GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
vinny1967: <--------------Vinny..............
Nah generally I would be against Guns as I do think the more there are the more people get killed........
In Ireland it is illegal........but I do respect another countries Laws and would not get involved in respect of that.
I think this is best left to the Yanks.........
as they say in Aussie......No worries Mate....Nah generally I would be against Guns as I do think the more there are the more people get killed........
In Ireland it is illegal........but I do respect another countries Laws and would not get involved in respect of that.
I think this is best left to the Yanks.........
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azdesperado72: Honestly Snuggs, when I have my gun on my hip I don't feel empowerment. I feel responsibility. There is not a moment when I see, hold or carry my sidearm that I am not completely aware of what it is capable of and not only the consequences to a person that forces me to use but also to anyone that could also be hit.
If I were to bring up some of the statistics of the law enforcement shootings that have occurred from the various agencies in this area regarding rounds fired and those that hit the target, it puts an greater weight on anyone carrying a weapon and the responsibility that they have to the community where any incident may occur.
If I were to bring up some of the statistics of the law enforcement shootings that have occurred from the various agencies in this area regarding rounds fired and those that hit the target, it puts an greater weight on anyone carrying a weapon and the responsibility that they have to the community where any incident may occur.
I'm not pushing your buttons ... but you said you believe that every citizen should go through law enforcement training and carry a firearm.
My question is.... if EVERY person over the age of 10 in New York City carried a firearm do you think the City would be safer???
Would I turn the news on at night and see maybe only one murder instead of six? Or if everyone carried a firearm would that eliminate crime completely?
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Right belong to the Individual,NOT Government!
Rights are not the Government's to give!
Government is only the Guarantor,NOT the Originator of Man's Rights!
Rights are not the Government's to give!
Government is only the Guarantor,NOT the Originator of Man's Rights!
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Snuggs09: Of course you think it's a RIGHT. This comes from a man who is holding a gun in his photo
It is a RIGHT,it states so in the Constitution!
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Conrad73: Right belong to the Individual,NOT Government!
Rights are not the Government's to give!
Government is only the Guarantor,NOT the Originator of Man's Rights!
Rights are not the Government's to give!
Government is only the Guarantor,NOT the Originator of Man's Rights!
Conrad, you are always in a Gun controled threads. What's up,Swiss?
Kidding ..... and leaving
Great end of day your way Enjoy sunset in a Mountains
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Konigsberg: Conrad, you are always in a Gun controled threads. What's up,Swiss? Kidding ..... and leaving
Great end of day your way Enjoy sunset in a Mountains
I own Firearms,and I intend to keep them.Great end of day your way Enjoy sunset in a Mountains
The end of the Second Amendment in the US,would mean the End of an 800year Tradition of Rights To Arms here in CH,and Vice Versa!
Always enjoy those Sunsets!
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Conrad73: I own Firearms,and I intend to keep them.
The end of the Second Amendment in the US,would mean the End of an 800year Tradition of Rights To Arms here in CH,and Vice Versa!
Always enjoy those Sunsets!
The end of the Second Amendment in the US,would mean the End of an 800year Tradition of Rights To Arms here in CH,and Vice Versa!
Always enjoy those Sunsets!
and what about sunrises?
I see, Swiss, I se:e Guns, cars and motorcycles they are babies of ours.
Sometimes to the point ... them, toys first ... than a woman or a men, whoever
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Snuggs09: Of course you think it's a RIGHT. This comes from a man who is holding a gun in his photo
Yes I am a HUNTER and HUNTER safty instructor. I have been hunting since the age of 12 and have great respect for firearms. I was also military police and Tx peaceofficer k-9. I have read the gun laws and I have seen the courts let scumbags back on the streets. I have also seen citzens protect themselves from crime.
Yes... I have been the Dog that keeps the Wolves from the Sheep.
My guns can protect me and I eat what I hunt. I will defend my country, my family and this is my right. What is wrong with that Law Abiding gun owner that is me.
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Conrad73: I own Firearms,and I intend to keep them.
The end of the Second Amendment in the US,would mean the End of an 800year Tradition of Rights To Arms here in CH,and Vice Versa!
Always enjoy those Sunsets!
The end of the Second Amendment in the US,would mean the End of an 800year Tradition of Rights To Arms here in CH,and Vice Versa!
Always enjoy those Sunsets!
I didn't say it should end. I said I THINK it should be revised to fit today's world.
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Snuggs09: I've heard that over and over. It's true...people kill people.
If you give people an opportunity, they will take it. What IF people as a collective community don't have the gun to kill.
If I shouldn't eat chocolate but you give me a candy bar, I'm most likely going to eat it. Should I practice self-control or is it better that I don't have something that will cause harm, thus taking away the opportunity to eat it. If you don't have a gun, you can't kill!!!
If you give people an opportunity, they will take it. What IF people as a collective community don't have the gun to kill.
If I shouldn't eat chocolate but you give me a candy bar, I'm most likely going to eat it. Should I practice self-control or is it better that I don't have something that will cause harm, thus taking away the opportunity to eat it. If you don't have a gun, you can't kill!!!
That is a real intelligent statement Quote[if u dont have a gun u cant kill!!!] That leaves knives, baseballbats,poison, autos, fists,clubs,screwdrivers,matches. acid, sash chords. etc. . So what do we ban next?????------ This thread is Archived ------
Gun control is not a good thing. It is not just about personal protection, although that is part of it.
It is also about the people having the right to protect themselves against a future government that would seek to control them.
It is a check and balance just as the forefathers wrote checks and balances into our founding documents for the president, the congress, and the judiciary, the wright to bear arms also keeps the government in check.
With the millions of guns that are are in the hands of our home owners, any government, whether or our own or a foreign government would have to deal with our citizens.
If our government leaders sought to overthrow our representative democracy and become a dictatorship, I would be one of the first to rise up with my arsenal as would many millions of others.
If a foreign government sought to invade, they would not just deal with our military, but would deal with our citizenry.
It is also about the people having the right to protect themselves against a future government that would seek to control them.
It is a check and balance just as the forefathers wrote checks and balances into our founding documents for the president, the congress, and the judiciary, the wright to bear arms also keeps the government in check.
With the millions of guns that are are in the hands of our home owners, any government, whether or our own or a foreign government would have to deal with our citizens.
If our government leaders sought to overthrow our representative democracy and become a dictatorship, I would be one of the first to rise up with my arsenal as would many millions of others.
If a foreign government sought to invade, they would not just deal with our military, but would deal with our citizenry.
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gooddogman: Yes I am a HUNTER and HUNTER safty instructor. I have been hunting since the age of 12 and have great respect for firearms. I was also military police and Tx peaceofficer k-9. I have read the gun laws and I have seen the courts let scumbags back on the streets. I have also seen citzens protect themselves from crime.
Yes... I have been the Dog that keeps the Wolves from the Sheep.
My guns can protect me and I eat what I hunt. I will defend my country, my family and this is my right. What is wrong with that Law Abiding gun owner that is me.
Yes... I have been the Dog that keeps the Wolves from the Sheep.
My guns can protect me and I eat what I hunt. I will defend my country, my family and this is my right. What is wrong with that Law Abiding gun owner that is me.
Rhe good thing about this is that we can discuss it and agree to disagree like adults without bashing each other. I think we've all had polite responses. We've all practiced the First Amendment which gives us the right to say what we want about the Second Amendment. Good job my fellow citizens.
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Snuggs09: The Constitution of the United States was adopted in 1787. Our forefathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution to empower homesteaders the right to protect their family from anyone who would cause them harm. The western part of the United States was wild and still being developed. Indians or even other landowners would try to run you off your property. In 1787 there weren’t local police departments, the FBI or any type of law enforcement agency. A family had to have a gun to protect themselves.
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
Snuggs, the guns used in crimes aren't bought legally by the criminals. In areas where gun ownership by citizens is high, crime is lower...in areas where it's low, crime is higher. Washington, DC just overturned laws prohibiting gun ownership within the city, and the sale of firearms there, and has finally lowered its crime rate after a very long period of having the highest one in the nation.
A man named John Lott was anti-gun and did studies to prove that gun ownership made for higher crime rates. What he found was the opposite, and he now lobbies for gun rights and wrote a book called "More Guns, Less Crime" with all of his statistical studies and findings in it.
The best way to prevent armed crimes is to enforce the laws we have, and to make it easier...not harder...for the law-abiding citizen to arm themselves. The criminals themselves will tell you that they fear the armed citizen more than they fear the police because the armed citizen doesn't have to give warning before shooting like the police do.
You want to raise armed crime? Do what you suggest and restrict further the ability of the law-abidiing citizen to protect themselves against the criminal. It's been proven to be very effective in countries like Australia and England for doing that. Research the statistics.
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gooddogman: Yes I am a HUNTER and HUNTER safty instructor. I have been hunting since the age of 12 and have great respect for firearms. I was also military police and Tx peaceofficer k-9. I have read the gun laws and I have seen the courts let scumbags back on the streets. I have also seen citzens protect themselves from crime.
Yes... I have been the Dog that keeps the Wolves from the Sheep.
My guns can protect me and I eat what I hunt. I will defend my country, my family and this is my right. What is wrong with that Law Abiding gun owner that is me.
Yes... I have been the Dog that keeps the Wolves from the Sheep.
My guns can protect me and I eat what I hunt. I will defend my country, my family and this is my right. What is wrong with that Law Abiding gun owner that is me.
Nothing is wrong with you as a guns owner. Because you are know what you are doing and how to use it.
But what about people with fried brain from using drugs or someone with not stable mental condition. I don't what to be at the wrong time and the wrong place to get shot by a moron who think that i am a squirel crossing a street.
There is a lot on a plate that has to be considered
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The_Kansan: Rather than repeal or amend the 2nd Amendment, wouldn't it just make more sense to enforce the myriad of gun control laws that are already in existence?
There's more that I could add regarding the 2nd Amendment, but I'm afraid that it might be construed as an attack against your 1st Amendment rights. Suffice it to say that it's my belief that one of the reasons we still have a 1st Amendment is precisely because of the 2nd Amendment...
There's more that I could add regarding the 2nd Amendment, but I'm afraid that it might be construed as an attack against your 1st Amendment rights. Suffice it to say that it's my belief that one of the reasons we still have a 1st Amendment is precisely because of the 2nd Amendment...
Absolutely...lose the 2nd Amendment and we can kiss all of the others good-bye. Our forefathers knew what they were doing when they gave us that right.
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DazzleYou: Gun control is not a good thing. It is not just about personal protection, although that is part of it.
It is also about the people having the right to protect themselves against a future government that would seek to control them.
It is a check and balance just as the forefathers wrote checks and balances into our founding documents for the president, the congress, and the judiciary, the wright to bear arms also keeps the government in check.
With the millions of guns that are are in the hands of our home owners, any government, whether or our own or a foreign government would have to deal with our citizens.
If our government leaders sought to overthrow our representative democracy and become a dictatorship, I would be one of the first to rise up with my arsenal as would many millions of others.
If a foreign government sought to invade, they would not just deal with our military, but would deal with our citizenry.
It is also about the people having the right to protect themselves against a future government that would seek to control them.
It is a check and balance just as the forefathers wrote checks and balances into our founding documents for the president, the congress, and the judiciary, the wright to bear arms also keeps the government in check.
With the millions of guns that are are in the hands of our home owners, any government, whether or our own or a foreign government would have to deal with our citizens.
If our government leaders sought to overthrow our representative democracy and become a dictatorship, I would be one of the first to rise up with my arsenal as would many millions of others.
If a foreign government sought to invade, they would not just deal with our military, but would deal with our citizenry.
You might be educating me. I didn't know that if our current government gets out of control those of you have personal firearms can all get in a truck, go to Washington and show them whose boss? Hmmmmm
Foreigners DID invade our country on Sept. 11th. Our military fought the battle...not our private citizens.... although I dare say that there were a lot of men who wanted to go to Afganistan.
Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying but it seems to me you mean ... if the military can't handle it...the citizens will
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Snuggs09: Rhe good thing about this is that we can discuss it and agree to disagree like adults without bashing each other. I think we've all had polite responses. We've all practiced the First Amendment which gives us the right to say what we want about the Second Amendment. Good job my fellow citizens.
The attack now is on the 1st amendment...sorry to say but the attacks come from within our own goverment.....
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Snuggs09: Couldn't disagree with you more.
When you think you are being safe because you carry a gun, you are encouraging someone to prove that you aren't as safe as you think you are.
To carry a gun just for the heck of it is nonsense.
Would you shoot someone if they attacked you? If not, then why carry a gun?
I understand why you think "everyone" should carry a gun....you are from Arizona....the western part of the country. It is a way of life in the west to carry a gun and drive a pickup truck.
When you think you are being safe because you carry a gun, you are encouraging someone to prove that you aren't as safe as you think you are.
To carry a gun just for the heck of it is nonsense.
Would you shoot someone if they attacked you? If not, then why carry a gun?
I understand why you think "everyone" should carry a gun....you are from Arizona....the western part of the country. It is a way of life in the west to carry a gun and drive a pickup truck.
Btw, I carry, and yes I would shoot someone if they attacked me. I agree with you on the part that anyone who wouldn't, shouldn't carry or own one because then it can (and most likely will) be used against them.
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Konigsberg: Nothing is wrong with you as a guns owner. Because you are know what you are doing and how to use it. But what about people with fried brain from using drugs or someone with not stable mental condition. I don't what to be at the wrong time and the wrong place to get shot by a moron who think that i am a squirel crossing a street.
There is a lot on a plate that has to be considered
There is a lot on a plate that has to be considered
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Nah generally I would be against Guns as I do think the more there are the more people get killed........
In Ireland it is illegal........but I do respect another countries Laws and would not get involved in respect of that.
I think this is best left to the Yanks.........