GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
Sommerauer71: Thank you.
So your ex had a gun?
Also, there are stringent laws, a person who has been in prison for more than three years is not allowed one, a person with a record of mental health issues is not allowed one.
I am sure that in the US, there are stringent and strident laws that are in place too.
So, the law tightening is all well and good, it is the people who find loopholes in the law, that are the dangerous ones.
The Tony Martin case, an example of a man who was sentenced to life for shooting an intruder.
He was released from prison. His case was not about gun law, it was about the right to protect his own property, that was taken away from him.
I have to say, whilst I do not advocate guns, at all, I do see however, that people have them and know how to use them, why should they not show their child how to respect a dangerous weapon?
If a man has a gun, legally and he has children, why would he not want to show his son how to shoot, and enjoy some sport?
All very well screeching about gun laws, but on a Saturday afternoon, at the local clay pigeon shoot, or shooting a rifle at the funfair, is widely available.
Guns will never be free from soceity, it is not the laws, it is the people who break the law that need addressing.
So your ex had a gun?
Also, there are stringent laws, a person who has been in prison for more than three years is not allowed one, a person with a record of mental health issues is not allowed one.
I am sure that in the US, there are stringent and strident laws that are in place too.
So, the law tightening is all well and good, it is the people who find loopholes in the law, that are the dangerous ones.
The Tony Martin case, an example of a man who was sentenced to life for shooting an intruder.
He was released from prison. His case was not about gun law, it was about the right to protect his own property, that was taken away from him.
I have to say, whilst I do not advocate guns, at all, I do see however, that people have them and know how to use them, why should they not show their child how to respect a dangerous weapon?
If a man has a gun, legally and he has children, why would he not want to show his son how to shoot, and enjoy some sport?
All very well screeching about gun laws, but on a Saturday afternoon, at the local clay pigeon shoot, or shooting a rifle at the funfair, is widely available.
Guns will never be free from soceity, it is not the laws, it is the people who break the law that need addressing.
A good post Thank you
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bodleing:
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
Excellent, now all the anti-gunners have alternate choices for residency since the United States displeases.
I'd rather suffer the consequences of too much freedom that not enough.
Thomas Jefferson
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Tamarin: I could kiss you Bodleing with your facts.....a true gent...
Altho this is, I am sure true Tam ,but we should in all fairness look to see how many are "Gang"related and with "ILLEGAL" guns, We have a very real problem with gangs in this country and that statement needs to be looked at closer IMO......
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jessejess47: Altho this is, I am sure true Tam ,but we should in all fairness look to see how many are "Gang"related and with "ILLEGAL" guns, We have a very real problem with gangs in this country and that statement needs to be looked at closer IMO......
Not just the US, who has a gang culture, the UK has a large gang culture.
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jessejess47: That may be true ,but I would wonder how many are related to "gangs" This is a very large problem here ...... just saying
Quite a high percentage I suspect.
Maybe its just too easy for the wrong people
to get their hands on guns that is the real
problem.
Guns in the Wrong Hands
Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)
According to Americans for Gun Safety (December 2002), gun theft is most likely in states without laws requiring safe storage of firearms in the home and where there are large numbers of gun owners and relatively high crime rates. Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered. The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, most likely fuel the black market for criminals. NEA, AGS and the National Rifle Association advocate for safe storage. To access "Stolen Guns: Arming the Enemy" visit .
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Of course he had shot guns Sommer he was a farmer.....
My son knows how to shoot and has been on game shoots....I add as a beater not holding a gun....Grouse shooting...
He like his mum has decided of his own will that he will never hold a gun and use it....that is his choice...he believes that they cause more harm than good...Yes he plays video games to the man who asked but he knows right from wrong....
I can shoot and was taught how to....I am a military brat but I also have seen enough in my life of what a weapon can do and cause to advocate against them....choose never to pick one up...
That is my choice to speak out against them as we all have the right to voice our opinions and views...
Freedom of Speech...
My son knows how to shoot and has been on game shoots....I add as a beater not holding a gun....Grouse shooting...
He like his mum has decided of his own will that he will never hold a gun and use it....that is his choice...he believes that they cause more harm than good...Yes he plays video games to the man who asked but he knows right from wrong....
I can shoot and was taught how to....I am a military brat but I also have seen enough in my life of what a weapon can do and cause to advocate against them....choose never to pick one up...
That is my choice to speak out against them as we all have the right to voice our opinions and views...
Freedom of Speech...
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jessejess47: Altho this is, I am sure true Tam ,but we should in all fairness look to see how many are "Gang"related and with "ILLEGAL" guns, We have a very real problem with gangs in this country and that statement needs to be looked at closer IMO......
That would be a great thread for you to start Jesse....
The Gang culture in the USA
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Sommerauer71: Not just the US, who has a gang culture, the UK has a large gang culture.
that again maybe true as well ,but how many are shot with "ILLEGAL" firearms, I do support the limiting of fully auto-matic weapons as I see no other purpose for them other than a "drive by shooting", and I am not sure how big the problem is elsewhere in the world ,but it really is a huge problem here ,and I am not trying to minimise this else where, also I would like to see something compared to population wise as well.------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing: Quite a high percentage I suspect.
Maybe its just too easy for the wrong people
to get their hands on guns that is the real
problem.Guns in the Wrong Hands
Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)
According to Americans for Gun Safety (December 2002), gun theft is most likely in states without laws requiring safe storage of firearms in the home and where there are large numbers of gun owners and relatively high crime rates. Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered. The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, most likely fuel the black market for criminals. NEA, AGS and the National Rifle Association advocate for safe storage. To access "Stolen Guns: Arming the Enemy" visit .
this I think is supporting both positions, and thanks Maybe its just too easy for the wrong people
to get their hands on guns that is the real
problem.Guns in the Wrong Hands
Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)
According to Americans for Gun Safety (December 2002), gun theft is most likely in states without laws requiring safe storage of firearms in the home and where there are large numbers of gun owners and relatively high crime rates. Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered. The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, most likely fuel the black market for criminals. NEA, AGS and the National Rifle Association advocate for safe storage. To access "Stolen Guns: Arming the Enemy" visit .
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I have no problem for laws that keep guns were they can not be stolen, but this would also support the carrying of them on your person were they cannot be stolen.
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Tamarin: Of course he had shot guns Sommer he was a farmer.....
My son knows how to shoot and has been on game shoots....I add as a beater not holding a gun....Grouse shooting...
He like his mum has decided of his own will that he will never hold a gun and use it....that is his choice...he believes that they cause more harm than good...Yes he plays video games to the man who asked but he knows right from wrong....
I can shoot and was taught how to....I am a military brat but I also have seen enough in my life of what a weapon can do and cause to advocate against them....choose never to pick one up...
That is my choice to speak out against them as we all have the right to voice our opinions and views...
Freedom of Speech...
My son knows how to shoot and has been on game shoots....I add as a beater not holding a gun....Grouse shooting...
He like his mum has decided of his own will that he will never hold a gun and use it....that is his choice...he believes that they cause more harm than good...Yes he plays video games to the man who asked but he knows right from wrong....
I can shoot and was taught how to....I am a military brat but I also have seen enough in my life of what a weapon can do and cause to advocate against them....choose never to pick one up...
That is my choice to speak out against them as we all have the right to voice our opinions and views...
Freedom of Speech...
You say 'of course he had a gun' I did not know he was a farmer.
All farmers have guns?
It is about choice, to have one, or to not.
I agree.
What I do not agree with is when people are attacked when they choose to have one.
Kansan has articulated himself very well, in his post, there is such a thing as responsible ownership. There is such a thing as a child being shown how to handle a gun.
You yourself, have stated that your son can shoot, yet earlier in the thread, you stated that a child holding a gun was dangerous.
I see yawning chasims in your posts, Tamarin, you are claming that you have been taught to shoot, yet you are slating those that are responsible and use them wisely.
You cannot have it all ways, slate people who vocalise their beliefs and actions, as you have done, you have justified your ex husband having a gun, because 'he was a farmer'
I am not fluent in guns, never have been, but I am interested in what people who do have the knowledge of them, to learn, about them, the reasons why they hold them. I do not advocate them, but I do not slate the people when they do.
Yes, freedom of speech is great, but thinking is also good too, to execute our human right of freedom of speech.
This is in not an attack, it is a debate, I have seen posts and I am challenging you on them, not the topic, your posts. I can understand why Kansan has written what he has, based on your posts.
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jessejess47: that again maybe true as well ,but how many are shot with "ILLEGAL" firearms, I do support the limiting of fully auto-matic weapons as I see no other purpose for them other than a "drive by shooting", and I am not sure how big the problem is elsewhere in the world ,but it really is a huge problem here ,and I am not trying to minimise this else where, also I would like to see something compared to population wise as well.
I am unaware of the figures Jesse, surely I am, but I do know, that if the firearm is legal, and a person is shot dead, then that is one crime.
If a person is shot, with intent to kill, then that is another.
If a person who does all that, holds an illegal firearm, then a charge will be made for that.
I think it is hard to compare it to population. If we are talking in percentages then we cannot compare.
Illegal gun crime is a problem in the UK as it is in the US, no country has the corner on this escalating problem.
The gun shops, need to be checked more, provide a papertrail, or be closed down and forced to cease trading. I would say that would be one of the many ways to prevent some illegal possession of guns.
How to tackle it all, is beyonod my humble mind.
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Tamarin: You teach your children how to shoot and handle a gun...
This is madness a child with a gun...
No wonder we have school and college massacres....
This is madness a child with a gun...
No wonder we have school and college massacres....
I am sorry Tamarin, but this post is contrary to what you have stated about your own son.
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Sommerauer71: You say 'of course he had a gun' I did not know he was a farmer.
All farmers have guns?
It is about choice, to have one, or to not.
I agree.
What I do not agree with is when people are attacked when they choose to have one.
Kansan has articulated himself very well, in his post, there is such a thing as responsible ownership. There is such a thing as a child being shown how to handle a gun.
You yourself, have stated that your son can shoot, yet earlier in the thread, you stated that a child holding a gun was dangerous.
I see yawning chasims in your posts, Tamarin, you are claming that you have been taught to shoot, yet you are slating those that are responsible and use them wisely.
You cannot have it all ways, slate people who vocalise their beliefs and actions, as you have done, you have justified your ex husband having a gun, because 'he was a farmer'
I am not fluent in guns, never have been, but I am interested in what people who do have the knowledge of them, to learn, about them, the reasons why they hold them. I do not advocate them, but I do not slate the people when they do.
Yes, freedom of speech is great, but thinking is also good too, to execute our human right of freedom of speech.
This is in not an attack, it is a debate, I have seen posts and I am challenging you on them, not the topic, your posts. I can understand why Kansan has written what he has, based on your posts.
All farmers have guns?
It is about choice, to have one, or to not.
I agree.
What I do not agree with is when people are attacked when they choose to have one.
Kansan has articulated himself very well, in his post, there is such a thing as responsible ownership. There is such a thing as a child being shown how to handle a gun.
You yourself, have stated that your son can shoot, yet earlier in the thread, you stated that a child holding a gun was dangerous.
I see yawning chasims in your posts, Tamarin, you are claming that you have been taught to shoot, yet you are slating those that are responsible and use them wisely.
You cannot have it all ways, slate people who vocalise their beliefs and actions, as you have done, you have justified your ex husband having a gun, because 'he was a farmer'
I am not fluent in guns, never have been, but I am interested in what people who do have the knowledge of them, to learn, about them, the reasons why they hold them. I do not advocate them, but I do not slate the people when they do.
Yes, freedom of speech is great, but thinking is also good too, to execute our human right of freedom of speech.
This is in not an attack, it is a debate, I have seen posts and I am challenging you on them, not the topic, your posts. I can understand why Kansan has written what he has, based on your posts.
I am afraid I am to tired to debate these posts anymore...
All farmers I know have a shotgun for obvious reasons...just as a vet carries a gun to put down an animal in pain....
Why should you know my ex was a farmer at one time and came from farming people....I never discussed it with you or anyone here..
I did not choose to learn to shoot...I did not go up to my step dad and say please teach me to use a gun....
I was a child who had choices made for me just as my son's father made for him....
As I am now an adult I can make my own choices and think it is wrong for any child to handle a gun and that it is wrong to have an item that is designed to kill and harm...That a child should make that decision for themselves when an adult...
That is what adults do make their own choices and form their own views....
Children do not they hopefully have sensible adults to make appropriate choices for them...
Thi thread is now dull and going around in circles IMO...
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Sommerauer71: I am sorry Tamarin, but this post is contrary to what you have stated about your own son.
I have just answered that question for you in my last post....
I did not teach my son to shoot my ex husband did....
I can not control what my ex does with his son....
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bodleing: Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
I was speaking of these numbers, I was just wondering that because of the high number of deaths in the states that how they were compared to the population in other areas, like here we have a much larger population than say Canada, so therefore there would be more deaths here as there are more people. But I have to agree the numbers are very bad to seeIn a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
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Tamarin: I am afraid I am to tired to debate these posts anymore...
All farmers I know have a shotgun for obvious reasons...just as a vet carries a gun to put down an animal in pain....
Why should you know my ex was a farmer at one time and came from farming people....I never discussed it with you or anyone here..
I did not choose to learn to shoot...I did not go up to my step dad and say please teach me to use a gun....
I was a child who had choices made for me just as my son's father made for him....
As I am now an adult I can make my own choices and think it is wrong for any child to handle a gun and that it is wrong to have an item that is designed to kill and harm...That a child should make that decision for themselves when an adult...
That is what adults do make their own choices and form their own views....
Children do not they hopefully have sensible adults to make appropriate choices for them...
Thi thread is now dull and going around in circles IMO...
All farmers I know have a shotgun for obvious reasons...just as a vet carries a gun to put down an animal in pain....
Why should you know my ex was a farmer at one time and came from farming people....I never discussed it with you or anyone here..
I did not choose to learn to shoot...I did not go up to my step dad and say please teach me to use a gun....
I was a child who had choices made for me just as my son's father made for him....
As I am now an adult I can make my own choices and think it is wrong for any child to handle a gun and that it is wrong to have an item that is designed to kill and harm...That a child should make that decision for themselves when an adult...
That is what adults do make their own choices and form their own views....
Children do not they hopefully have sensible adults to make appropriate choices for them...
Thi thread is now dull and going around in circles IMO...
You have answered my question.
No, you did not have a choice, but it puts you in a prime position to understand more, than say a person such as me, who has little knowledge of this subject and is learning as she reads.
Adults do make their own choices, indeed, but I have seen here, responsible adults attacked for their choices.
Nobody has attacked you for yours, why would they?
It may be dull to you, but I have gained an awful lot of knowledge today, from this very thread. About guns and the people who hold them, here. When a poster such as Kansan, makes a post, because I know his previous posts have been intelligent and coherent, I will read his contributions to such a controversial issue, because I know it will be balanced.
So I hope there are more contributions to it, it has been an eye opener and for me that is what I like, when I learn something mfrom the people who have knowledge and can teach me and guide me.
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Tamarin: I have just answered that question for you in my last post....
I did not teach my son to shoot my ex husband did....
I can not control what my ex does with his son....
I did not teach my son to shoot my ex husband did....
I can not control what my ex does with his son....
And yet you're trying to force your views on the rest of us. Why? We're not even related. Surely your ex-husband's (i.,e., YOUR) son is more important to you than the rest of the world?
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Tamarin: p.s I have not dragged I have discussed that is your word K not mine.....
I have nothing to drag about ...Gun issues are nothing to drag about....a gun is designed to kill and harm....
I have nothing to drag about ...Gun issues are nothing to drag about....a gun is designed to kill and harm....
Hmmm... You berated me for a typo (an added 'd') and then commit two typo's in a row with the same letter. Interesting!
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In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
I could kiss you Bodleing with your facts.....a true gent...