confused about the vaccine

I hear on the news....or at least they make it sound like...that if you are vaccinated you will not spread the virus. I literally just heard a report about the potential for spreading the virus in the Olympic games. They said that 80% of the athletes have been vaccinated and there was not much of a concern there for the spreading of the virus...but the audience was on average only 20% vaccinated...and that is where the real threat of spreading came from.

As far as I know, the vaccine only helped with mitigating the symptoms of the virus, but you could still get it. So in essence, a vaccinated person could indeed have the virus, spread it....and not even know they were spreading it because they were not suffering from the symptoms. I am not a brain surgeon...but, wouldn't that make them more of a risk for spreading it? I mean, at least the unvaccinated knew they were sick and would not be out in public areas....hence, spreading it less. dunno
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Those who do not want or trust the vaccine should not get it. I ask only that you name me in your will as the proper inheritor of your money and possessions.
banana
Agree Ken.

This is not an easy clean cut do or don't.

Yes it's experimental, yes it was pulled through in a hurry, we R all a slight bit guinea pigs here.
Some see a conspire, some don't.

Fact remains: covid 19 is out there. YOU decide if you want a risky protection that may or may not be effective. Or take your chances without.

1/3 of the ones going to hospital dies, the other 2/3's may never be the same again.
I have the Luxury of being able to do Extreme & Extended Lockdown.
I've also researched methods of Strengthening one's Immune System.

I know a married couple - He's an MD & vaxed for Professional Reasons.
She's researched the vax & has opted to Not take it. They're Still Married ... hug

Best Case Scenario - Get to the other side of the Pandemic with Neither covid Nor vax.
Should covid be encountered, keep the Immune System in Good Working Order.

I know folks IRL who were unvaxed & got covid - Some recovered, some not.

I know folks IRL who were vaxed -
Most are fine, one's had a Serious Adverse Event, one's dead.

Whatever Any of y'all's plan for getting through the Pandemic - I wish All y'all Well.

cowboy
Hi Johnny,

I had two shots of Pfizer, doing great, we're waiting for my son to get his schedule. Life here in Amman has started to have some sort of normalcy. daily Positive rates and number of deaths have significantly decreased. I went to the office and stayed their longer for the first time in almost a year in half , people can now walk around without masks, I'm still wearing one when I'm out there thoughlaugh
wave Crazy ... hug

cowboy
I heard after 2nd shot , there will be third shot..and after third , there will be 4th..eventually every 6th months regular gene therapy.

As you know this virus can evolve indefinitely.
The number of possible genetic mutations is greater than all the atoms in the visible universe?

I feel sorry for all fearful people who don't accept death as a natural event that occurs every second on this planet.

On the contrary, the acceptance will prolong your life.
Thank you all for your contributions. I have read them all and I hope others as well. I really thought there was some good valid debate between the different opinions/data shared. thumbs up I have gotten a better understanding of the vaccine, however there still does not seem to be a consensus among everybody whether the vaccine is truly a good thing or a bad thing.

Regarding my original post about the vaccine, there does seem to be an agreement on that portion...that it does seem that those who are vaccinated do have a lower amount of the virus, so thus, they only pass along that less harmful amount to others. However with that said, they can still pass it along to others...presumably, unwittingly.

In the most recent news I was just listening to seconds ago...it seems there is discussion about making the vaccine mandatory. hmmm

...anyway...

Thank you all.

wave
Hello CH,

Nice to see you are still kicking and nice to see you in general. I am happy to hear your vaccination is going well. I do know several people around here who have had it and they all say things are fine. Well, I know some who only got the first one. My sister is scheduled for her second one tomorrow (I think). Hopefully all goes well with her and everyone.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

wave
Hello Ana,

You know with the news I just heard, here in the states, we may not have a choice about taking the vaccine or not.

But regarding your post...I gather you are speaking of natural selection and we should just accept that. It can be argued that is/was God's plan for us....or if you prefer....the higher nature of the universe. That very well could be; however, what if this virus is not the work of the higher nature of the universe or of God? Then what?

I sure hope I am interpreting your message here correctly. laugh

wave
Hi Crazy. hug


I think the mistake is imagining there is another side. There is no reason at all for the virus to suddenly wink out of existence now that it has been well established it can survive outside a laboratory environment. So there is no getting to the other side of the pandemic. Every piece of mail in your mail box, every thing you touch from a store if bought recently (within the past 3 months), every person you talk to, every stitch of clothing you wear that someones breath brushed against, every thing you buy at the deli, your chicken from the KFC, your dog when he comes in. your cat, your child home from school, the virus can be lurking on any of them waiting for you to touch it, or breath it in, or ingest it. It is what viruses do.
If there are enough of them taken in by you (the number is imprecise and varies depending on the individual and circumstances) then either your immune system gets over run or they slide by and start killing your cells one by one. The beautiful thing about this virus is because it is new it initially triggers no response from your immune system. Your internal border patrol can't see them! UNLESS of course, you had the vaccine and or have had the virus before but survived. The vaccine provides an instruction set to your T cells and they pass the information on to your killer cells. The same thing happens if you survive an infection. Our marvelous T cells collect fragment, and keep a record of that invader's attributes then notifiy your future white blood cells so they know to kill it. But no past infection, no antibodies, no vaccine to force your T cells to make antibodies? The raider is invisible to your defenses and sooner or later you are about to be pillaged, and maybe burnt too. RIP
professor
The Original Vaccine for anything --> beer
If that is the case Robert, when they coming knocking on my door with the military and ask me if I have been vaccinated, I can respond....yes. laugh
And then, you tell them you got the refrigerator full of 32 ounce bottles of beer, and they'll sit down, watch cable TV, and join you. cheers
Johnny,

I know a dude whose got bad teeth. He plans on wearing the mask as long as possible. grin
That's a good idea with the bad teeth. I just heard a story from a lady who has bad teeth....kind of ironic. laugh If she only kept her mask on, she probably would not have gotten fired from her job. conversing Okay...this is going somewhere else. laugh

Anyway Robert, no many how many beers in the fridge....I just don't think I will be home at that time. idea laugh
Well, whatever you do, don't drink and blog. First you drink, then you blog. drinking

cheers

Aw-right, time for me to get some zzzzzzzz's sleep

Thanks for the fun chat.
Thank you as well Robert. Take care...it is getting that time here too.


Thanks for the funny story you shared. thumbs up

Good night.
... Like no one could see That a'comin' ... rolling on the floor laughing

cowboy
hmmm

cowboy
Hi Mic!
Hi Ken!
Hi Rob!
Hi Johnnylaugh

I read yesterday that there will be a third jab for Pfizerdoh and yes, looks like it's going to become a quarterly thing now, big money for the pharma!

it's here to stay so I guess the only thing we can do is to be extra careful, keep wearing mask and dont forget alcohol and sanitizer wherever you go...and avoid crowded places ! How are supposed to go forth and multiplydoh laugh
thumbs up
ALWAYS Follow The Money.

Some months ago - when the mRNA Therapy was coming out - I predicted the $Billions being raked in by Big Pharma would bring about a pandemic OF Pandemics.

Any time anyone anywhere in the World Sneezes, the sycophant News Outlets will proclaim a Pandemic & their Big Pharma Sponsors will demand $Billions to develop / produce New Products -
Which News Outlets will then pitch as the ONLY Alternative to Certain Death.

What with the Delta Variant & the New "Vax" ...
... They didn't lose any time proving me Correct, eh? ... batting

cowboy
Lefties Caught Up In A Covid Cult ...
hole

cowboy
@mic Lefties Caught Up In A Covid Cult ...
You are so obsessed with this left right thing. Get real - humans are humans, you can find whatever statistics you want, but there is nothing meaningful in it, nor in what you post.
From what I hear, they are going to be going door to door.

Makes me wonder, where in history have we heard about a people's government going door to door. confused

Anyway, if you are a Fox News listener, they say not to answer the door and don't tell them anything. hmmm

dunno
Fargo -
Your Beef is with Bill Maher very mad NOT your humble Commenter ... blushing

Note that I said "Lefties" - Not "Leftards" ... Color me all Joe Sensitive ... teddybear

cowboy
Mic,

I wonder just who they will be sending to people's doors. I have a suspicion.
Because from what I understand, there are some people that are not looking forward to people showing up to their doors.
BTW, I don't think forged documents are going to hold any water.
If you remember, GWB made it so all medical records are computerized and can be accessed from a central data base. Something tells me, if you have a forged document and their data base says something different...it won't be a good outcome.
....and something tells me....if you don't open your door to them, they will know whether or not you are inside. I wonder how that outcome ends. dunno
If you remember Katrina and that little old lady who did not want to leave her house. She left anyway.dunno

Hopefully I am just getting all confused here. laugh
Grand....I don't know.

I am sure they will show up with ice cream cones and big checks too.


laugh
I know there is reason to be skeptical about many things.

But you will not be forced to take the shot is my long term bet.
Human rights & law suits.
At least I know that will not happen in Norway ever.

Despite a wild gov and wild Wash d.c and more wild stuff, still USA is the land of the free- right?
So chill and say no when they come, politely but firmly.

Just ref human rights, cos this is actually one of them.
Ozzie's UNDOUBTEDLY Correct ... Prob'ly.

But do want to take the Chance of being Guillotined in a Wal-Mart® FEMA Camp???
NO scold ... Of COURSE You Don't!

Can you Trust your Friends & Family (Including IN-LAWS uh oh ) Not to Rat You Out???
NO scold ...Of COURSE You Can't!

Get your Forged Proof Of Vaccine Papers at Amazon® NOW -
BEFORE the Covid Vax Stadtpolizei are At Your Door giving you a One Way Ticket on the Cattle Car Express!!

tinfoil hat Trust #1
Thanks all. Ana, that is interesting with their predictions. For sure makes me wonder. Thank you for sharing.


wave wave wave
Hey <robbert, you caaan't just throw out undocumented claims like that?
Where is your link to a serous news site or doctorial document puplished in a medisin news outlet, and I mean this last decade, not some outdated one... grr.. hmmm? This will not do! mumbling

beverage delivery
GS,

But aren't all news sites and documents written by someone? Everything is written by people. Humans.
Some claimed Coffee was no good for people. Later, others claimed it is good for people.

Influence the people by influencing those who influence the people. beer
The data changes all the time. First, vaccine only good against 67% from Israel. Now Pfizer is saying it. Of course they have the money thing going. 70% of hospital cases are non vaccinated. Now today 99%.
Side effects are rare. Then why are more being talked about? A couple was just on the news. They both got both shots. Waited months..or did they wait a year after. Anyway..to go on vacation. They are now warning people..wear masks. Cause they came home and both have covid. Headaches, pain, etc. She says she had pneumonia years back and credits shots with staying free of it this time. Just had bad cold symptoms.
What they say is rare might not be so rare. And what will happen when under 12s are sneezing on each other. Any person who had both shots could be a Typhoid Mary. Symptom free and spreading as they go about without masks. To non and fully.
What will the future bring. And how come nothing is said in regards to Moderna or J&J shots?dunno confused
It is okay. Most of the deaths are and will be the ones not vaccinated. Most of those here are such by choice (as opposed to places like Haiti where even the first dose has yet to be administered and probably won't be till the populatin goes down by half). In America most of the not yet vaccinated are Trump supporters and it is of course to the Democtrat advantage to have that be so. By 2024 most of them will probably be dead which ensures another Biden win. The current Democrat strategy is offer the vaccine while feeding posts and fake evidence the virus vaccine is bad into social media (as we see here). The Trumpies lap it up and refuse the vaccine and Delta will take them just like it is doing to populaces of India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Qatar, etc. All goes according to Democrat plan.
professor
Robert, I hear what you are saying....I think anyway. laugh (I am actually reading what you are saying) tongue Perhaps you should have been a doctor and prescribe beer to your patients. laugh

cheers
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