leave = brexit consequences (786)
Capricorn143: I think Britain's exit is just the beginning of the end for the EU ..
It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
It is a shame this has happened in some respects because the basic principles are sound, but those in power have over many years eroded the individuality of the people within the EU.It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
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Capricorn143: I think Britain's exit is just the beginning of the end for the EU ..
It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
It is a shame this has happened in some respects because the basic principles are sound, but those in power have over many years eroded the individuality of the people within the EU.It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
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allthegoodnamest: The people voted Brexit because enough is enough.. No more jumping on the "gravy train" for the Eastern Europeans & the consequences will be an uncertain economy for the short term but in the long term , Britain will prosper...
Britain may be the first to exit but I doubt we will be isolated, as I can see many countries leaving in the near future, until the European Union crumbles & everyone reclaims their sovereignty.
Britain may be the first to exit but I doubt we will be isolated, as I can see many countries leaving in the near future, until the European Union crumbles & everyone reclaims their sovereignty.
I totally Agree with all you have said
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rebel2: This is my concern. What are the real reasons the SNP are calling for independence? For the people of Scotland or for themselves?
A strong leader is needed who is going to be honest and have the interest of all the people. I would suggest the majority of people in Scotland, England, Wales and N/Ireland do not want special treatment, but to recognised as part of the UK.
A strong leader is needed who is going to be honest and have the interest of all the people. I would suggest the majority of people in Scotland, England, Wales and N/Ireland do not want special treatment, but to recognised as part of the UK.
We will have to see when the result of the vote is known but I have always said since I was old enough to vote and having studied history I think Northern Ireland should be a part of Ireland as One nation, and NOT our responsibility.
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rebel2: It is a shame this has happened in some respects because the basic principles are sound, but those in power have over many years eroded the individuality of the people within the EU.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
I agree with what you say,,England was a strong country before heath put us in the EU and we will rise once again and become stronger for our future Generations of England,
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it'll all get very complicated very quickly probably try some this:
Greece raised money in America, years later America let the cat out of the bag in pointing out that Greece had borrowed more money than it had declared to the EU. Complicated loans put together using what become known as derivitives and later America dobed Greece in, evrery interesting.
Without researching detail, best as i can recall America bailed EU out twice and EU has bailed America out once, anyway....
The 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis was an economic crisis in the Republic of Cyprus that involved the exposure of Cypriot banks to overleveraged local property companies, the Greek government-debt crisis, the downgrading of the Cypriot government's bond credit rating to junk status by international credit rating agencies, the consequential inability to refund its state expenses from the international market and the reluctance of the government to restructure the troubled Cypriot financial sector.
Frozen deposits in Cyprus banks attracted interest from specialized distressed assets investors and brokers. Among firms reported to be dealing in Cyprus bank debt was London-based Éxito Capital and Swiss-based Black Eagle Litigation Fund.
Cyprus profile - Timeline
1914 - Cyprus annexed by Britain, after more than 300 years of Ottoman rule. Britain had occupied the island in 1878, although it remained nominally under Ottoman sovereignty.
1925 - Becomes crown colony.
1955 - Greek Cypriots begin guerrilla war against British rule.
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EU accession
2004 May - Cyprus is one of 10 new states to join the EU, but does so as a divided island.
2004 December - Turkey agrees to extend its EU customs union agreement to 10 new member states, including Cyprus. The Turkish prime minister says this does not amount to a formal recognition of Cyprus.
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Financial crisis
2012 June - Cyprus appeals to European Union for financial assistance to shore up its banks, which are heavily exposed to the stumbling Greek economy.
2013 March - President Anastasiades secures 10bn-euro bank bailout from the European Union and IMF. Laiki Bank, the country's second-biggest, is wound down and deposit-holders with more than 100,000 euros will face big losses.
2013 May - Cyprus receives 2bn euros - the first instalment of a 10bn-euro bailout package - from international creditors.
The European Court of Human Rights orders Turkey to pay 90m euros in damages to Greek Cypriots for the 1974 invasion. Turkey calls the ruling unfair and says it will not pay.
2015 February - At talks with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, President Anastasiades agrees to let Russian navy have access to Cypriot ports.Reunification talks resume2015 May - Government and Turkish Cypriot negotiators resume talks on reunification, holding 20 rounds of UN-sponsored in the course of the year.
Greece raised money in America, years later America let the cat out of the bag in pointing out that Greece had borrowed more money than it had declared to the EU. Complicated loans put together using what become known as derivitives and later America dobed Greece in, evrery interesting.
Without researching detail, best as i can recall America bailed EU out twice and EU has bailed America out once, anyway....
The 2012–2013 Cypriot financial crisis was an economic crisis in the Republic of Cyprus that involved the exposure of Cypriot banks to overleveraged local property companies, the Greek government-debt crisis, the downgrading of the Cypriot government's bond credit rating to junk status by international credit rating agencies, the consequential inability to refund its state expenses from the international market and the reluctance of the government to restructure the troubled Cypriot financial sector.
Frozen deposits in Cyprus banks attracted interest from specialized distressed assets investors and brokers. Among firms reported to be dealing in Cyprus bank debt was London-based Éxito Capital and Swiss-based Black Eagle Litigation Fund.
Cyprus profile - Timeline
1914 - Cyprus annexed by Britain, after more than 300 years of Ottoman rule. Britain had occupied the island in 1878, although it remained nominally under Ottoman sovereignty.
1925 - Becomes crown colony.
1955 - Greek Cypriots begin guerrilla war against British rule.
---------->>
EU accession
2004 May - Cyprus is one of 10 new states to join the EU, but does so as a divided island.
2004 December - Turkey agrees to extend its EU customs union agreement to 10 new member states, including Cyprus. The Turkish prime minister says this does not amount to a formal recognition of Cyprus.
---------------->>
Financial crisis
2012 June - Cyprus appeals to European Union for financial assistance to shore up its banks, which are heavily exposed to the stumbling Greek economy.
2013 March - President Anastasiades secures 10bn-euro bank bailout from the European Union and IMF. Laiki Bank, the country's second-biggest, is wound down and deposit-holders with more than 100,000 euros will face big losses.
2013 May - Cyprus receives 2bn euros - the first instalment of a 10bn-euro bailout package - from international creditors.
The European Court of Human Rights orders Turkey to pay 90m euros in damages to Greek Cypriots for the 1974 invasion. Turkey calls the ruling unfair and says it will not pay.
2015 February - At talks with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, President Anastasiades agrees to let Russian navy have access to Cypriot ports.Reunification talks resume2015 May - Government and Turkish Cypriot negotiators resume talks on reunification, holding 20 rounds of UN-sponsored in the course of the year.
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rebel2: It is a shame this has happened in some respects because the basic principles are sound, but those in power have over many years eroded the individuality of the people within the EU.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
Now the people within these countries, quite rightly, want a say in what happens in there day to day lives and want retain there identity.
I agree with what you say,,England was a strong country before heath put us in the EU and we will rise once again and become stronger for our future Generations of England,
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Capricorn143: I think Britain's exit is just the beginning of the end for the EU ..
It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
I agree with most of what you have said in your post. The smaller and poorer countries will suffer the most if the EU lasts as long as you have predicted - in the ten year's period they will be made more and more dependent on Brussels, there will be no sovreignity left for them. That's why they should be the ones running out of the EU as fast as possible - now!
The EU bureaucrats have not foreseen that the UK would leave, now they are admitting that people are not against Europe, EU but they are against this EU run by these bureacurats and mindess politicians. What is the EU response? Like the most obnoxious MP says: EU needs reforms.....but he sees the future in a real political integration, i.e. no nation states, one "Soviet" EU running the politics, economics etc. for the poor brainless, clueless Frech, Germans, Slovaks....Slovenians, Bulgarians....etc.
EU needs to be toppled down, then and only then....in due time some other EU can be established.
It was the immigration thing that swayed me more than the economic issues..
Although the refugees don't have the rights that the British national have, as soon as they produce children in this country, they are British nationals, which makes them almost impossible to ship back, even if there was a resolution back in their homeland.
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rebel2: This is my concern. What are the real reasons the SNP are calling for independence? For the people of Scotland or for themselves?
A strong leader is needed who is going to be honest and have the interest of all the people. I would suggest the majority of people in Scotland, England, Wales and N/Ireland do not want special treatment, but to recognised as part of the UK.
A strong leader is needed who is going to be honest and have the interest of all the people. I would suggest the majority of people in Scotland, England, Wales and N/Ireland do not want special treatment, but to recognised as part of the UK.
The canny ones know that the threat of leaving equals special treatment. England subsidises Scotland having, for example, no prescription fees for the greater good of keeping the UK together. A border between us and them would cost us more in ill will, bureaucracy and loss of trade than the special treatment does.
And do they really need that border?
Will having one transform the way Scotland works?
Does an open border with England and government through Westminster pose an existential threat to Scotland?
No
No
No
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doreen1: I agree with what you say,,England was a strong country before heath put us in the EU and we will rise once again and become stronger for our future Generations of England,
Hello Doreen, pleased to meet you 
Maybe if we included Wales, Scotland and N/Ireland in that it would be a step in the right direction
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doreen1: I agree with what you say,,England was a strong country before heath put us in the EU and we will rise once again and become stronger for our future Generations of England,
Hello Doreen, pleased to meet you Maybe if we included Wales, Scotland and N/Ireland in that it would be a step in the right direction
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TheRedSquirrel87: The canny ones know that the threat of leaving equals special treatment. England subsidises Scotland having, for example, no prescription fees for the greater good of keeping the UK together. A border between us and them would cost us more in ill will, bureaucracy and loss of trade than the special treatment does.
And do they really need that border?
Will having one transform the way Scotland works?
Does an open border with England and government through Westminster pose an existential threat to Scotland?
No
No
No
And do they really need that border?
Will having one transform the way Scotland works?
Does an open border with England and government through Westminster pose an existential threat to Scotland?
No
No
No
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MikeD12: We will have to see when the result of the vote is known but I have always said since I was old enough to vote and having studied history I think Northern Ireland should be a part of Ireland as One nation, and NOT our responsibility.
You have the advantage there. I do not understand the history or politics of those two countries, so it would be unfair of me to comment. 
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allthegoodnamest: It was the immigration thing that swayed me more than the economic issues..Although the refugees don't have the rights that the British national have, as soon as they produce children in this country, they are British nationals, which makes them almost impossible to ship back, even if there was a resolution back in their homeland.
True and now e have our sovereignty back WE can and should immediately start the control of who comes here from Europe and all parts of the world according to Trades Qualifications and genuine proven refugee status
Not the unidentified committees in Brussels Strasbourg and Luxembourg or the corrupt EU president Juncker
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rebel2: You have the advantage there. I do not understand the history or politics of those two countries, so it would be unfair of me to comment.
I suggest that for a general coffee table understanding the Wiki history is worth reading -
For the record - I think the British were wrong in many ways in the ways in which they treated the Irish people since Cromwell's time. They finally led to the inevitability of the troubles, uprising and subsequent division North & South in the 20th century.
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MikeD12: True and now e have our sovereignty back WE can and should immediately start the control of who comes here from Europe and all parts of the world according to Trades Qualifications and genuine proven refugee status
Not the unidentified committees in Brussels Strasbourg and Luxembourg or the corrupt EU president Juncker
Not the unidentified committees in Brussels Strasbourg and Luxembourg or the corrupt EU president Juncker
The first thing we should do is let employers loose on the colleges and universities. Let's see how they can re-jigger education to make British skills conducive to economic success rather than a narcissistic quest to acquire credentials.
After making the most of British potential only then are we to look at immigrants. Even with an Australian-style points system there are enough bright and skilled foreigners wanting to live here simply because we use indoor toilets, enough to put every one of us out of a job. I'm with UKIP in the belief that we should temporarily suspend immigration to allow society to heal and reclaim British workers from the scrapheap of globalism.
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allthegoodnamest: It was the immigration thing that swayed me more than the economic issues..
Although the refugees don't have the rights that the British national have, as soon as they produce children in this country, they are British nationals, which makes them almost impossible to ship back, even if there was a resolution back in their homeland.
Although the refugees don't have the rights that the British national have, as soon as they produce children in this country, they are British nationals, which makes them almost impossible to ship back, even if there was a resolution back in their homeland.
Interesting to see that it was the immigration that made you change your mind - well, to the Eastern Europeans it is the same - the weak west europeans have put this big burden of ME unintegrable military aged men onto us - it is better to be poor and stay who you are than accept ludicruous Merkel's ideas.
Hopefully there will be other referenda soon!
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tomcatwarne: There's something fishy about Sturgeon
very fishy
could it be this
Nicola Sturgeon
Sturgeon joined the Scottish National Party (SNP) in 1986
Glasgow University Scottish Nationalist Association
ah the plot
Stone of Destiny
and often referred to in England as The Coronation Stone—is an oblong block of red sandstone that was used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, and later the monarchs of England and the Kingdom of Great Britain.
Scottish Crown Jewels, dating from the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, are the oldest set of crown jewels in the British Isles. The existing set were used for the coronation of Scottish monarchs from 1543 (Mary I) to 1651 (Charles II). Since then, they have been used to represent Royal Assent to legislation in both the Estates of Parliament and Scottish Parliament, and have also been used at State occasions, including the first visit to Scotland as sovereign by King George IV in 1822 and the first visit to Scotland as sovereign by Queen Elizabeth in 1953.
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Capricorn143: Interesting to see that it was the immigration that made you change your mind - well, to the Eastern Europeans it is the same - the weak west europeans have put this big burden of ME unintegrable military aged men onto us - it is better to be poor and stay who you are than accept ludicruous Merkel's ideas.
Hopefully there will be other referenda soon!
Hopefully there will be other referenda soon!
Yeah, I've noticed the dramatic change too...
Knowing that he isn't British born himself...
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It will crumple within ten years & by the time it finally does, Britain will be in a strong position because it has learned to cope independently .. The smaller countries will suffer as a result, leaving them worse off than before they joined, thus making them poorer than a third word country.
Oh, don't you worry about us All, we will survive...
People tend to underestimate us, we have enough resources and we are in a very good relation with the East too...