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Mar 21, 2009 4:08 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
lastato
lastatolastatocatania, California USA2 Threads 49 Posts
so u are still a life dancing dancing
Conrad73: Turn in all your edged House-Implement NOW!!!!
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Mar 21, 2009 4:10 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jtlextreme
jtlextremejtlextremeThornton, Colorado USA43 Posts
it stems from ones god given right to protect ones self and in this country their right to freedom. I find it odd that one of the foundations that has made this country so great and free is something people would dare change. Seems like everyone wants to immigrate here for a reason. Gun control has failed all over the world, I would rather face a man with a gun then a man with a bomb any day. regardless of guns people will find a way to kill one another I am just thankful I have the right as an American to protect myself and my love ones.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:11 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47: also this is a deep rooted tradition in our history and we as Americans for the most part take this very deep in our hearts, it is but a few here that think we should give up our arms, Daniel Boone , Davy Crocket our heros here, Thomas Jefferson and all of the forefathers also were from other countries and gave us this "RIGHT", it will indeed be a very hard thing to do to remove this "RIGHT" in this country , right or wrong this is how it is
They did not "Give" those Rights
They weren't theirs to give.
They are Man's Natural rights derived from the Right to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Framers of the Constitution simply,maybe for the First Time in History,enumerated them.
If it is proper for Man to own those Rights,it is also proper for him to own the Means to defend them.
Negate the Means to defend those Rights,you also abolish them,can't have the Cake and eat it too.
Some of those Gunstealing Liberals are hellbent to make People to believe otherwise.uh oh conversing wave
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Mar 21, 2009 4:12 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
bodleing: But as someone mentioned earlier,

we have gangs in the UK.

You have to admit, 250 times greater???
That's really is quite a lot.
I might be wrong, but I could jump to the
conclusion it has something to do with the
availability of guns, perhaps.
I would agree with you here but we are changing laws in many states to address this , it takes time , it will not change over night , we as Americans do see our faults and do try to correct the wrongs that are made , we are not always right ,but I for one do do the best I can, but I am not going to give up my firearms to anyone , and I will support the NRA and our way of lifehead banger wave
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Mar 21, 2009 4:13 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Conrad73: They did not "Give" those Rights
They weren't theirs to give.
They are Man's Natural rights derived from the Right to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Framers of the Constitution simply,maybe for the First Time in History,enumerated them.
If it is proper for Man to own those Rights,it is also proper for him to own the Means to defend them.
Negate the Means to defend those Rights,you also abolish them,can't have the Cake and eat it too.
Some of those Gunstealing Liberals are hellbent to make People to believe otherwise.
I stand corrected ,but my point i think was madehandshake
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Mar 21, 2009 4:13 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
lastato: so u are still a life
Better turn in that MACHETE of yours!uh oh mumbling
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Mar 21, 2009 4:13 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47: I stand corrected ,but my point i think was made
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Mar 21, 2009 4:14 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
I found a good article, has anyone read this, it's pretty interesting.

Ten Myths About Gun Control

By Glen Otero, PhD

Myth 1: The proliferation of guns in this country is responsible for an increase in the violent crime rate.

This is arguably the most pervasive untruth associated with firearms. It is true that there is a great deal of gun-related violent crime in this country, including homicide, robbery and assault. Additionally, the proliferation of firearms in this country has been steadily increasing. These two facts have led many to believe that the increase in guns in this country is responsible for the increase in violent crime. However, decades of data collecting and analysis reveal that nothing about a guns/crime relationship is self-evident.

In 1978 the National Institute of Justice initiated a study to examine the relationship between firearms and violence. Upon reviewing the criminological research to date, the authors of the study concluded that there were no strong causal connections between private gun ownership and the crime rate. Furthermore, they added that there was no good evidence supporting the idea that homicide occurs just because guns are readily available, or its corollary, that many homicides would not occur were guns less available.

Since 1978, criminological studies examining the relationship between violent crime and private gun ownership have typically found no significant positive effect of gun ownership on the violent crime rate. Some studies actually find a negative relationship. In other words, areas with high gun ownership experienced less crime than comparable areas with lower firearm ownership. Studies that draw a causal inference from a gun/homicide correlation usually fail to take into account the possible reverse relationship. That is, these studies do not address the possibility that high crime rates may have stimulated higher gun ownership, and not just the reverse.

The national homicide, gun homicide, robbery and gun robbery rates, as well as the percentage of guns involved in aggravated assault, have not significantly increased from what they were in 1974. However, the number of firearms in this country increased 75 percent between 1974-1994, for a total of nearly 236 million guns. While the number of guns steadily increased in this country between 1974-1994, half of that time the homicide and robbery rates were decreasing, the other half they were increasing, resulting in no net change. The proliferation of firearms during this period cannot be held responsible for an increase in the violent crime rate when in fact there has been no such increase. Furthermore, since 1994, the homicide rate has continued to drop, hitting a low in 1996 not seen since 1969.

A simple calculation demonstrates that a very small fraction of the existing guns are actually involved in any crime. The criminologist Gary Kleck estimated the percentage of circulating guns actually involved in a crime for 1993. Let us assume, as he did, that each of the 1,134,102 fatal and nonfatal gun-related incidents in 1993 were committed with a different gun. This is a conservative assumption that undoubtedly overestimates the actual number of guns involved in violent crime. This number, divided by 228,660,966, the number of guns in circulation that year, means that less than 0.5 percent of all guns were used in a crime. Adjusting the calculations to accommodate crimes involving only handguns yields a little over 1 percent of the circulating handguns in 1993 being involved in a crime. Further analysis by Kleck estimates that less than 1 percent of all guns will ever be used in a crime. Approximately 99 percent of all guns are never involved in any crime.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:14 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
Myth 2: The proliferation of gun ownership in this country is responsible for an alarming increase in fatal gun accidents involving children.

In 1995, Robert Walker, a lobbyist for Handgun Control Inc., claimed that 1,400 children are killed as a result of fatal gun accidents each year. But that shocking claim is contradicted by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and the National Safety Council (NSC). According to these agencies, 181 children 0-14 years of age were victims of fatal gun accidents in 1995. Since 1970, the first year data is available from the NSC and the NCHS, fatal gun accidents involving children under fifteen have not even approximated one half the number Walker claimed.

Statistics quoted as representative of gun accidents involving preadolescents (children under fourteen) are often inflated by including adolescent and young adult incidents as well. This is a serious error since adolescents and young adults are the highest risk categories for firearm accidents. Lumping together children and adults seriously distorts the incidents attributed to preadolescent children and infants. After properly separating children from adults, one finds that while the number of guns increased 75 percent between 1974 and 1994, the number of fatal gun accidents involving children ages 0-14 years decreased 65 percent over the same period.

Understandably, fatal gun accidents involving children tend to generate heavy publicity. This disproportionate press coverage often implies that the majority of accidental deaths of children is caused by firearms. In reality however, between 1993-1996, fatal gun accidents accounted for less than 4 percent of all the accidental deaths involving children under fifteen. Furthermore, firearm accidents involving children under age 10 constituted just over 1 percent of accidental children deaths in this age group from 1993-1995.

To read the rest of the myths.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:16 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
lastato
lastatolastatocatania, California USA2 Threads 49 Posts
huhm wonders shall never end dunno dunno dunno
Conrad73: Better turn in that MACHETE of yours!
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Mar 21, 2009 4:18 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Now there is another thing I'd like the Gun-Abolitionists to explain.

The extraordinary amount of Firearms in the hands of Swiss Civilians,and the pretty low number of Crimes committed with Firearms in CH!
rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 21, 2009 4:18 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
bodleing: But as someone mentioned earlier,

we have gangs in the UK.

You have to admit, 250 times greater???
That's really is quite a lot.
I might be wrong, but I could jump to the
conclusion it has something to do with the
availability of guns, perhaps.
I just read that the crimes committed in European countries are having a serious problem with crimes being committed with knives and those deaths are not being included in like the stats you are talking about. Those are just trying to prove a point about gun control so they are leaving out the crimes being committed there by the use of knives.professor To me death by any weapon should be included in the crime stats.professor
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Mar 21, 2009 4:22 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jtlextreme
jtlextremejtlextremeThornton, Colorado USA43 Posts
Conrad73: Now there is another thing I'd like the Gun-Abolitionists to explain.

The extraordinary amount of Firearms in the hands of Swiss Civilians,and the pretty low number of Crimes committed with Firearms in CH!


The problem is these people are not open to facts this is all emotional blather.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:22 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
jessejess47: I would agree with you here but we are changing laws in many states to address this , it takes time , it will not change over night , we as Americans do see our faults and do try to correct the wrongs that are made , we are not always right ,but I for one do do the best I can, but I am not going to give up my firearms to anyone , and I will support the NRA and our way of life


To be fair, the figures I quoted were from 2002,
maybe the situation has improved since then.
Anyway, I'm not anti NRA, I think its part of
your culture, it worries me not.
But I do think it makes America a more dangerous
place. Maybe that just the price you have to pay
for your freedoms.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:25 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
mylifewithu: I just read that the crimes committed in European countries are having a serious problem with crimes being committed with knives and those deaths are not being included in like the stats you are talking about. Those are just trying to prove a point about gun control so they are leaving out the crimes being committed there by the use of knives. To me death by any weapon should be included in the crime stats.



I really truly believe the availability of guns used to commit crimes is from the flooding of the black market....I mean you can buy one on every street corner that can't be traced which is what criminals want...It's not law abiding citizens committing these crimes...and as far as gun accidents...accidents will happen regardless if people are being careless....wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating
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Mar 21, 2009 4:25 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Tamarin: I am sorry I knew exactly what you meant, I did not misread ....I am dyslexic and get B and D mixed up especially when very tired..... I was not bragging...please see there is a difference between the word pacifist and confrontational and I am not confrontational...I am discussing ....if you met me in real life you would see a mild mannered, soft spoken, gentle female...

I have not admitted no control of my son and you put those wordes down not I....

But I do not dictate what a father does with his son when he is visiting him....I am not proud he can use a gun and if you read my post you will see you have misundrstood my words....I simply stated a fact....

I am not telling you are wrong ....I am simply saying I have a different opinion to you repectfully....

I have no double standards sir so that is why I am being polite, honest, truthful and genuine with you in a respectful manner...

I hope you apply that when responding to me also remembering we all have different views and opinions...

I do take upset that you typed I had no control as a parent..


Tamarin:
No this is not accepatable behaviour and no private household should have guns like this...

Your society is a sad one if this is normal behaviour....



dunno confused Respect of different opinions? Hmmmm
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Mar 21, 2009 4:26 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
bodleing: To be fair, the figures I quoted were from 2002,
maybe the situation has improved since then.
Anyway, I'm not anti NRA, I think its part of
your culture, it worries me not.
But I do think it makes America a more dangerous
place. Maybe that just the price you have to pay
for your freedoms.
handshake cheers
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Mar 21, 2009 4:30 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I really truly believe the availability of guns used to commit crimes is from the flooding of the black market....I mean you can buy one on every street corner that can't be traced which is what criminals want...It's not law abiding citizens committing these crimes...and as far as gun accidents...accidents will happen regardless if people are being careless....
Yes and if it wasn't guns it would be another weapon such as knives.

hug wave kiss


A knife attack every 4 minutes; 130,000 per year - but ministers still insist crime rates are falling
By Matthew Hickley
Last updated at 1:53 AM on 18th July 2008


Blade Britain: Knives were used in 14,000 robberies last year
More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

There were also almost 14,000 reported robberies and more than 8,000 woundings.

As the Daily Mail revealed exclusively yesterday, the forces' data, which was gathered for the first time this year, starkly illustrated how knife crime has spread beyond the major cities into the shires.

The British Crime Survey figure of 130,000 knife attacks is substantially higher than the police's figure. This is thought to be because many victims never report being threatened with a knife - and even assaults needing hospital treatment go unrecorded.

The phenomenon of 'hidden' knife crime has led senior doctors to call for new rules making it compulsory for hospitals to record knife injuries.

The British Crime Survey, based on interviews with thousands of households across the UK, showed overall crime down 10 per cent to 10.1million offences.

Police figures, which typically capture only around half of all crime, showed a similar trend.

Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve pointed out that the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power. The BCS trends were more positive.

There is much more on this:
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Mar 21, 2009 4:30 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
jtlextreme
jtlextremejtlextremeThornton, Colorado USA43 Posts
bodleing: To be fair, the figures I quoted were from 2002,
maybe the situation has improved since then.
Anyway, I'm not anti NRA, I think its part of
your culture, it worries me not.
But I do think it makes America a more dangerous
place. Maybe that just the price you have to pay
for your freedoms.


just a little history for you as well the NRA supplied firearms to many European countries during World War two. Perhaps a letter of gratitude should be in order instead of your opinions on how we run our country.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:33 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
jtlextreme: just a little history for you as well the NRA supplied firearms to many European countries during World War two. Perhaps a letter of gratitude should be in order instead of your opinions on how we run our country.


Where did I give an opinion on how

you should run your country?




dunno
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