Bodecia Forum Posts (1,476)

RE: So they finally got him

No, of course you dont. Entirely up to you.

However, not being able - or willing - to answer a simple question and preferring to make purile remarks instead hardly makes you a worthy debator.

RE: So they finally got him

You still havent answered the questions! "Covert" operations happen all the time, by probably more countries than we know of. Thats the nature of the beast.

Also, I asked you how you knew the Pakistan Government didnt know about the mission? Please answer.

RE: So they finally got him

My nationality is not the issue here. The issue is whether someone who "appears" non-Irish is allowed to post on here without being attacked for having an open mind.

RE: So they finally got him

I am Irish, or at least part. Not thats its any of your business.

And regarding fake profiles, what a laugh. You really are a trip.

RE: So they finally got him

Why do you answer a question with a question?? Why cant you answer mine first?

RE: So they finally got him

Why dont you answer the question in a sensible manner?

RE: So they finally got him

Do I not have a right to post here, then? Is it only for Irish people, or people who agree with you?

RE: So they finally got him

When exactly did they "invade" Pakistan?

RE: So they finally got him

Indeed.

RE: So they finally got him

Having an opinion is one thing. Banging on, and on and on in such vicious tones as you have done does indeed smack of something more than expressing a normal opinion.

Yeah, and I thought that old xenophobic attitude had long been washed away from those shores. Obviously not.

RE: So they finally got him

RE: So they finally got him

Yes, maybe. Because, living here I maybe feel I have knowledge of the subject. Diplomacy is always good, whereever it comes from.

RE: So they finally got him

That post was directed in reply to Sharmini.

RE: So they finally got him

"I never addressed you personally"...Yes, you did. You quoted a post I had made to another person, not you, and chose to be quite rude.

"You havent addressed any of my points, regarding the schizoid nature of american foreign policy" - No, I havent, because firstly the thread is not about american foreign policy, it was supposed to be about Bin Laden. Also, I do not profess to be an expert on the subject and therefore I do not spout on about things I am not an expert on.

I remember debating with you before, on an issue and I seem to remember that you have an ingrained dislike of Americans. It is impossible to debate with someone who already has made up their minds about a people or subject, and God Forbid, they would discuss it without being abusive or rude.

RE: So they finally got him

No, the topic is Osama Bin Laden, not American Policy.

And, I believe, my original post was one of the longest posts in this thread, if you dont mind.



Just because you dont agree with what I say, doesnt not make you right.

You have failed to really answer anything I said to you in my original post, cleverly sidewinding past it and only replying to a lady who mirrors your own views.



Beidh mé, agus go raibh maith agat.

Aussies Coming to the USA

Many thanks.

RE: So they finally got him

I like to think I am a Person of The World, with the ability to discuss varied topics with an open mind.

RE: So they finally got him

I dont like pedantic people, life is too short!

New York was not the only target to be hit.

I speak with "American Tongue"?? Nope, I speak with my own tongue which speaks words of a non-biased person seeing it from more than one viewpoint.

Maybe you should consider doing the same.

RE: British and American cultural differences

I actually think I dislike this thread.

It smacks of some smugness and insinuates Americans are uncouth, or common. It also smacks of judgementalism. I dont like that.

So, as they say on Dragon's Den...Im out.

RE: British and American cultural differences

Thats what I meant. Each culture/country is indeed different, and celebrates/mourns/ in different ways.

No way is better than the other.

Americans are different to the Brits, yes. Again, though, no one is superior to the other.

RE: Condemnation and Judgement...

Thank you for your nice comments, my friend..

RE: British and American cultural differences

Yes, its true, that Americans tend to be less reserved than say, the Brits.

However, I will say this: the majority of the cheering going on in the streets of the US today was from young people; young people who are generally more vocal than us oldies anyway.

Secondly, the US is not as used to being a terrorist target as England for instance, so the outpouring of rage following 9-11 came from surprise as much as anything else. Sadly, Brits got used to terrorist attacks and although certainly not blase, they became more resigned. That is not the case yet here.

I dont think there is any set way to express grief, anger and rage; it varies from person to person - let alone from country to country.

I, for one, am glad Bin Laden is no more; one less monster in the world. However, I certainly don't intend to hang from the street lamp cheering about it, and neither does anyone I know here.

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

Me too.

US Homeland Security is already on full alert and living here now in NY State, I feel first hand the ripples of worry mingled with the cheers. It is different, when you are actually a possible target yourself, compared to Armchair Politicians safely tucked away in a cozy sitting room.

A retaliatory Al Queda attack(s) are very possible. No doubt, if and when innocent US Citizens are killed if, God Forbid this happens, as much sympathy and outrage will be poured out as there has been by some toward the killing of Bin Laden.

RE: Pakistan knew bout osama's hide out from day one.... They still sponsor terrorism...

"Hamid Mir, one of Pakistan's most well-informed and well-connected journalists, has claimed that the operation to kill Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was done with the full knowledge and assistance of Pakistan's army.

When queried on the matter, Mir sarcastically said, "In one stroke, Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari has done more to help America than (former Pakistan president) General Pervez Musharraf could ever do."

He said, "The operation was conducted by the Pakistan army and the CIA on Sunday night at nearly 1 am. The Pakistan army provided ground support and American forces conducted the raid. It was a joint operation. One helicopter was shot down in the operation."

Mir also said, "The successful operation to kill Osama would strengthen bilateral relations between US and Pakistan. After all, America khush hua hai (America is satisfied.)"

According to a report in The Dawn, a prestigious Karachi daily, the operation that killed Laden was carried out jointly by Pakistan's security forces and the Central Intelligence Agency.

An official of the security forces, who is based in Peshawar, told the daily, "It was a joint operation between the CIA and Pakistani security forces."

The Dawn quoted the official as saying, "It (operation) was carried out on very precise information that some high-value target is there."

The report also mentions that a Pakistani military helicopter crashed near Abbottabad on Sunday night, killing one and injuring two, according to local media reports.

It was not clear if the crash had any connection with bin Laden's death, but witnesses reported gunshots and heavy firing before one of two low-flying helicopters crashed near the Pakistani Military Academy.

The killing of bin Laden on Pakistani soil will surely blow up into a bigger issue. Abbotabad is too uncomfortably close to Islamabad. It is nearly a 150-minute drive from Islamabad.

Sensing that the issue will seriously dent Pakistan's credibility, some kind of damage control has already started.

The Dawn, while quoting former general Talat Masood, said the fact that bin Laden was killed in a joint operation would limit the damage to Pakistan's image.

"There should be a sigh of relief because this will take some pressure off Pakistan," said Masood.

He further explained, "Pakistan has most probably contributed to this and Pakistan can take some credit for this; (Osama) being such an iconic figure, it's a great achievement."
Sheela Bhatt


Posted on an Indian based website. We all know that India and Pakistan are no friends, so I cannot see why this would have been posted unless there was fact to back it up.

I have no doubt that Pakistan has Al Queda sympathizers, as Ireland has RIRA sympathizers. That does not make either country "evil" or a country full of "terrorists".

Can we not just be grateful that this monster has been taken out, and not quibble as to the rights and wrongs of it all?

Aussies Coming to the USA

Hey guys.

Thanks for your posts.

It is not for a prospective partner I ask, I am already settled here from Ireland!

It is a friend of ours who wants to come and study in the USA and wanted to know about scholarships, or educational visas.

I know about the general US Immigration requirements to live here permanently, but not so much about educational and study visas.

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

I think he's gone to live with the Tele Tubbies, personally..

RE: So they finally got him

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death

RE: Doubts regarding Osama shown death