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Mar 21, 2009 4:33 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
mylifewithu: Yes and if it wasn't guns it would be another weapon such as knives.

A knife attack every 4 minutes; 130,000 per year - but ministers still insist crime rates are falling
By Matthew Hickley
Last updated at 1:53 AM on 18th July 2008

Blade Britain: Knives were used in 14,000 robberies last year
More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

There were also almost 14,000 reported robberies and more than 8,000 woundings.

As the Daily Mail revealed exclusively yesterday, the forces' data, which was gathered for the first time this year, starkly illustrated how knife crime has spread beyond the major cities into the shires.

The British Crime Survey figure of 130,000 knife attacks is substantially higher than the police's figure. This is thought to be because many victims never report being threatened with a knife - and even assaults needing hospital treatment go unrecorded.

The phenomenon of 'hidden' knife crime has led senior doctors to call for new rules making it compulsory for hospitals to record knife injuries.

The British Crime Survey, based on interviews with thousands of households across the UK, showed overall crime down 10 per cent to 10.1million offences.

Police figures, which typically capture only around half of all crime, showed a similar trend.

Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve pointed out that the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power. The BCS trends were more positive.

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I agree with that...because violent criminals are not going to stop being violent with the absence of guns...that is their weapon of choice right now...remove it and they will only find another way...violence resonates with the person...weapons don't make people violent....they are only a tool used to carry out their violence....wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating
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Mar 21, 2009 4:36 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I agree with that...because violent criminals are not going to stop being violent with the absence of guns...that is their weapon of choice right now...remove it and they will only find another way...violence resonates with the person...weapons don't make people violent....they are only a tool used to carry out their violence....



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Mar 21, 2009 4:37 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I agree with that...because violent criminals are not going to stop being violent with the absence of guns...that is their weapon of choice right now...remove it and they will only find another way...violence resonates with the person...weapons don't make people violent....they are only a tool used to carry out their violence....
I totally agree.thumbs up hug wave
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Mar 21, 2009 4:40 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
goodguy01
goodguy01goodguy01Corona, California USA5 Posts
Take away knives criminals will use bombs, take away bombs they will use chemicals, and look at the Oklahoma city bombing should we ban fertilizer and rental trucks!??? on any given day any kindergartener could easily stab to death another student with their still legal No2 pencil!
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Mar 21, 2009 4:40 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
mylifewithu: Yes and if it wasn't guns it would be another weapon such as knives.

A knife attack every 4 minutes; 130,000 per year - but ministers still insist crime rates are falling
By Matthew Hickley
Last updated at 1:53 AM on 18th July 2008

Blade Britain: Knives were used in 14,000 robberies last year
More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

There were also almost 14,000 reported robberies and more than 8,000 woundings.

As the Daily Mail revealed exclusively yesterday, the forces' data, which was gathered for the first time this year, starkly illustrated how knife crime has spread beyond the major cities into the shires.

The British Crime Survey figure of 130,000 knife attacks is substantially higher than the police's figure. This is thought to be because many victims never report being threatened with a knife - and even assaults needing hospital treatment go unrecorded.

The phenomenon of 'hidden' knife crime has led senior doctors to call for new rules making it compulsory for hospitals to record knife injuries.

The British Crime Survey, based on interviews with thousands of households across the UK, showed overall crime down 10 per cent to 10.1million offences.

Police figures, which typically capture only around half of all crime, showed a similar trend.

Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve pointed out that the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power. The BCS trends were more positive.

There is much more on this:


Good work sweetythumbs up
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Mar 21, 2009 4:44 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Crystal29
Crystal29Crystal29Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK35 Threads 8,448 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: I agree with that...because violent criminals are not going to stop being violent with the absence of guns...that is their weapon of choice right now...remove it and they will only find another way...violence resonates with the person...weapons don't make people violent....they are only a tool used to carry out their violence....


How right you are....we now have a knife culture here in Scotland...and they are used with equally devastating results....blues Our First Minister Jack McConnell has now put plans in place to jail offenders for a maximum of four years just for being found to be in possession of one if stopped and searched by the Police.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:44 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
StressFree: Good work sweety
Thankyou wine hug wave applause
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Mar 21, 2009 4:45 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Tamarin
TamarinTamarinsomewhere, Lothian, Scotland UK173 Threads 1 Polls 3,267 Posts
StressFree: Sometimes it's better to just not respond, but to reflect a bit.

I'm just trying to help Tam...you sleep in the bed you make. I know you have good intentions, but your choice of words needs a facelift at times. You are a slippery one at times...


Thanks T ...I think the words we use are more blunt because we are straight to the point Britslaugh

Thanks for the tips.....T you know I am not slippy..you have spoken to me and I am sure you can assure the good gents on here my voice and manner go with my looks....

Chemo Monday coming.....so well that says it all....

Off course I did not repond to the abusive mails I ain't that daftlaugh

But I did respond to posts addressed to me in this threaddunno

Thanks T.....
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Mar 21, 2009 4:47 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Crystal29: How right you are....we now have a knife culture here in Scotland...and they are used with equally devastating results.... Our First Minister Jack McConnell has now put plans in place to jail offenders for a maximum of four years just for being found to be in possession of one if stopped and searched by the Police.



Yes...see the weapon of choice just changes...the violence doesn't stop....wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating
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Mar 21, 2009 4:47 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
mylifewithu: Yes and if it wasn't guns it would be another weapon such as knives.

A knife attack every 4 minutes; 130,000 per year - but ministers still insist crime rates are falling
By Matthew Hickley
Last updated at 1:53 AM on 18th July 2008

Blade Britain: Knives were used in 14,000 robberies last year
More than 350 people are the victim of knife assaults every day in England and Wales, the latest crime figures have revealed.

Last night a teenager in Lambeth, London, became the latest victim of the stabbing epidemic, dying in hospital after a frenzied attack.

Almost 130,000 attacks involved knives last year - equivalent to one every four minutes - according to the annual British Crime Survey.

This figure does not include the tens of thousands of assaults against under-16s. However, unlike the police records published yesterday, it does include crimes which are not reported to the authorities.

The police data revealed 22,000 serious knife assaults - including 231 attempted murders - were reported to the police last year.

There were also almost 14,000 reported robberies and more than 8,000 woundings.

As the Daily Mail revealed exclusively yesterday, the forces' data, which was gathered for the first time this year, starkly illustrated how knife crime has spread beyond the major cities into the shires.

The British Crime Survey figure of 130,000 knife attacks is substantially higher than the police's figure. This is thought to be because many victims never report being threatened with a knife - and even assaults needing hospital treatment go unrecorded.

The phenomenon of 'hidden' knife crime has led senior doctors to call for new rules making it compulsory for hospitals to record knife injuries.

The British Crime Survey, based on interviews with thousands of households across the UK, showed overall crime down 10 per cent to 10.1million offences.

Police figures, which typically capture only around half of all crime, showed a similar trend.

Shadow Home Secretary Dominic Grieve pointed out that the police figures showed violent crime up nearly 80 per cent since Labour came to power. The BCS trends were more positive.

There is much more on this:



That kind of backs up my belief.

More knives = more stabbings

More guns = more shootings

Just that more often than not, guns do more
damage than knives.
I think the fatality figures suggest that.
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Mar 21, 2009 4:47 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Tamarin:

Chemo Monday coming.....so well that says it all....



Oh, I had no idea. Sorry to hear that Tam. Best wishes and I hope for the best for youbouquet teddybear
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Mar 21, 2009 4:50 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Crystal29
Crystal29Crystal29Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK35 Threads 8,448 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yes...see the weapon of choice just changes...the violence doesn't stop....


Yeah angry and aggresive young men will always find a way...

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Mar 21, 2009 4:50 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
bodleing: That kind of backs up my belief.

More knives = more stabbings

More guns = more shootings

Just that more often than not, guns do more
damage than knives.
I think the fatality figures suggest that.



More people = more murder

Less people = more murder

no people = perfect world

zee
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Mar 21, 2009 4:59 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Crystal29: Yeah angry and aggresive young men will always find a way...



Yep and so violent criminals...you take away knives and it will be something else...wave wink hug kiss hug heart beating


They don't all of a sudden stop becoming violent because their weapon of choice is gone...thumbs up
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Mar 21, 2009 5:05 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
pretzelman
pretzelmanpretzelmanLas Vegas, Nevada USA43 Threads 1 Polls 2,956 Posts
GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing


it is better for you to control your gun....than have someone else's gun control youprofessor
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Mar 21, 2009 5:34 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
When the last H-bomb has done it's stuff
And stilled for good the giegercounter's voice
When there's nothing left but just a few of us,
Then will come the moment of my dreadful choice:

Invent the peaceful wheel? Oh dear me, no!
Let those who would assauge the general woe.
I plan to freeze my neighbors to the bone and marrow
By re-inventing the bow and arrow.

(Author unkown, but obviously intelligent.)
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Mar 21, 2009 5:35 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Hugz_n_Kissez: Yep and so violent criminals...you take away knives and it will be something else... They don't all of a sudden stop becoming violent because their weapon of choice is gone...
Rocks,Bottles and Conch-Shells!grin mumbling
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Mar 21, 2009 5:37 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
Conrad73: Rocks,Bottles and Conch-Shells!


im a fan of the big thorn dipped in the back of a certain toad
and then blown projectile like through a large rolled leaf

but im old fashioned like that

rolling on the floor laughing

hello my friendwave
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Mar 21, 2009 5:40 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
bodleing: I agree Hugz, I mentioned that earlier.
I just think its a matter of more guns = more shootings


And I happen to think it's a matter of more responsible gun education + more personal discipline = less shootings.

Hope you're well, Graham!

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Mar 21, 2009 5:41 PM CST GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing
Crystal29
Crystal29Crystal29Glasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK35 Threads 8,448 Posts
I am still glad we dont allow just anyone to own guns in this country....I work at Glasgow Airport and Im sure you all remember the dreadful attack on us last summer....since then our airport Police have been armed with submachine guns...at first it made my blood run cold to see this.....now I am used to seeing it......and I suppose it makes me feel safer.....a sad sign of the times ...... blues
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