Actually, Bull, I don’t recall making any claims to being intelligent, nor have I really tried to give a full opinion on the subject. My comments about corporations giving money was just to clear up ONE common misconception that is part of a much bigger picture.
I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.
One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.
So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .
I don't see where I implied any such thing in my initial comment. I was merely pointing out that US corporations give staggering amounts annually. But as it happens, there have been many occasions where companies (or someone in the company) was moved to do something simply because they read or heard the story and wanted to do something. It's not unheard of, you know. But the point isn't that they are all wonderful, altruistic entities...simply that they do routinely give sizeable amounts to charity.
I mentioned US companies (be they multi-national or not) because they are the only ones I am familiar with. You are quite free to think what you want. I have ZERO interest in engaging in a childish bi#ch-slapping session with you of all people, so don't expect any further response - other than the fact that you probably should google the issue for your own edification.
Of course their job is to manage the company and increase profits. That's what they are HIRED to do, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand?
Ah but now the discussion is out of context, so let me backtrack. My initial comment was in response ONLY to Chris's remark as follows:
"None whatsoever,as managers,CEO,Chairmen,their only concern is ,how to reach their targets,for the so much sought after bonuses or golden handshakes.- Those people dont know what moral standards are."
I was simply stating that corporations do, in fact, give millions of dollars every year to the betterment of their communities. That's indisputable. Don't know where the other guy came from, but that's the gist of the original conversation
Yes, Chris. I have seen countless examples of corporate benevolence in all facets of our community and the nation at large. In addition to the fact that most pay a damn good salary for people to live off of, the VAST majority of corporations give quite willingly and on a very consistent basis. You seem to have bought into the current rhetoric that all companies are big, mean faceless enemies who are only out to screw people. You would be wrong.
OK...I just watched the briefing. Offhand I would say it's a very carefully crafted myth based on lots of actual facts. I see a scary number of truths, but also see where they have been falsely manupulated in some areas to support her argument. I think she miscalculates the inherent spirit of Americans, as well, but still very interesting!
Seriously, if she can make a LOGICAL argument for anything I'm happy to listen and learn - but if it's just idealogical nonsense I won't respect the work.
We all have to pay taxes and I have no problem with that for the services rendered. The problem is when you put a bunch of monkeys in office who have NO IDEA how to manage money or create working programs that are self-sustaining, you end up bankrupt. Period. Whoever is in charge needs to know how to manage, not just create pie-in-the sky idealist pipe dreams that are completely impossible to sustain.
Every kind of government needs a working financial program, Boban, or it will not survive. That's not greed, that's just good old-fashioned horse sense.
Someone needs to add into this equation the cost of unpaid medical for the illegals, plus the cost of anchor babies and all the subsidies that comes with that. "Free" education, food stamps, housing, etc. for them and their families. It's a big dollar figure, too. Also the cost to all those who's identities have been stolen.
It would be interesting to see a factual list of all the plus's and minuses.
And they should be licensed and governed to ensure certain standards are met. The problem is now that businesses are so OVER-REGULATED by the government that they can no longer make a profit. Why do you think jobs are going overseas (to places, by the way, that have far worse employee standards)? Because the government has forced them to.
I know. I was just teasing you. But you cannot draw to many parallels between the French Revolution and what is happening in America. The system, problems and social structure were entirely different.
They are already taxed very heavily. In fact they pay the majority of taxes in the nation. Better to worry about the other 50 percent of the nation who pay NO taxes and live off the backs of others. If the government would stop crippling business there would be jobs for these people. If you eliminate the money makers, you eliminate the jobs and then the government has NO money to support those living off the system. So nobody wins and we all end up in bread lines.
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Keeping my fingers crossed, too.
But will I have nightmares? 
RE: COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Blame the farmer, not the pig.