GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
Snuggs09: The Constitution of the United States was adopted in 1787. Our forefathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution to empower homesteaders the right to protect their family from anyone who would cause them harm. The western part of the United States was wild and still being developed. Indians or even other landowners would try to run you off your property. In 1787 there weren’t local police departments, the FBI or any type of law enforcement agency. A family had to have a gun to protect themselves.
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
Does it actually say that?
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Hi Wabbit.........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
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Snuggs09: The Constitution of the United States was adopted in 1787. Our forefathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution to empower homesteaders the right to protect their family from anyone who would cause them harm. The western part of the United States was wild and still being developed. Indians or even other landowners would try to run you off your property. In 1787 there weren’t local police departments, the FBI or any type of law enforcement agency. A family had to have a gun to protect themselves.
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
It's useless, bullets are also parts of business. You know, when I bought my printer four years ago, it did not seem expensive till I had to change the catridge 6 times with refilling them with ink.
It would be difficult to limit quantity if bullets given per gun, at least it is possible to limit the quantity of guns per person (why a man needs a whole arsenal)
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Fallingman: Does it actually say that?
Not in those exact words. The Second Amendment is very long and I had to paraphrase the wording. What I wrote is in a nutshell what the Amendment stands for. The following are exact wording from the Second Amendment "A well regulated milita being necessary to the security of the free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
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vinny1967: Hi Wabbit.........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
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vinny1967: Hi Wabbit.........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
Just dropped in to say hello..........
I would not have an opinion on why Automatic weapons would be allowed for sale for hunting...........
Best of luck with this thread btw..........
Hi Vinny....I'm sure I will have NRA members stomping on me.
That's another Amendment....the right to free speech.
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Snuggs09: Hi Vinny....I'm sure I will have NRA members stomping on me.
That's another Amendment....the right to free speech.
That's another Amendment....the right to free speech.
Yeah I agree...........
Theres goin to be more statistics quoted on this thread than any other............just watch.........
Hope your well..............
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Snuggs09: Not in those exact words. The Second Amendment is very long and I had to paraphrase the wording. What I wrote is in a nutshell what the Amendment stands for. The following are exact wording from the Second Amendment "A well regulated milita being necessary to the security of the free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
So the arms are to be kept in case the Government needs to raise a local militia? Not for private use?
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Fallingman: Does it actually say that?
NO,it does not.I own a few guns, not many, one 20 GA.youth shotgun,one 20 GA.22 over and under,somewhat rare gun,12 GA, pump, and a 22 ,14 shot semi-auto, I dont hunt, but I did when I was younger, however my son and I really enjoy skeet shooting. It is just good times for us to be together ,father and son.If you take guns away from the people what does anyone think this will do, stop the criminals from having them I think not. But I do not see why anyone needs these auto assault weapons, unless you plan on a few drive by shootings.I think we may need to address this ,but to ban firearms all together I am not so for that.------ This thread is Archived ------
Fallingman: So the arms are to be kept in case the Government needs to raise a local militia? Not for private use?
not exactly ,but is part of it yes.
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Rather than repeal or amend the 2nd Amendment, wouldn't it just make more sense to enforce the myriad of gun control laws that are already in existence?
There's more that I could add regarding the 2nd Amendment, but I'm afraid that it might be construed as an attack against your 1st Amendment rights. Suffice it to say that it's my belief that one of the reasons we still have a 1st Amendment is precisely because of the 2nd Amendment...
There's more that I could add regarding the 2nd Amendment, but I'm afraid that it might be construed as an attack against your 1st Amendment rights. Suffice it to say that it's my belief that one of the reasons we still have a 1st Amendment is precisely because of the 2nd Amendment...
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While in college I did some research regarding gun control. The unfortunate reality is that guns used in crimes are generally stolen or purchased from the black market. Generally, so is the ammunition used.
It has been sometime so my statistics will not be perfectly accurate, however when Florida instigated their right to carry law, crime went down. Around 20% or more of the criminals that were interviewed stated that they did not commit at least one crime based on the belief that the victim either owned a weapon or was carrying one.
There is a town somewhere in Utah that has a mandatory gun ownership law. I do not remember the statistic, but their crime rate was lower then comparable towns.
Living in Arizona it is legal to walk around the streets with a gun on your hip. I take advantage of this law. Not because I intend to ever shoot anyone. Honestly, the day I take a life will begin the most difficult part of my life, if not making the rest of my life difficult. It is a deterant to anyone that sees me carrying.
Personally, I think gun ownership and training should be mandatory for all American Citizens. Not so you can take lives, but so that you have the knowledge of being safe with a weapon and you know the true power of it. Everyone should hunt or fish once. Why? Because then you know what it is like.
If our communities are responsibly armed, with the proper training, crime will go down.
Just some food for thought:
It has been sometime so my statistics will not be perfectly accurate, however when Florida instigated their right to carry law, crime went down. Around 20% or more of the criminals that were interviewed stated that they did not commit at least one crime based on the belief that the victim either owned a weapon or was carrying one.
There is a town somewhere in Utah that has a mandatory gun ownership law. I do not remember the statistic, but their crime rate was lower then comparable towns.
Living in Arizona it is legal to walk around the streets with a gun on your hip. I take advantage of this law. Not because I intend to ever shoot anyone. Honestly, the day I take a life will begin the most difficult part of my life, if not making the rest of my life difficult. It is a deterant to anyone that sees me carrying.
Personally, I think gun ownership and training should be mandatory for all American Citizens. Not so you can take lives, but so that you have the knowledge of being safe with a weapon and you know the true power of it. Everyone should hunt or fish once. Why? Because then you know what it is like.
If our communities are responsibly armed, with the proper training, crime will go down.
Just some food for thought:
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Fallingman: So the arms are to be kept in case the Government needs to raise a local militia? Not for private use?
No, the arms definitely are for private use. When it was written the reference to "the militia" was the people themselves...."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
And still in 2009 "the people" are protected by the Constitution to bear arms for private use.....misuse! If you watch the news, read newspapers, it is obvious that the Second Amendment is not written for todays world. I turn on the TV when I get home from work and can pretty much expect to hear about 4 or 5 shoots in New York, New Jersey, California....
People shoot each other because they want their sneakers....their watch....or they just don't want you talking to someone they don't like. It's out of control.
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Oh, and for the record, I'm not a member of the NRA, and Snuggs I think it is great to have these types of discussions. As Americans we need to discuss important topics. I'm all for being open minded and if statistics prove the opposing viewpoint, the more important the conversations are.
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Snuggs09: No, the arms definitely are for private use. When it was written the reference to "the militia" was the people themselves...."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
And still in 2009 "the people" are protected by the Constitution to bear arms for private use.....misuse! If you watch the news, read newspapers, it is obvious that the Second Amendment is not written for todays world. I turn on the TV when I get home from work and can pretty much expect to hear about 4 or 5 shoots in New York, New Jersey, California....
People shoot each other because they want their sneakers....their watch....or they just don't want you talking to someone they don't like. It's out of control.
And still in 2009 "the people" are protected by the Constitution to bear arms for private use.....misuse! If you watch the news, read newspapers, it is obvious that the Second Amendment is not written for todays world. I turn on the TV when I get home from work and can pretty much expect to hear about 4 or 5 shoots in New York, New Jersey, California....
People shoot each other because they want their sneakers....their watch....or they just don't want you talking to someone they don't like. It's out of control.
Snuggs I would like to present another angle of the times. Our fore fathers were writing a document ensuring that their freedoms were protected from a Monarch that wanted to be able to control his subjects.
They wanted the ability to not only hunt for subsistence, protect themselves from the Indians but to also protect themselves from a government that had a history of beheading and slaughtering its own subjects.
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Snuggs09: Not in those exact words. The Second Amendment is very long and I had to paraphrase the wording.
And yet, you surpassed the original amendment in word count, lol.
It says, quite simply:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I don't see anything about protecting your home, wild Indians, or anything else in your paraphrase in there.
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azdesperado72: While in college I did some research regarding gun control. The unfortunate reality is that guns used in crimes are generally stolen or purchased from the black market. Generally, so is the ammunition used.
It has been sometime so my statistics will not be perfectly accurate, however when Florida instigated their right to carry law, crime went down. Around 20% or more of the criminals that were interviewed stated that they did not commit at least one crime based on the belief that the victim either owned a weapon or was carrying one.
There is a town somewhere in Utah that has a mandatory gun ownership law. I do not remember the statistic, but their crime rate was lower then comparable towns.
Living in Arizona it is legal to walk around the streets with a gun on your hip. I take advantage of this law. Not because I intend to ever shoot anyone. Honestly, the day I take a life will begin the most difficult part of my life, if not making the rest of my life difficult. It is a deterant to anyone that sees me carrying.
Personally, I think gun ownership and training should be mandatory for all American Citizens. Not so you can take lives, but so that you have the knowledge of being safe with a weapon and you know the true power of it. Everyone should hunt or fish once. Why? Because then you know what it is like.
If our communities are responsibly armed, with the proper training, crime will go down.
Just some food for thought:
It has been sometime so my statistics will not be perfectly accurate, however when Florida instigated their right to carry law, crime went down. Around 20% or more of the criminals that were interviewed stated that they did not commit at least one crime based on the belief that the victim either owned a weapon or was carrying one.
There is a town somewhere in Utah that has a mandatory gun ownership law. I do not remember the statistic, but their crime rate was lower then comparable towns.
Living in Arizona it is legal to walk around the streets with a gun on your hip. I take advantage of this law. Not because I intend to ever shoot anyone. Honestly, the day I take a life will begin the most difficult part of my life, if not making the rest of my life difficult. It is a deterant to anyone that sees me carrying.
Personally, I think gun ownership and training should be mandatory for all American Citizens. Not so you can take lives, but so that you have the knowledge of being safe with a weapon and you know the true power of it. Everyone should hunt or fish once. Why? Because then you know what it is like.
If our communities are responsibly armed, with the proper training, crime will go down.
Just some food for thought:
Couldn't disagree with you more.
When you think you are being safe because you carry a gun, you are encouraging someone to prove that you aren't as safe as you think you are.
To carry a gun just for the heck of it is nonsense.
Would you shoot someone if they attacked you? If not, then why carry a gun?
I understand why you think "everyone" should carry a gun....you are from Arizona....the western part of the country. It is a way of life in the west to carry a gun and drive a pickup truck.
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Snuggs09: I turn on the TV when I get home from work and can pretty much expect to hear about 4 or 5 shoots in New York, New Jersey, California....
And ironically [not really], those are the 3 states with the toughest gun restrictions.
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It is a sad state of affairs when the majority of our citizens are left with no right of protection in their own homes and are at the mercy of the drug addicts ahd thieves who wish to violate their right to Life Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. This is why the constitution allowed us to bear arms not just for hunting.Also remember the Boston Tea Party and do not forget without the right to bear arms the government can also get out of hand. The right to bear arms is part of our right to protect ourselves from the tyrany of bad government and the primary reason for the current drive to take them from us.
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It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….