..more to the point.......how yer belly off for spots..
No spots.........I have a cream I make myself, to stop them
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northland64bryan: Thank you U.K. for telling the EU to KISS IT!
To be manipulated by an organization to be forced to take agreements such as the movement of people is insane.
The EU benefits the elites not the working class your guests live better then you.
We have the same problems in the States and hopefully it can be turned around by next election....it's a nightmare that needs an end.
Borders,culture,and language....is everything!
To be manipulated by an organization to be forced to take agreements such as the movement of people is insane.
The EU benefits the elites not the working class your guests live better then you.
We have the same problems in the States and hopefully it can be turned around by next election....it's a nightmare that needs an end.
Borders,culture,and language....is everything!
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He left it too.
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Meanwhile, in the real world...
"There is a crisis in Egypt, Boris Johnson"
"Johnson was holding a press conference designed to showcase the continuing closeness of the UK-US special relationship in the wake of Brexit, as well as the joint commitment to finding a solution to the crisis in Syria.
Johnson twice referred to the crisis in Egypt, but was believed to be referring to Turkey.
"There is a crisis in Egypt, Boris Johnson"
"Johnson was holding a press conference designed to showcase the continuing closeness of the UK-US special relationship in the wake of Brexit, as well as the joint commitment to finding a solution to the crisis in Syria.
Johnson twice referred to the crisis in Egypt, but was believed to be referring to Turkey.
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Bogart_1960: Meanwhile, in the real world...
"There is a crisis in Egypt, Boris Johnson"
"Johnson was holding a press conference designed to showcase the continuing closeness of the UK-US special relationship in the wake of Brexit, as well as the joint commitment to finding a solution to the crisis in Syria.
Johnson twice referred to the crisis in Egypt, but was believed to be referring to Turkey.
"There is a crisis in Egypt, Boris Johnson"
"Johnson was holding a press conference designed to showcase the continuing closeness of the UK-US special relationship in the wake of Brexit, as well as the joint commitment to finding a solution to the crisis in Syria.
Johnson twice referred to the crisis in Egypt, but was believed to be referring to Turkey.
He made a right codswollop of his reaction to Munich yesterday too.
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Capricorn143: The link:
Have not read it, started and after the first two points that sound just like: people are too stupid, only the elite should decide.
Not following post brexit, however, I think I saw an article about IMF admitting their doom and gloom was wrong.
Have not read it, started and after the first two points that sound just like: people are too stupid, only the elite should decide.
Not following post brexit, however, I think I saw an article about IMF admitting their doom and gloom was wrong.
Thank you
I suppose point 1 can be construed in that way, but not point 2 imo.
The 15 other points are well worth reading imo.
I read that from the IMF. Also yesterday the PMI issued figures which show a negative impact.
Am not so sure about doom and gloom as the UK is too big not to survive, and survive well, but I think most financial analysts would agree they will be worse off post Brexit.
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Aragorn11: Thank you
I suppose point 1 can be construed in that way, but not point 2 imo.
The 15 other points are well worth reading imo.
I read that from the IMF. Also yesterday the PMI issued figures which show a negative impact.
Am not so sure about doom and gloom as the UK is too big not to survive, and survive well, but I think most financial analysts would agree they will be worse off post Brexit.
I suppose point 1 can be construed in that way, but not point 2 imo.
The 15 other points are well worth reading imo.
I read that from the IMF. Also yesterday the PMI issued figures which show a negative impact.
Am not so sure about doom and gloom as the UK is too big not to survive, and survive well, but I think most financial analysts would agree they will be worse off post Brexit.
Will read the rest then. However, I do not believe a single word these so called analysts, experts in economy say - just look at austerity measures in Europe.
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Capricorn143: Will read the rest then. However, I do not believe a single word these so called analysts, experts in economy say - just look at austerity measures in Europe.
I think removing oneself from the single biggest market in the world, with a GDP highly reliant on financial services, and running the risk of losing their banking passport if they exit, will only lead to more self imposed austerity.
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Doomed,I tell's ya,doomed!
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Brexit...will not kill Britain....greed and lies...will, by our so called leaders,as with the rest of the world.gone are the days....when a couple could get married.buy a home/raise a family..even then a car was a luxury....1950/60.....house prices have shot though the roof/as with cars. rising taxes/increase.of all insured items/ etc....young married couples nowdays....both have to work...just to keep a roof over their heads..its no wonder there are more divorces...then ever...brougt on by sheer stress...trying to hold onto what you have...already. and who is the culprit.... the none thinking ,,whos cares...the im alright jack....leaders of ours coutries....they are the ones how should be brougt to justice.....and asked why...are we in this state...dont blame the people.......if they answer because of GREED,,,elect that person.......at least he/she are being honest.jmho.
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Just get rid of the exploding ones and we´ll be fine
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Aragorn11: I think removing oneself from the single biggest market in the world, with a GDP highly reliant on financial services, and running the risk of losing their banking passport if they exit, will only lead to more self imposed austerity.
Although I can see what you mean, as I have said before: a man is not only about the money, at this moment the people prioritized something else. Frankly, I do not believe in the doom and gloom for the UK, if it wee a small country like mine....hm...probably another story although I would vote out any time regardless of the financial consequences!
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Aragorn11: I think removing oneself from the single biggest market in the world, with a GDP highly reliant on financial services, and running the risk of losing their banking passport if they exit, will only lead to more self imposed austerity.
The biggest sector - the financial services will have to obey EU rules, and even have to open their books to inspection by EU auditors. interesting to see May approach´s.
interesting reading..
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Bogart_1960: The biggest sector - the financial services will have to obey EU rules, and even have to open their books to inspection by EU auditors. interesting to see May approach´s. interesting reading..
Going to run here Bogart
Did you read the open letter from the Canadian High Commissioner to Cameron on previous page.
Interested to see what you think.
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Capricorn143: Although I can see what you mean, as I have said before: a man is not only about the money, at this moment the people prioritized something else. Frankly, I do not believe in the doom and gloom for the UK, if it wee a small country like mine....hm...probably another story although I would vote out any time regardless of the financial consequences!
Nope its not always about the money but it helps.
Scientific Research in the UK receive stipends from the EU and work closely with other centres within the EU on medical research etc. Brexit will also affect this area, where pooled resources of money, research and intelligence actually help.
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Aragorn11: Going to run here Bogart
Did you read the open letter from the Canadian High Commissioner to Cameron on previous page.
Interested to see what you think.
Did you read the open letter from the Canadian High Commissioner to Cameron on previous page.
Interested to see what you think.
going to. need to change to pc.. .
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Aragorn11: Going to run here Bogart
Did you read the open letter from the Canadian High Commissioner to Cameron on previous page.
Interested to see what you think.
Did you read the open letter from the Canadian High Commissioner to Cameron on previous page.
Interested to see what you think.
I can understand that this type of articles do not appear in the UK “sensationalist’s media”, as it is too “direct”, real, and thought-provoking!.
basically totally agree (exception 2 - "Never call a referendum without being sure of the outcome" – either favor referendum or not – not using it when it is “good” ). by norm, I am against the idea of referendums, as it is "redundant in parliamentary system".
few points:
1. There is a established pattern of lying in the political system in UK (same as everywhere - the political system is dominated by 2 parties basically, and no new ideas/party has been validated), and no real consequences from their actions.
2. A succession of UK governments has hidden their incompetence by blaming the EU -of course it’s easy to blame the EU for every problem. if we analyze the real issue, the brexit´s anger against Brussels is more a manifestation of bad feeling against London, in fact. I’m curious about who are they going to blame in future if things go wrong.
3. regarding trading, well, UK will not only see serious trade barriers with the EU, if an agreement is not reached, with real impact in the economy. and if and agreement is reached (as expected) UK will have to put up large amounts of money (as does Norway and Switzerland), and no saying - so basically all stays the same, without Farage and his monkeys in Brussels.
4. regarding the financial services, UK doesn’t have the advantages of the bank structure of Switzerland or Luxembourg so there is no reason for financial services to stay in "declining economy"- hope not, but numbers are no good, and in my area we are experience some "moves" already.
5. Immigration issue (11, 12 and 13)- clear and precise.
I think Brexit is a great opportunity for EU to make the changes needed to improve itself, without the destructive actions of (most) UK MEPs, who have only block debate, ruin most of the reforms and act like a bunch of high school idiots at the back of the class.
UK will learn the hard way - with or no agreement, as both will show the real issues. “brexiters” may realize that they are screwed - choosing to leave a club means losing the benefits of being in the club in every aspect. Callais is open… but only for slow walkers. a taste of the future, for sure.
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Bogart_1960: I can understand that this type of articles do not appear in the UK “sensationalist’s media”, as it is too “direct”, real, and thought-provoking!.
basically totally agree (exception 2 - "Never call a referendum without being sure of the outcome" – either favor referendum or not – not using it when it is “good” ). by norm, I am against the idea of referendums, as it is "redundant in parliamentary system".
few points:
1. There is a established pattern of lying in the political system in UK (same as everywhere - the political system is dominated by 2 parties basically, and no new ideas/party has been validated), and no real consequences from their actions.
2. A succession of UK governments has hidden their incompetence by blaming the EU -of course it’s easy to blame the EU for every problem. if we analyze the real issue, the brexit´s anger against Brussels is more a manifestation of bad feeling against London, in fact. I’m curious about who are they going to blame in future if things go wrong.
3. regarding trading, well, UK will not only see serious trade barriers with the EU, if an agreement is not reached, with real impact in the economy. and if and agreement is reached (as expected) UK will have to put up large amounts of money (as does Norway and Switzerland), and no saying - so basically all stays the same, without Farage and his monkeys in Brussels.
4. regarding the financial services, UK doesn’t have the advantages of the bank structure of Switzerland or Luxembourg so there is no reason for financial services to stay in "declining economy"- hope not, but numbers are no good, and in my area we are experience some "moves" already.
5. Immigration issue (11, 12 and 13)- clear and precise.
I think Brexit is a great opportunity for EU to make the changes needed to improve itself, without the destructive actions of (most) UK MEPs, who have only block debate, ruin most of the reforms and act like a bunch of high school idiots at the back of the class.
UK will learn the hard way - with or no agreement, as both will show the real issues. “brexiters” may realize that they are screwed - choosing to leave a club means losing the benefits of being in the club in every aspect. Callais is open… but only for slow walkers. a taste of the future, for sure.
basically totally agree (exception 2 - "Never call a referendum without being sure of the outcome" – either favor referendum or not – not using it when it is “good” ). by norm, I am against the idea of referendums, as it is "redundant in parliamentary system".
few points:
1. There is a established pattern of lying in the political system in UK (same as everywhere - the political system is dominated by 2 parties basically, and no new ideas/party has been validated), and no real consequences from their actions.
2. A succession of UK governments has hidden their incompetence by blaming the EU -of course it’s easy to blame the EU for every problem. if we analyze the real issue, the brexit´s anger against Brussels is more a manifestation of bad feeling against London, in fact. I’m curious about who are they going to blame in future if things go wrong.
3. regarding trading, well, UK will not only see serious trade barriers with the EU, if an agreement is not reached, with real impact in the economy. and if and agreement is reached (as expected) UK will have to put up large amounts of money (as does Norway and Switzerland), and no saying - so basically all stays the same, without Farage and his monkeys in Brussels.
4. regarding the financial services, UK doesn’t have the advantages of the bank structure of Switzerland or Luxembourg so there is no reason for financial services to stay in "declining economy"- hope not, but numbers are no good, and in my area we are experience some "moves" already.
5. Immigration issue (11, 12 and 13)- clear and precise.
I think Brexit is a great opportunity for EU to make the changes needed to improve itself, without the destructive actions of (most) UK MEPs, who have only block debate, ruin most of the reforms and act like a bunch of high school idiots at the back of the class.
UK will learn the hard way - with or no agreement, as both will show the real issues. “brexiters” may realize that they are screwed - choosing to leave a club means losing the benefits of being in the club in every aspect. Callais is open… but only for slow walkers. a taste of the future, for sure.
Personally I think it's demeaning to the electorate, when politicians blatantly lie in their campaigns, and as you say its not just a Brexit issue, its endemic.
Unfortunately the Lib Dems are not the force that is needed so in effect its a 2 party system mostly built on class. The class system imo, is more in effect in Britain than any other western democracy.
Its has been easy for politicians to blame the EU, both in Britain and elsewhere, (have seen it so much in my own country), but its obfuscating the reality, and passing the buck imo. This touches on your point about the EU and the opportunity that has arisen. I hope they take the opportunity to improve itself and look inwardly for some of the reasons the Brexit vote happened. e.g. Commission v Parliament.
I hope some of that movement in the financial sector you refer to comes to Dublin
This was written just after the Brexit vote and I found it a great read. A long read but worth it.
''So the likeliest outcome I would have thought, is a betrayal of the white working class, they should be used to it by now''
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Aragorn11: Personally I think it's demeaning to the electorate, when politicians blatantly lie in their campaigns, and as you say its not just a Brexit issue, its endemic.
Unfortunately the Lib Dems are not the force that is needed so in effect its a 2 party system mostly built on class. The class system imo, is more in effect in Britain than any other western democracy.
Its has been easy for politicians to blame the EU, both in Britain and elsewhere, (have seen it so much in my own country), but its obfuscating the reality, and passing the buck imo. This touches on your point about the EU and the opportunity that has arisen. I hope they take the opportunity to improve itself and look inwardly for some of the reasons the Brexit vote happened. e.g. Commission v Parliament.
I hope some of that movement in the financial sector you refer to comes to Dublin *
This was written just after the Brexit vote and I found it a great read. A long read but worth it.
''So the likeliest outcome I would have thought, is a betrayal of the white working class, they should be used to it by now''
Unfortunately the Lib Dems are not the force that is needed so in effect its a 2 party system mostly built on class. The class system imo, is more in effect in Britain than any other western democracy.
Its has been easy for politicians to blame the EU, both in Britain and elsewhere, (have seen it so much in my own country), but its obfuscating the reality, and passing the buck imo. This touches on your point about the EU and the opportunity that has arisen. I hope they take the opportunity to improve itself and look inwardly for some of the reasons the Brexit vote happened. e.g. Commission v Parliament.
I hope some of that movement in the financial sector you refer to comes to Dublin *
This was written just after the Brexit vote and I found it a great read. A long read but worth it.
''So the likeliest outcome I would have thought, is a betrayal of the white working class, they should be used to it by now''
completely agree on your analysis.
I strong believe that EU will take this opportunity to listen to people wants, although the financial problems will take some time to resolve (banking problems are most complex than we think, and the 2007–09crisis still going on), and new political groups will emerge - Lib Dems have a shot.
*Dublin? - not sure, but the ones i had, some has been announced already. and more, much more to come ... unfortunately - most of mergers we have/had in UK has been postponed - waiting for weaker currency and UK industry "clarification" (as we all know, British industry (some areas) is in decline for reasons that have nothing to do with the EU, but more to do with globalized business, which Brexit will do nothing at all to resolve).
Thanks for the link, excellent article - precise analysis, every area.
"The primary victims of that will be the working-class voters who voted Leave; the recessionary shrinking of the tax take will target them too. The faltering economy will cause immigration to slow, which will further damage the economy." - That the harsh reality !
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