bin Laden's son, said the US should have arrested his father and gave him a trial. With the bin Laden's three wives in Pakistani custody, all being debriefed or prepped to make anti American media statements, you can take your choice there.
The heat is going to come from the Pakistani claiming a breach of national soverniety.
Officially bin Laden was 'person non grata' to Pakistan and a 'person sought for criminal acts' in Pakistan gov't prior to the raid. They shielded him, but just never thought he would be caught in their country.
Non grata mean unwanted. Yes, it is a legal status. The Obama administration needs to get its legal staff working here. To making briefs up on bin Laden status, the right of the US to going into a foreign country on military mission, and legal issues of this. If they don't, President Obama is going to be deep fried in Pakistan media.
There was a reason those 100 Pakistani lawyers were doing a bin Laden prayer and anti US rant, several days ago. They are soon to be filing legal briefs against the Obama administration for the raid and bin Laden death.
Nothing like legal briefs to make good news print.
The word on FOX is the Taliban have begun to surrender...for conciliation with the government in NATO sector in the numbers of 30-40 since bin Laden death.
The NATO commander said that they had to wonder why they are in Afghanistan suffering while bin Laden was in safe (kind of safe) in Pakistan.
Maybe a start to a big number of Taliban and alQeada walkins.
What did you want us to do with bin Laden when he was in Afghanistan after 911? Send a local sheriff to arrest him? You saw the advanced military systems and planning that was need to get him in Pakistan.
To get him in Afghanistan, it was even more difficult and complicated. He had his own force of 7-12,000 alQeada and Omar's Taliban protecting him. He had 2,000 at Tora Bora for a delaying force for his escape into Pakistan.
You don't play game with these guys...when they are para military forces with that kind manpower and weapons.
Maybe....November 2012 is still a ways out there. If he get greedy and orders another....and it goes wrong? Or if Pakistan decides plays terrorist hardball with their nucs?
At the end of their term, the Obama's will get to walk thru the National Archive and take the gifts that they desire to. The article did not mention, did it?
The US will honor those existing contract to the Mubarak gov't. I think it was around 3b per year in aid and military funding. Plus now the US is going in pick up a undetermined amount of the Egyptian debt. With these $1b investments into a unsettled country and that is having religious strife.
Isn't that how Ireland and Greece got into financial troubles?
The head of Hamas is talking out of both side of his mouth on the bin Laden raid/death.
No, the US should not have gone into Pakistan on the raid. And No Hamas does not use the same tactic that alQeada did on civilians.
Like if bin Laden was in GAZA, he would have gave him up on a extradiction request from the US. And can you tell me what the difference there is between a suicide bus bomber (Hamas) and a suicide car bomber (alQeada of Iraq)is?
One drives a Toyota and the other Honda motorcycle, I guess.
Just maybe with that small unit of alQeada that is now in GAZA, who names are all now known by the US CIA......and soon to be Isreali gov't......and if they just happen to have strong connections to Hamas. Has him troubled.
Just going to prove. You have to watch out for your friends and associates else they can cause you a whole lot of trouble.
$1b in Egyptian debt repayment. We are still paying Egyptian military aid and foreign aid programs that were contracted under the Mubarak administration. For us not to ...would be a dishonorable breach of contract.
So after assignating bin Laden without a trial, will the Obama administration continue to prosecute the CIA agents for using IET on various alQeada member.
Never mind that GWB DoJ cleared them of wrong doing. Holder continues the witch hunt here. So what gives here? The CIA had GWB approval to use EIT technique on the alQeada member. The SEALs had Obama approval to put a hole in bin Laden's head.
The hypocracy here is waiste deep. The CIA agents were following orders. The SEALS were following orders. Bad things are going to happen in war time.
If Obama can go to a country and blow away a terrorist on the intell gained by IETs...then he cannot prosecute CIA agents that used IETS to gain intell.
This is about keep the far left of the DEM party happy. With the CIA agents under investigation....they hope one will turn and testify against the Bush administration and become the CIA version of Scott McClennon. Obviously the Obama administration finds real loyalty something to be used and abused as it heads into the 2012.
Here we go......time for the Millinuin funding bill that Obama wrote in the Seante to kick in. That was only $935b per year for a undertmined number years.
President Obama just approved $1b to Egypt to prob its economy up. All debt relief. Yep he runs up our debt and pays off others. Just a little more wealth redistribution.
100 Pakistani Lawyers...yes, try getting two to agree much less 100.......came together for a special Islamic prayers for bin Laden. Then to denounce the US for raiding his Abbottabad compound.
Now...you have to consider..100 lawyers......with post graduate degrees....are educated and likely moderate Muslims. Yet they are on the street with a public support for bin Laden and with rants
Just stop all the US aid to Pakistan now. Just end it. Just pull the purse strings. Cut them and tie them into a knot and pull it as hard as you can....to see what pops out of Pakistan.
Place so many sanctions on the country, the 100 attroney figure it is winter time with white paper floating down from the UN. Let them frigging snow ski in sanctions.
PM Gilani is now saying that it is not just Pakistan fault that bin Laden was found in his country.....it is all the world's intelligence fault for let him be there. Like Scotland Yard and M16 ad anything to do with the 2005 construction of bin Laden Abbottabad compound.
Truth can become rather disgusting but since the head of Alqueda is finally cutten off by THE honorable president of THE United States of America Mr. Barack Obama all we need is truth the whole truth and nothing but truth! America needs to know and the eentire population of planet Earth needs the truth! Can GWB and Cheney moving to Colombia or some twhere and staying off this arrestation some day? What did they know EXACTLY?
The closest Clinton got to bin Laden was a hole in the ground in Afghanistan and a ventilated pill factory in Sudan. So his weekly meeting on bin Laden must have pretty week weak on intelligence and long in doing Gov't handi whipe.
GWB got close to bin Laden twice. One just after his CIA were in the country with a bombing attack. And at Tora Bora. But also it was GWB capture of SMK and his waterboarding sessions that gave up a courrier name.
I know that is hard for you to accept. But that is the way it shakes out. Of all the alqeada brought in...SMK was the toughest. The other two alQeada that were given IET....began to cooperate communication in week. SMK went 30 days.
See here is the thing that you and other liberals don't under about IETs. They were only administered when the subject refuses to talk and clammed up. They were used only to get cooperative communications. Interrogators can fact check even lies....but they need cooperative communication to work with. IETs were never used to force answers. OHhhhhhhhh.........think about that for a moment.
Without that SMK info.....Obama woudl still be on the dark to were bin Laden. Why do you think Obama asked BWG to attend ground zero with him? So they could make a joint statement to country.
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Since we are here.
Let us take this a wee bit further. alQeada was in 40 different countries. Yes? Maybe more. Right now everyone is saying...all the intell is going to point at Pakistan. I think that this is going to point at countries and governments all over the globe....as being terrorists enablers.
Remember alQeada was blend of many Islamic terrorist groups. From Indonesasia and Phillipine Islands to Morocco and Algeria. BIN laden had brought them all under one roof so to speak. So now that roof has sprung a big leak? Or better has caved in? You see were I am going. Obama has the goods on government leaders and high profile Moslems across the globe.
So what should he do with it?
I like the idea of Israel and Palestine Peace treaty. I wold send a little note to the 100os government leaders that he has evidence on being a facialitor of alQeada with. Time to become really close friends with Isreal or else we pull your card for association with alQeada. Same for radical clerics...for money men....for anyone that does not have blood on his hands.
Anyone that does. That is a different matter. The President has a obligation to bring them to justice.
By the way....GWB statement on bin Laden. Check the date. It was right before the Iraq war. George just might have had his hands full about then.......
Actually real truth does not hurt. You keep giving us worn out sayings and cultural rheotric for a political agenda. Attack the REP and conservatives....in the world. You say that in your ending words of the blog...."creating hatred and riding on waves of fear".
Two points there.
President Obama just became the most wanted man (dead or alive) in Islam with his ordering of the bin Laden raid. He just surpassed GWB for that.
And those cruise missile strikes into Libya might be causing a little hatred and waves of fear around the rest of the Islamic world. Agreed not a tidal wave.
Funny, we have not had the moderate Iman Rauf (of the NY Mosque) come out and give us a opinion on the bin Laden raid. Or many other moderate Muslims....at all say anything on. They just seem to roll up go quiet on such. Am sure FOX will get a camera and mic to him soon.
With number of Muslims that bin laden and his alQeada operation have killed.....you would think that they would be estatic over the death of bin Laden. But no. They had made a human into a God....and that is not smart.
President Obama policies have lead to a restructuring of the private employment sector of the country. The dream of owning a home in the country is virtually dead. He has killed off the American dream.....so those low wage jobs programs that he forced on the American people.
Remember what he said to the grad students..."go ahead and take that low income jobs".
Instead of challenging the country to being better and excellent, he said to the country go ahead and be second in the world.
He left the middle class...main street American in the crisis of 2009....to fend for themselves. While he continued to bailout the major corporation. That middle class is the singular biggest voting block in the country.
Our OP here in his opening blog is addressing the ready by "ladies and gentlemen'. Like the snake oil salesman. He has a smile and nice way about himself. By page 40, the reader has become public enemy number one to the OP. A little higher than a worm under his foot.
Why?
The reader did not buy the snake oil salesman's bottle magic elisorto the their problems in the world. Fustration has set in with the snake oil salesman that has beat on one to many doors peddling the stuff.
That is exactly how liberals go from being actual human beings, to being egotisical ranters when they get some political power and position. They simply don't have any maturity to understand things.
Prior to bin Laden, the President Obama success rate in his liberal agenda was about nil. It had been made unconstitutional. Shreaded by the mid term. Shouted out in the town halls.
So what is going on here?
Seeing his poll numbers sinking like a rock, the President needs a boost....or the 2012 is a replay of the 2010. Enter Libya. He knows that GWB numbers took a bump in the Iraq invasion and the Sadam Hussien hunt. So repeating the move of GWB again, he find his Islamic bad guy in Qdaffi.....so suddenly Qgaffi....after he tried to sell him weapons....is the poster boy for a brutal dictator and worthy of some cruise missiles. Not that the Congress had anything to say about it.
But that really did not give him a good boost in the polls. Americans saw it for what it was. Europeans needing a Liyban oil flow coming down on a terrorist leader. They did not buy the snake oil.
Enter bin Laden. Ah...it is that terrorist leader thingee that get the Americans attention and support. Having located bin Laden months ago, suddenly a dangerous and politically savy SEAL team strike is ordered. Getting their man also got the President a boost in the polls.
But really, President Obama again walks in GWB shadow here. GWB is the one that set the Bush doctrine on foreign intervention when it comes to both terrorism and nation state military operations on a nasty leader.
The President is obviously a cool customer. Cooler than than our OP here that has melted into ranting heap by page 40. But the simple fact is, he was led into Libya by the European leaders that were looking out for their national interest. If Qdaffi really needs to go.....why not place a SEAL team on him and save the $650K cruise missiles for another day? The cost of that SEAL operation was millions less than the Libyan operations.
So the President got his man and his bump in the polls. Suddenly more gas is finding it way to the gas station and the price of a gallon is projected to fall. So will the American buy the snake oil in 2012 again. Settling for a lower gas price....from product brought in from the shale fields. And we find unemployment dipping again on the strength of the private sector.
Or does he say enough snake oil, I want some real leadership in Washington to address the deficit and China issues. At least the President has begun to call us, Americans. Since we saved his numbers in shale oil development, in private sector jobs creation, and now with the bin Laden taken down.
They are saying the OBL left a 'small college library" of intell behind.
I hope that they are smart in how they use it. Not just in finding alQeada cells and members. But also in the parties that supported bin Laden and alQeada....the faciliators.
bin laden could not do this without a lot of help in high places. Pakistan government is already saying that they did not know of his presence. But expect another shocking revelliation there very soon. ))
With a small library of intell....if bin Laden kept names from the Musharreff and Zardari governments or military that were aiding him. The PM Gilali of Pakistan is warning the US against any more unauthorized raids.
He needs to check the poll bump that Obama got on the bin Laden raid. It is pushing into the 2012, expect President Obama to start wearing pearl handled 45s (ala General Patton soon).))
President Zardari is taking a different track. He saying that any Pakistani gov't or military personal found to be faciliating alQeada...that heads will roll. Get out the sharp ginzu knife....because to keep that promise....he is going to have to use one.
So?
Been a heck of week. Once in lifetime week. For the US it does not get any sweeter than this. For Pakistan, the country is doing internal hemmorage control on a massive scale. Its creditability on the international geo political scene is smashed.
Some of the US real military abilities were seen this week. Stealth helo, a super commando dog, CIA covert team within walking distance of a major terrorist for months on reconn, 40 highly trained SEALs dedicated to a purpose and mission, skilled helo pilots that figured out how to bust a 20m helo with a hard landing. Does that come out my paycheck?))
From what I picked up....in the last 10 years this Seal team has made 25 missions....or 1 every 5 months. You say that is not alot. LOL.....this 40 man unit is one of 1500 SEAL and SF units. That have a total of 60,000 in them. If each one of those is doing a mission every 5 months is....37500 missions over the last 10 years. Hurra....and we ain't even talking CIA teams.
bin Laden could not comprehend what he was making with 911. People talk that bin Laden was a creation of the US...a bunch of bunk mind you...what bin Laden made was a fine edge on the World's best military. And he just found out the hard way how fine a edge that is.
Using Mumbia, India tactic the Taliban attack 8 government buildings in Kanadahar, Afghan.
None were occupied. 3 of the 6 vehicle bombs were stopped prior to detonation. And at least 6 Taliban were killed. That Taliban stuck with a estimated force of 60. 1 policeman and a civilian were killed and 20 wounded.
The Taliban ...said that they were trying to control of the city.
Maybe it is time for the Taliban headquarter in Pakistan to receive special attention.
A DoD spokesperson just came out with "the bin Laden compound in Abbottabad was a active command and control center for the alQeada leader and its is clear he was not the just the stragetic thinker for the group. He was active in operational planning and in driving tactical decisions."
This flies in the face of GUL (former head of the ISI and CIA informant) was saying about bin Laden. Mentioned in a earlier post.
We dang 'bingo' them, gentlemen.
Let us tuck em away and forget them.
Go get them guys. Dig em out there holes. Find them in their safe houses. Rid the world of alQeada. The week after 911, I shared those words with the Cadet Commander of West Point. Now we get to go do it.
Since 2008....three short years......58 Chinese spies have been either caught or compromised in the US. Yes 58. Most are home grown spies that China is paying off to give up secrets.
In the take same time....they caught the Russian bakers dozen.
None from Iran. And a couple from Isreal.
What is this telling us?
China certainly wants high weapon technology to go with its vast man power. They are willing to pay for it. They have the manufacturing to bring it about. And the military to deploy it. Yet the US Gov't is dealing with them on T-Bills and on dollar issue?
Here a foreign government is sustaining a consistent intelligence gathering program in your country. And you do business with them? What is the Obama administration thinking about?
Come on, he does business with China? The sole major communist Country in the world. The one with the biggest army and with a 'supposedly' self limited number of nuc. I will explain that in a moment. China the far east country that is floating a aircraft carrier and has more planned this year. Put s stealth aircraft together....and fielding a hyper sonic mach 10 speed carrier killer cruise missile.
Has 58 arrested or compromise spies in your country. And untold number that have not be compromised. And your government is doing business with them? It is clear that China is placing herself in position to dominate the far east in military abilities. Along with NKorea, China can field a military of nearly 17m. Combine NKorean nucs with the China Nucs.....and you have a a nuclear program that today is 1/3 our coming Start Treaty level.
But here is what was found at those NKorea hidden reactor sites. Reloadable vertical missile silos. Fire once and then reload. As many times as you want to. Or can. Yes.....interesting? Kind of tips the local far east military balance of military power,yes?
And China? China was making reloadable vertical missile silo at her rare earth mines. Once the mountian had been mined...Chinese had a hardened military complex with reloadable vertical missile silos. Able to launch again and again and again.
So much for the self imposed number of nuc missiles restraint by China and NKorea. So much for the China and NKorea telling us that they want peace in the world. They both have nuclear arensal now. But that is not enough. They also want nuclear dominance.
My historical family had tough time after the American civil war....living in the deep south. I should get payments from Lincoln and the Union because they had tough times?
Perhaps one of sadder aspects of the bin Laden raid will be the outcome of Spec. Bergdahi. Spec Bergdahi is the sole American service man in the custody of the Taliban.
Berghadi's father has gone the Pakistan Military seeking to have his son release from the Taliban. A pretty smart move in my opinion.
A quotes from his recent statement will tell the story.
"Our family is counting on your professional integrity and your honor to secure the safe return of our son. And we thank you. Our family knows the high price that has been paid by your men in the army and frontier corp. We give our condolences and thanks for the fallen for Pakistan."
I am not going to comment more here. My prayers and thoughts for Spec. Berghani and his family.
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The former FM Quershi of Pakistan is calling for the resignation of the President Zardari and PM Gilani for failing to protect the national sovernigity on the bin Laden raid.
If that is the case....that the Pakistani feel bin Laden, a unpassported and unwanted terrorist, in their country for 10 years....was also part of the national soverniety of the country (e.g. like Ford is a US company).....does that not show to what extent this country supports Islamic terrorism?
Quershi is out of power after being ousted from the FM position by Zardari and Gilani over the CIA shooting of the two Paksitani.
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One thing that is interesting to note on the bin Laden raid. The Pakistani army has taken control of the compound, and not the Pakistani law enforcement. Think about it for a moment.
Who in you country would have the jurisdiction on such a site?
Here in the good old US of A local law enforcement.
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Animal right groups are expected soon to wade into the debate on the US military dog that was used in the bin Laden raid.
The US military has 2500 dogs that are used for a variety missions and roles. This one had to be one of the best of best....to be a SEAL Dog. I have seen pics of one these highly trained canine working a build. To be honest with you. bin Laden was lucky to run into the SEALs with guns.
Had he run into the SEAL canine, he would not have gotten the order to surrender. All that would have been found was bin Laden's body with titanium bite marks on it.
To put it simply, this dog is one mean fighting machine. Place him in the ring with a pit bull trained in fighting....the pit bull is whimpering in the corner to get away.
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Did the GWB IET give the intell for the bin Laden raid or not? OReilly has 6 high level US officials that saying, yes. A group of GITMO interrogators is now saying, no.
So the debate rages on.
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In a poll, most American are saying that the Government of Pakistan had to know that bin Laden was there. Americans get to the heart of things pretty fast. 72% of the country thinks that.
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Good economic news. Gas has fallen in $17 per barrel in the last 5 days. Hmm..seems like that western shale oil is coming to market. Anayslst say it is 3-4 weeks to see it at the pump. Because it ain't coming from OPEC that has cut production.
And a big bump in employment. 240,000 new jobs in a jobs. Most all private sector. Anayslst are saying 7% unemployment by 2014. -
The President gave the bin Laden SEAL team.....a unit citiation after hearing their operation in Pakistan. And had a Fort Campbell meeting the aviation unit that flew the mission.
They had the canine dog that did the bin Laden mission there. The President was asked to bring him a doggie treat. Pretty sure ......... Bo the President Portuguese Water dog.....would not have a problem with the President taking his treat to this warrior dog. One snarl from this dog....and he gets any bone in the house. ))
Just leave it to the junk yard dogs to get done.))
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RE: Unilateral Bin Laden Operation
LOL....this thread has degraded badly.bin Laden's son, said the US should have arrested his father and gave him a trial. With the bin Laden's three wives in Pakistani custody, all being debriefed or prepped to make anti American media statements, you can take your choice there.
The heat is going to come from the Pakistani claiming a breach of national soverniety.
Officially bin Laden was 'person non grata' to Pakistan and a 'person sought for criminal acts' in Pakistan gov't prior to the raid. They shielded him, but just never thought he would be caught in their country.
Non grata mean unwanted. Yes, it is a legal status. The Obama administration needs to get its legal staff working here. To making briefs up on bin Laden status, the right of the US to going into a foreign country on military mission, and legal issues of this. If they don't, President Obama is going to be deep fried in Pakistan media.
There was a reason those 100 Pakistani lawyers were doing a bin Laden prayer and anti US rant, several days ago. They are soon to be filing legal briefs against the Obama administration for the raid and bin Laden death.
Nothing like legal briefs to make good news print.