GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
lanabyte: Her original question was how do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but it ended up turning into a gun banning thread.
Sorry, Snuggs.
Sorry, Snuggs.
I dunno...from the first post, all I saw was a gross misrepresentation of the second A and it just kinda started from there, lol...
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lanabyte: That would be my preference. As a matter of fact, if the US government could guarantee (and actually follow through) that they could significantly reduce the amount of guns accessible to criminals by at least 85%, I would seriously consider agreeing with a gun ban. But I don't trust my government or any hot air that comes out of their mouths, and I sure as heck don't trust them to protect me.
exactly....and i'm not sure of the facts but, i heard when australia turned in their guns, the crime rate went up dramatically....."guns don't kill people....it's those little bullets, that go real fast"
...a comedian once said that...but, i hear congress is looking into the prospect of making it harder to get bullets....AGAIN
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littlewolf: Mow u know one part of whats wrong in America.I own a gun that stays in my house,I have a permit,I live alone and feel much safer wih it under the pillow next to me.I wouldnt want to kill anyone but I would make someone think twice before robbing me.I to would say some of the games for kids I have seen teach a child how to aim shoot and kill,they also make the child mind conditioned to be hard to seperate reality from fanasty.
The thought from others has been, if the criminal knows you have a gun, it will deter them from robbing you. How does the robber know you have a gun under your pillow?
Do you lock up the gun when people come to your house?
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Snuggs09: Each day we hear about drugs seized at the airport. Where there are drugs, there are guns. Drug dealers carry guns to kill anyone that gets in their way. They are defending themselves against law enforcement to enable them to get the drugs on the street.
Are any of the posters saying that the 2nd Amendment gives them the RIGHT to do this?
Rights are NOT given,they are OWNED by the Individual whether you want to acknowledge the Fact or not.Are any of the posters saying that the 2nd Amendment gives them the RIGHT to do this?
Government doesn't GIVE Rights,Governments are there to protect them.
You're reasoning from a Fallacious Assumption!
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Snuggs09:
If someone lives in a high crime area such as South Central, California where there are gangs,
If someone lives in a high crime area such as South Central, California where there are gangs,
This is the second time you have used a high-crime example, where the gun laws are the toughest!
To me, that is proof that gun laws do not keep guns from the criminal hand....as CA has the toughest gun laws in the book.
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jlw45: exactly....and i'm not sure of the facts but, i heard when australia turned in their guns, the crime rate went up dramatically.....
"guns don't kill people....it's those little bullets, that go real fast" ...a comedian once said that...but, i hear congress is looking into the prospect of making it harder to get bullets....AGAIN
"guns don't kill people....it's those little bullets, that go real fast" ...a comedian once said that...but, i hear congress is looking into the prospect of making it harder to get bullets....AGAIN
And I think that's what I asked in my original post.
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Snuggs09: And I think that's what I asked in my original post.
sorry...i did'nt really read the OP...i just kinda' fell in the middle
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newlife09: Ok, so what are you saying?
This is becoming redundant. We don't agree but that's okay.
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newlife09: The kids obtained the firearms used in that shooting illegally. They had both committed numerous felonies before the first shot was fired.
Okay, then, my bad. It was a rhetorical example off the top of my head. Let me revise that with another example that I have researched. The snipers that went on a terror here a few years ago shooting people in Virginia. They legally purchased their weapons from a gun-shop in Washington State.
Again, the gun has no intent of its own. Yes, they are made to kill, I don't deny that. But again, there are times when killing can be not only justified, but mandatory.
Bears and cougars are not subject to negotiation. They are wild animals driven by instinct. I'll not lose my life and be someone's dinner because a bunch of peacenik fanatics have never experienced a truly dangerous environment, and require me to live in their naive fantasy rather than in the wilderness that truly is back-country Oregon.
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Snuggs09: The thought from others has been, if the criminal knows you have a gun, it will deter them from robbing you. How does the robber know you have a gun under your pillow?
Do you lock up the gun when people come to your house?
It's not that they know you have a gun, it's that they know there's a 50/50 chance you MAY have a gun.Do you lock up the gun when people come to your house?
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Galactic_bodhi: Okay, then, my bad. It was a rhetorical example off the top of my head. Let me revise that with another example that I have researched. The snipers that went on a terror here a few years ago shooting people in Virginia. They legally purchased their weapons from a gun-shop in Washington State.
Again, the gun has no intent of its own. Yes, they are made to kill, I don't deny that. But again, there are times when killing can be not only justified, but mandatory.
Bears and cougars are not subject to negotiation. They are wild animals driven by instinct. I'll not lose my life and be someone's dinner because a bunch of peacenik fanatics have never experienced a truly dangerous environment, and require me to live in their naive fantasy rather than in the wilderness that truly is back-country Oregon.
government can fall subject to none negotiation as well....and can become a danger to the environment too...Again, the gun has no intent of its own. Yes, they are made to kill, I don't deny that. But again, there are times when killing can be not only justified, but mandatory.
Bears and cougars are not subject to negotiation. They are wild animals driven by instinct. I'll not lose my life and be someone's dinner because a bunch of peacenik fanatics have never experienced a truly dangerous environment, and require me to live in their naive fantasy rather than in the wilderness that truly is back-country Oregon.
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Tamarin: No not gullible sir just have seen some off the world and can see the answer to violence is not with more violence...
Have you seen missing limbs, smelt burnt flesh, seen a dead body and had that knock at the door....
Violence and the use of guns is not the solution....
The sooner the USA has a peace loving, mature, sensible female president the better....
Guns only have one use to kill and harm....
Well if ur an example of peace,then I think Ill pass.And to answer ur quote about Americans travling the world,We are to busy financing other countries with everything,we dont have the money to travel abroad.What ??? u think ur exclusive to be the observer of death and destruction.We have men and women dying everyday to keep peace.have u been in the service? if not being an military brat doent even come close to being a soldier.Any more than travling the world makes u smart.Have you seen missing limbs, smelt burnt flesh, seen a dead body and had that knock at the door....
Violence and the use of guns is not the solution....
The sooner the USA has a peace loving, mature, sensible female president the better....
Guns only have one use to kill and harm....
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jlw45: government can fall subject to none negotiation as well....and can become a danger to the environment too...
I agree as the older ones will remember the protests at Kent State over the "confict" in Veit Nam
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jessejess47: I agree as the older ones will remember the protests at Kent State over the "confict" in Veit Nam
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Conrad73: Rights are NOT given,they are OWNED by the Individual whether you want to acknowledge the Fact or not.
Government doesn't GIVE Rights,Governments are there to protect them.
You're reasoning from a Fallacious Assumption!
Government doesn't GIVE Rights,Governments are there to protect them.
You're reasoning from a Fallacious Assumption!
Wait a minute.....One of you guys said the 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from the government. Therefore, the government gave the people the RIGHTS.
Now you are saying the government doesn't give RIGHTS.
Which is it
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Snuggs09: Wait a minute.....One of you guys said the 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from the government. Therefore, the government gave the people the RIGHTS.
Now you are saying the government doesn't give RIGHTS.
Which is it
You're leading yourself more and more down the Gardenpath!Now you are saying the government doesn't give RIGHTS.
Which is it
TO PROTECT THE PEOPLES INHERENT RIGHTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Snuggs09: The thought from others has been, if the criminal knows you have a gun, it will deter them from robbing you. How does the robber know you have a gun under your pillow?
Do you lock up the gun when people come to your house?
I certainly do,I have g-kids.It doesnt matter whether the crook knows I have a gun, if hes confronted with it,he will most likely leave,if not he gets shot.Do you lock up the gun when people come to your house?
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gooddogman: In the military they call a GUN a PEACE why???If it is only used to kill.....
In the military they call a gun a PIECE...
Two different words with different meanings
Good try but not quite good enough...
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My gun has saved my life on 2 occasions. I have no doubt if I had not presented my firearm to my attacker that I would be dead to this day.
Criminals will get their hands on guns because they do not care about obeying the law.
If you get rid of all guns, criminals will kill you with a knife. Get rid of knives and none of us will be able to eat steak.
The gun control mindset doesn't make any sense to me.
Criminals will get their hands on guns because they do not care about obeying the law.
If you get rid of all guns, criminals will kill you with a knife. Get rid of knives and none of us will be able to eat steak.
The gun control mindset doesn't make any sense to me.
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It's not ridiculous, merely fallacious. Armies carry guns to kill anyone that gets in their way too, but they are legally sanctioned to do so. These people, in theory, have the right to bear arms. Legal arms. These guns she speaks of have never, ever seen a waiting period or a background check. So the apples are not oranges. Nice straw-man, but I'm not falling for it.