No, I didn't ask you if you knew the father of the children, I asked you if you knew that he had been convicted of child molestation.
You've read a media report that he was convicted of child molestation. That's not the same as knowing.
If he has been convicted of child molestation, then as far as I'm concerned there's no way he should be allowed anywhere near a child, whether it's his own, or someone else's.
If he has been convicted of child molestation, why did the surrogacy agency allow this to go ahead?
However, if the allegation of the child molestation conviction is media hype and you're repeating it, you're potentially contributing to this man and his family being at serious risk and having their lives totally ruined, or worse, ending up dead. I didn't see you introducing the subject of the conviction with 'it has been reported'.
I take on board that your OP was qualified with 'is reported', but you ended you OP with "My question is,would you do the same,as the Aussie couple did????" not "Would you do the same as the Aussie couple are alleged to have done?"
I think you have a certain responsibility when creating threads that you create a discussion, not just an opportunity for people to engage in drama and feeding their own needs at the expense of others, who may, or may not be guilty of that which they have been accused in the media.
I asked you if you knew the father of the children was a convicted child molester, not whether you'd read it in the media.
I wonder, why would a child molester leave the golden opportunity to have an extremely vulnerable child who would find it more difficult to express himself under the guise of being super dad?
The surrogate mother is Thai, the baby with Down's Syndrome looks Asian.
I wonder what cultural origin the biological parents are and whether this impacted upon their alleged decision. I have a sneaky feeling there may be more shame attached to disabled children in some cultures than others.
The mother also didn't carry the children herself and that may have had an impact upon the bonding process for the biological parents. Bonding doesn't happen straight away for many parents for a variety of reasons. Personally, I think a non-critical, supportive approach facilitates bonding, not global condemnation.
Whether it's true they didn't know of the second baby's existence, whether they did know of his existence and asked the surrogate mother to abort him at 7 months, whether they abandoned him, or whether the now shut down surrogacy agency played a role, the 'story' does make juicy media reporting. The media reporting is also scant and conflicting. I don't think it's ethical to be making judgements because it serves a purpose for us to go "Ooh aah, aren't they evil?"
I really hope all concerned will get the help and support they need in the best interests of the children.
Oh, I've just thought. Do we know that the child was well enough to travel, do we know that the parents had the resources to transport the second twin, do we know if their visas allowed them to stay longer...? How do we know truthfully that the parents didn't take the one child home that they could while they made arrangements to take care of the critically ill child (heart defect requiring surgery and lung infection according to the reports)? How do we know that the surrogate mother isn't selling her 'story' to the press because she's desperate for the money to feed her own kids?
We simply don't know the full story, ergo, it is not ethical to make pre-judgements.
Btw, what was the thing about 2Intrigued's second profile pic?
If you were teasing, you'd better explain yourself quick, my friend. The heavies will come and get you if you upset our much loved Trigsie. *sharp intake of breath and much tutting*
No, I think it was cultural and language differences leading to misinterpretation and different ideas of what a profile should be like.
I can see where she might have picked up on some scammer-like wording, but it was such a small part which was qualified by the majority of un-scammer-like wording, your profile is plainly not a typical scammer profile. I imagine it's a helluva lot easier to make distinctions if you've learned English intuitively, rather than as a foreign language.
I wasn't the slightest bit offended. I was just retelling the tale because it amused me to see 'Want kids? No way!' written underneath 'Have kids? Yes, and they live with me'.
We all pile in on threads regardless of whether it's supposed to be men only, or women only. You were looking for a fun thread, enjoy the fun, eh?
Besides, you have idea how funny we found it that you called OW 'that idiot from Manchester' and hid his comment, when he was being comparitively friendly and normal for a change. (We can all unhide it and read it which we all do out of curiosity, so the hide function where you can't actually hide a post is best used for teasing people and fun.)
Yeah, it just seemed kind of churlish when my daughter and granddaughter had just moved back in with me, to have "Wants kids? No way!" written underneath.
I think I might just about be able to restrain myself without a cold shower, or ice bath. It's going to be tough, mind.
jac_the_gripper Forum Posts (5,363)
RE: Do nice guys finish last?
Can you not see how what you've said here, is treating women like crap?You've been derisive, disrespectful and have basically said that women are stupid and lack self-/other-awareness.
Is that your idea of being nice?