GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
If a person try to hurt my family and I had to watch them and could do nothing. I would carry the thought for the rest of my life. Don't think it can't happen to you,it can. Home invasion is on the raise it is in the news every day.
I will teach gun safety, hunter safety. To people as part of the solution and I am not part of the problem of crime. I will do all that I can to get guns out of the hands of SCUM who would do you harm and they wouldn't be back on the streets the next day. Commit a crime and you go to jail use a firearm and tack on 15 yrs. I hope you will always have food for your table and safety for your family. A dog that keeps the wolves from the sheep
I will teach gun safety, hunter safety. To people as part of the solution and I am not part of the problem of crime. I will do all that I can to get guns out of the hands of SCUM who would do you harm and they wouldn't be back on the streets the next day. Commit a crime and you go to jail use a firearm and tack on 15 yrs. I hope you will always have food for your table and safety for your family. A dog that keeps the wolves from the sheep
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Snuggs09: That's right. Be insulting.
You prefer to show how powerful you are with a gun in your hand.
My idea of power comes with using my brain to find a better way for the problem. I may not understand the 2nd Amendment completely, but I listened to your opinion without being condescending and arrogant.
If we take up a gun everytime someone ticks us off, we'll all be dead.
You make Arguments that are not within the Scope of this discussion.You prefer to show how powerful you are with a gun in your hand.
My idea of power comes with using my brain to find a better way for the problem. I may not understand the 2nd Amendment completely, but I listened to your opinion without being condescending and arrogant.
If we take up a gun everytime someone ticks us off, we'll all be dead.
True Lawyer-talk!
No one said that the Second Amenment entitles you to Shoot someone if they tick you off.
It is an extension to the Bill Of Rights
The Right To Life Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
There is no Right to Life,if you deny me the Means to defend it!!!
Think about that,next time you make Kneejerk-Statements about that Second Amendment!
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Hugz_n_Kissez: In order to vote and have the same rights as a U.S. citizen...You have to be a U.S. citizen....which means if coming from another country an application for citizenship....a green card does not make you a citizen nor confer upon you the same rights that U.S. citizens have..it only gives you the right to live and work in the country....
Okay hugs if you marry a Brit and are a US citizen then you go through the correct procedures you are auto a UK citizen with it's rights but you are saying this lady was not????
The child now an adult I know for a fact holds a US passport and citizenship but was deported but the good old USA where happy for him to join their military and send to Iraq....
Hypocrisy and double standards in my book.....
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Tamarin: Sorry but I had to answer this post of yours when you talk about rights in the USA and how thet are always up held.....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
Hi Tam! Didn't say rights are always upheld. What I said was that the basis of the United States from its inception was that the rights of the individual was paramont! More and more and more those rights are being impinged upon. Your example above is point of fact. Instead of being accepted at face value, now its "how do we interpret this to get the result that WE want." As long as I don't infringe on another persons right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" I should be able to persue anything I would like. I expect the same in kind and would argue against ANYTHING that attempts to limit my options!------ This thread is Archived ------
She could not have been a citizen if she was deported...they don't deport people with citizenship...they are then considered citizens of that country and no marrying someone gives you the right to live in the country...not the right of citizenship unless you make actual application for it...many people live in countries with their spouses but don't hold citizenship....
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Conrad73: You make Arguments that are not within the Scope of this discussion.
True Lawyer-talk!
No one said that the Second Amenment entitles you to Shoot someone if they tick you off.
It is an extension to the Bill Of Rights
The Right To Life Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
There is no Right to Life,if you deny me the Means to defend it!!!
Think about that,next time you make Kneejerk-Statements about that Second Amendment!
I was Shot by a Punk in a former British Colony 12 years ago.I have never quite physically recovered from that Injury.True Lawyer-talk!
No one said that the Second Amenment entitles you to Shoot someone if they tick you off.
It is an extension to the Bill Of Rights
The Right To Life Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
There is no Right to Life,if you deny me the Means to defend it!!!
Think about that,next time you make Kneejerk-Statements about that Second Amendment!
The Place has Strict Guncontrol,so strict that I was denied the means of Selfdefense,while the Criminal didn't give a Flying Huck about,that he was breaking the Law by owning ,carrying and feloniously using a Firearm!
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woody636: Hi Tam! Didn't say rights are always upheld. What I said was that the basis of the United States from its inception was that the rights of the individual was paramont! More and more and more those rights are being impinged upon. Your example above is point of fact. Instead of being accepted at face value, now its "how do we interpret this to get the result that WE want." As long as I don't infringe on another persons right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" I should be able to persue anything I would like. I expect the same in kind and would argue against ANYTHING that attempts to limit my options!
Yours is the most sensible post here and I think each off our own individual opinions on here can get a little heated....
But America has to stop trying to police the world and force it opinions and ideas on the rest of the world...
It needs to stop being NO:1 and say we are your brothers, sisters ....a world working together....
Gun running in the USA provides a great deal of the worlds illegal arms so the laws need changed...
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Hugz_n_Kissez: She could not have been a citizen if she was deported...they don't deport people with citizenship...they are then considered citizens of that country and no marrying someone gives you the right to live in the country...not the right of citizenship unless you make actual application for it...many people live in countries with their spouses but don't hold citizenship....
Here are the ways to achieve citizenship in the U.S.:
Bases for Citizenship: Birth, Blood, or Naturalization:
The U.S. recognizes citizenship according to two fundamental principles: jus soli (right of birthplace), and jus sanguinis (right of blood). Under jus soli, a person receives American citizenship by virtue of being born in the United States. By contrast, jus sanguinis confers citizenship on those born to at least one U.S. citizen anywhere in the world. A person who does not qualify under either of these principles may seek U.S. citizenship through the process of naturalization.
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Snuggs09: The Constitution of the United States was adopted in 1787. Our forefathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution to empower homesteaders the right to protect their family from anyone who would cause them harm. The western part of the United States was wild and still being developed. Indians or even other landowners would try to run you off your property. In 1787 there weren’t local police departments, the FBI or any type of law enforcement agency. A family had to have a gun to protect themselves.
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
Well,I am glad I am not Mechanically and Chemically challenged!It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Here are the ways to achieve citizenship in the U.S.:Bases for Citizenship: Birth, Blood, or Naturalization:
The U.S. recognizes citizenship according to two fundamental principles: jus soli (right of birthplace), and jus sanguinis (right of blood). Under jus soli, a person receives American citizenship by virtue of being born in the United States. By contrast, jus sanguinis confers citizenship on those born to at least one U.S. citizen anywhere in the world. A person who does not qualify under either of these principles may seek U.S. citizenship through the process of naturalization.
The U.S. recognizes citizenship according to two fundamental principles: jus soli (right of birthplace), and jus sanguinis (right of blood). Under jus soli, a person receives American citizenship by virtue of being born in the United States. By contrast, jus sanguinis confers citizenship on those born to at least one U.S. citizen anywhere in the world. A person who does not qualify under either of these principles may seek U.S. citizenship through the process of naturalization.
The child was born in the USA and held a USA passport....so in effect the officials going by your information above broke the law....
The child was deported to.....
A child needs it's mother so in effect what the US Gov did sucks and if any other country had acted in this way officials in Washington would have been up in arms screaming HUMAN RIGHTS....
Hypocrisy comes to mind....
A woman lost her home, marriage, way of life.....
US hypocrisy....
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Lady you are kind of person criminals love to make victims of. You probably believe that if guns are taken away from honest gun owners the world will be a safer place and the bad guys won't have access to them.
Take a look of crime statistics of U.S. cities which banned honest people from owning guns.
How can you be so naive?
Take a look of crime statistics of U.S. cities which banned honest people from owning guns.
How can you be so naive?
Snuggs09: The Constitution of the United States was adopted in 1787. Our forefathers wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution to empower homesteaders the right to protect their family from anyone who would cause them harm. The western part of the United States was wild and still being developed. Indians or even other landowners would try to run you off your property. In 1787 there weren’t local police departments, the FBI or any type of law enforcement agency. A family had to have a gun to protect themselves.
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
It is now 2009 and the Second Amendment still gives citizens of the United States the right to bear arms “in case someone intends to commit robbery in their home or any other type of crime”. People who want a gun in their home, or on their person, use the Second Amendment as an excuse to own a weapon.
We don’t have to worry about the Indians attacking our land anymore. Hunters have guns for the sport of hunting and this is not in question. The National Rifle Association states if you want a gun, you should have it. They are very fond of the Second Amendment.
The Constitution has been amended 27 times. It is time to change it again? Should we amend the Second Amendment so that people do use it as an excuse to own a gun. Laws have been changed requiring people to fill out applications for permission to own a gun but it hasn’t deterred the amount of crime. It’s easy to own a gun these days. If the Second Amended was changed people who owned guns, just for the sake of having it, wouldn’t be protected by the Constitution.
Here’s a thought. If we can’t control who owns guns, maybe we can control the bullets….
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Tamarin: The child was born in the USA and held a USA passport....so in effect the officials going by your information above broke the law....
The child was deported to.....
A child needs it's mother so in effect what the US Gov did sucks and if any other country had acted in this way officials in Washington would have been up in arms screaming HUMAN RIGHTS....
Hypocrisy comes to mind....
A woman lost her home, marriage, way of life.....
US hypocrisy....
The child was deported to.....
A child needs it's mother so in effect what the US Gov did sucks and if any other country had acted in this way officials in Washington would have been up in arms screaming HUMAN RIGHTS....
Hypocrisy comes to mind....
A woman lost her home, marriage, way of life.....
US hypocrisy....
Yes the child was a citizen for sure...that should not have happened....BUT at the same time the mother was not likely to leave her child behind either....
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Tamarin: Yet another war monger thread....
In my opinion the only people that should have arms are the Military, Security forces such as the police and the Farmer who has to protect his live stock....
They should be heavily licensed and kept locked away in metal, armoury like containers when not in use....
Until no private household is allowed to keep a gun/weapon we will have the likes a high school shootings and in the states camping shops should not have the weapons on display as they have....
We seem to have a great deal of war mongers and religious zealots on these threads....
Is it acceptable in the states that one can act and do what ever the hell they want six days a week and all will be forgiven if we run to church on Sunday....
Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.....
Want to play with guns join the military and serve your country....
Take your bloody Britt. attitude and stuff it . Thats why we had the Boston tea party.In my opinion the only people that should have arms are the Military, Security forces such as the police and the Farmer who has to protect his live stock....
They should be heavily licensed and kept locked away in metal, armoury like containers when not in use....
Until no private household is allowed to keep a gun/weapon we will have the likes a high school shootings and in the states camping shops should not have the weapons on display as they have....
We seem to have a great deal of war mongers and religious zealots on these threads....
Is it acceptable in the states that one can act and do what ever the hell they want six days a week and all will be forgiven if we run to church on Sunday....
Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.....
Want to play with guns join the military and serve your country....
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Conrad73: You make Arguments that are not within the Scope of this discussion.
True Lawyer-talk!
No one said that the Second Amenment entitles you to Shoot someone if they tick you off.
It is an extension to the Bill Of Rights
The Right To Life Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
There is no Right to Life,if you deny me the Means to defend it!!!
Think about that,next time you make Kneejerk-Statements about that Second Amendment!
True Lawyer-talk!
No one said that the Second Amenment entitles you to Shoot someone if they tick you off.
It is an extension to the Bill Of Rights
The Right To Life Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
There is no Right to Life,if you deny me the Means to defend it!!!
Think about that,next time you make Kneejerk-Statements about that Second Amendment!
I'm not a lawyer!
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ziggysdad: Take your bloody Britt. attitude and stuff it . Thats why we had the Boston tea party.
I don't need to type anything as you have made yourself look a bigot and stupid...
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When guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns. - Not a new sentiment, but definitely a true one. Hell, I'm a pacifist, but I still own a couple rifles. And no Brady Bill is going to change that.
My government is scary, and getting scarier by the day. My family did not come West for new opportunity. I'm a descendant of the Hudson's, some of the first white men to land on American soil. Some of the first to enter into political negotiations with the Iroquois nation, and one of the few "white" clans to fully honor our treaties to the "red" clans. We've had plenty of opportunity. We came West to escape the siege mentality and hypocrisy of the Federal Government.
Well, it worked for awhile anyway.
"People should not be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." - V for Vendetta
My government is scary, and getting scarier by the day. My family did not come West for new opportunity. I'm a descendant of the Hudson's, some of the first white men to land on American soil. Some of the first to enter into political negotiations with the Iroquois nation, and one of the few "white" clans to fully honor our treaties to the "red" clans. We've had plenty of opportunity. We came West to escape the siege mentality and hypocrisy of the Federal Government.
Well, it worked for awhile anyway.
"People should not be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." - V for Vendetta
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Tamarin: Yours is the most sensible post here and I think each off our own individual opinions on here can get a little heated....
But America has to stop trying to police the world and force it opinions and ideas on the rest of the world...
It needs to stop being NO:1 and say we are your brothers, sisters ....a world working together....
Gun running in the USA provides a great deal of the worlds illegal arms so the laws need changed...
But America has to stop trying to police the world and force it opinions and ideas on the rest of the world...
It needs to stop being NO:1 and say we are your brothers, sisters ....a world working together....
Gun running in the USA provides a great deal of the worlds illegal arms so the laws need changed...
Guess it's all in how you look at it. I completely agree about arms sales - illegal or otherwise. Big business and hard to stop but needs to be curtailed if the world is ever to find peace. As for trying to police the world and force our opinions on it? Strictly the province of the politicians! Ask the average american if we're brothers/sisters to the rest of the world and the answer would invariably be "YES!" Do we have an overblown opinion of ourselves? Lol! Have to truthfully answer yes - probably more so than any other country. Could go on and on about mistakes I think my government has made but in the end, its still my government. Made my opinion known in the last election. However, I've traveled extensively to quite a bit of the world and as yet, none have a higher standard of living then the united states. I think a whole lot of the people in my country don't realize how our standard of living compares to much of the world. Think they tend to judge actions based on how we live here instead of seeing it in the larger context of the world. Discussions/forums like these help immensely. Okay, stole enough of this thread - back to topic! Sorry OP.
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Tamarin:
Gun running in the USA provides a great deal of the worlds illegal arms so the laws need changed...
what communist news channel did you hear that on ?Gun running in the USA provides a great deal of the worlds illegal arms so the laws need changed...
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No, The only BS you get with gun control is more crime because those who don't care about the law always do what they want regardless-thus only the law-abiding are hurt. Automatic weapons are not allowed for hunting sales-only semi's.
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And you're darned right that I would be carrying a gun because I intended to shoot someone in that case, for it would be a revolution. War. Yes, one shoots others in a war.
How can you say I twisted his words....he wrote it. This is a heated debate. He should have written exactly what he meant.