GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing ( Archived) (888)

Mar 21, 2009 2:03 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
To add, there are certain firearms that are prohibited, in the UK.
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Mar 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
gooddogman
gooddogmangooddogmanLeesburg, Florida USA23 Threads 1,028 Posts
This has been very interesting from my view. We are teaching the childern in this world it is ok to watch killings on video games where they Kill for points. We make movies on killing with chain saws to bombs and call it entertainment. No one wants to remove this media. I spoke of Gun safety classes for teenagers and got Booed from the U.K . I have been a Firearms instructor and Hunter safety instructor. for teenagers 14 and up. My students have learned firearms saftey and respect. I have a good record none of my students have committed a crime. I had to handle a case where a boy was killed by a playmate then his body was hidden under the house where it was found by my K-9 Blitz.
The boy were playing with a gun and it accidently went off they were playing with a loaded gun and had no training. The Boys were watching a movie Arnold Swartzani**er (sp) killing cops. Terminator. Gun are a fact of life if we live in ignorance then this will happen. The boy of Colunbine(sp) were also watching movie about killing people. The freedom of speech protects these movie makers but no one seem to care what we put into the minds of our youth we focus on the systom and not the disease. I have watched the courts release scum, drug dealers and rapest back on the streets only to offend again. This is the problems not the guns. It is called RESPECT and there are few willing to teach this. The police are working hard to control the crime and need a parents help because their is no respect for the LAWS.
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Mar 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Sommerauer71: This is a good point you raise Snuggs.

I am against civilians at all to have the right to hold a firearm, here or in any oountry.

That is the law, I can do nothing about it. I choose not to hold a gun, simply because I have never been exposed or raised in that environment.

I have managed all of my adult life to keep myself and my children safe, if a person broke into my house, I would tell them to take everything, as long as they did not harm me or my family.

If a person stops me in the street, tries to rob me of my wallet or purse, I am going to give it to them.

Same with my car, I am going to hand it over. I would not prevent a person from taking those inanimate objects.

It is OUR responsibility to keep ourselves safe, however, a person that chooses to hold a firearm, with a licence, is entirely up to them and if within the guidelines of the law, then I have no problems with that. I am neither for or against it. I choose not to hold one. I have no reason to hold one, I am not terrified so much that I am going to need one. It just does not enter my sphere.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the UK, I do believe that the gun laws state a gun has to be locked away, there has to be a reason on the licence such as shooting or farming, I am unclear, same in the US, I know little about gun laws, but I am learning lots from this thread.
sommer I have a few guns ,I don't shoot at people ,they are NOT to save my home or family, I do not hunt (but did in my youth), I do however Skeet shoot as I have said before, I break no laws and enjoy my sport with my son and whoever wishes to jion in, not everone carries a gun to shoot or kill something or someone.professor
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Mar 21, 2009 2:07 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
Sommerauer71: This is a good point you raise Snuggs.

I am against civilians at all to have the right to hold a firearm, here or in any oountry.

That is the law, I can do nothing about it. I choose not to hold a gun, simply because I have never been exposed or raised in that environment.

I have managed all of my adult life to keep myself and my children safe, if a person broke into my house, I would tell them to take everything, as long as they did not harm me or my family.

If a person stops me in the street, tries to rob me of my wallet or purse, I am going to give it to them.

Same with my car, I am going to hand it over. I would not prevent a person from taking those inanimate objects.

It is OUR responsibility to keep ourselves safe, however, a person that chooses to hold a firearm, with a licence, is entirely up to them and if within the guidelines of the law, then I have no problems with that. I am neither for or against it. I choose not to hold one. I have no reason to hold one, I am not terrified so much that I am going to need one. It just does not enter my sphere.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in the UK, I do believe that the gun laws state a gun has to be locked away, there has to be a reason on the licence such as shooting or farming, I am unclear, same in the US, I know little about gun laws, but I am learning lots from this thread.



You are right Sommer if you have a license for a gun in the UK you have to have a very good reason to have one, the police come and check that it is locked away in a metal container with a padlock etc...

You are sent a letter from the local Police to renew the lic every so often and must also proove you can use and handle it in a correct and safe manner....

Even on the farm it is rarely used to shoot to kill...

I have witnessed my ex fire a shot in the air to give the fox a sporting chance to escape when it has been amongst the sheep and the same with those crows that pluck out the new born lambs eyes...
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Mar 21, 2009 2:13 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
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Mar 21, 2009 2:16 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
bodleing: Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
That may be true ,but I would wonder how many are related to "gangs" This is a very large problem here ...... just sayinghandshake
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Mar 21, 2009 2:18 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
jessejess47: That may be true ,but I would wonder how many are related to "gangs" This is a very large problem here ...... just saying



Yes and without a doubt black market guns...wave wink thumbs up
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Mar 21, 2009 2:21 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
gooddogman
gooddogmangooddogmanLeesburg, Florida USA23 Threads 1,028 Posts
After all this I have learned that I am very glad that I was born in the U.S.A and can own a legal firearm. I guess that's why I am a dog not a sheep. I am also a NRA member and will Keep my Right to Bear Arms
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Mar 21, 2009 2:21 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
jessejess47: sommer I have a few guns ,I don't shoot at people ,they are NOT to save my home or family, I do not hunt (but did in my youth), I do however Skeet shoot as I have said before, I break no laws and enjoy my sport with my son and whoever wishes to jion in, not everone carries a gun to shoot or kill something or someone.


Oh of this I am aware, Jesse, I know that people do not have guns 'just to shoot at people' I am not that daft as to assume such a generalisation.

What is 'skeet shooting?'
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Mar 21, 2009 2:22 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
gooddogman: After all this I have learned that I am very glad that I was born in the U.S.A and can own a legal firearm. I guess that's why I am a dog not a sheep. I am also a NRA member and will Keep my Right to Bear Arms
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Mar 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
p.s I have not dragged I have discussed that is your word K not mine.....

I have nothing to drag about ...Gun issues are nothing to drag about....a gun is designed to kill and harm....handshake
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Mar 21, 2009 2:25 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Sommerauer71: Oh of this I am aware, Jesse, I know that people do not have guns 'just to shoot at people' I am not that daft as to assume such a generalisation.

What is 'skeet shooting?'
you launch small round disks into the air and shoot them with shotguns , a very popular sport here and it is good clean fun just as fishing or any sport for that matter , it is just a type of target shooting is all. Oh I would like to invite anyone to try this and just see if you enjoy it many women are very good at it I might add ,and young boy and girls. wave
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Mar 21, 2009 2:26 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71: Oh of this I am aware, Jesse, I know that people do not have guns 'just to shoot at people' I am not that daft as to assume such a generalisation.

What is 'skeet shooting?'
Using a Shotgun,shooting at moving Clay Targets.An Olympic Discipline.





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Mar 21, 2009 2:27 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71: Oh of this I am aware, Jesse, I know that people do not have guns 'just to shoot at people' I am not that daft as to assume such a generalisation.

What is 'skeet shooting?'



Skeet shooting is one of the three major types of competitive shotgun shooting at targets (the others are trap shooting and sporting clays). ...
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Mar 21, 2009 2:27 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
petalbabe
petalbabepetalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland61 Threads 1 Polls 3,101 Posts
jessejess47: you launch small round disks into the air and shoot them with shotguns , a very popular sport here and it is good clean fun just as fishing or any sport for that matter , it is just a type of target shooting is all. Oh I would like to invite anyone to try this and just see if you enjoy it many women are very good at it I might add ,and young boy and girls.


You learn something every day!

We call it clay pidgeon shooting here..

laugh laugh
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Mar 21, 2009 2:28 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
petalbabe: You learn something every day!

We call it clay pidgeon shooting here..
some do here as well petal....wave
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Mar 21, 2009 2:29 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
Sommerauer71: Oh of this I am aware, Jesse, I know that people do not have guns 'just to shoot at people' I am not that daft as to assume such a generalisation.

What is 'skeet shooting?'



I think Skeet shooting is a recognised Olympic sport...

You fire at targets with a shot gun...dunno
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Mar 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Tamarin: You are right Sommer if you have a license for a gun in the UK you have to have a very good reason to have one, the police come and check that it is locked away in a metal container with a padlock etc...

You are sent a letter from the local Police to renew the lic every so often and must also proove you can use and handle it in a correct and safe manner....

Even on the farm it is rarely used to shoot to kill...

I have witnessed my ex fire a shot in the air to give the fox a sporting chance to escape when it has been amongst the sheep and the same with those crows that pluck out the new born lambs eyes...


Thank you.

So your ex had a gun?

Also, there are stringent laws, a person who has been in prison for more than three years is not allowed one, a person with a record of mental health issues is not allowed one.

I am sure that in the US, there are stringent and strident laws that are in place too.

So, the law tightening is all well and good, it is the people who find loopholes in the law, that are the dangerous ones.

The Tony Martin case, an example of a man who was sentenced to life for shooting an intruder.

He was released from prison. His case was not about gun law, it was about the right to protect his own property, that was taken away from him.

I have to say, whilst I do not advocate guns, at all, I do see however, that people have them and know how to use them, why should they not show their child how to respect a dangerous weapon?

If a man has a gun, legally and he has children, why would he not want to show his son how to shoot, and enjoy some sport?

All very well screeching about gun laws, but on a Saturday afternoon, at the local clay pigeon shoot, or shooting a rifle at the funfair, is widely available.

Guns will never be free from soceity, it is not the laws, it is the people who break the law that need addressing.
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Mar 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
petalbabe: You learn something every day!

We call it clay pidgeon shooting here..



Ah, see my post, I know what it is.
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Mar 21, 2009 2:33 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Tamarin: I think Skeet shooting is a recognised Olympic sport...

You fire at targets with a shot gun...
yes it is Tam...wave
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