GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
rocketqueen: no i'm not.....i need it for the farm
but doesnt mean that someone who lives in the city needs one
please understand not all people use thier firearms for killing as I do not and I have a few , this has been gone over many times, and I live in a citybut doesnt mean that someone who lives in the city needs one
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rocketqueen: i have to agree with you there....it is such an inherent thing in america, the constitution sez it, so everyone upholds that bit of the constitution about their rights to own guns.
but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
The problem with that is that close to a quarter of the people I know hunt with a handgunbut even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
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rocketqueen: i have to agree with you there....it is such an inherent thing in america, the constitution sez it, so everyone upholds that bit of the constitution about their rights to own guns.
but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
I have stated in this thread a couple of time I have no use for this type of weapon, they are for drive by shootings IMO ,but thier are collectors that do have them.but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
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jessejess47: I have stated in this thread a couple of time I have no use for this type of weapon, they are for drive by shootings IMO ,but thier are collectors that do have them.
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jessejess47: I have stated in this thread a couple of time I have no use for this type of weapon, they are for drive by shootings IMO ,but thier are collectors that do have them.
sorry I miss read your post ,nope I have semiautomatic. i thouhg you said fully auto- matic so sorry. These I have no use for but I do have a 22 semi for target shooting...------ This thread is Archived ------
USThumper: I have a russian sks and a ruger 10-22, both semiauto and we hunt with both
I miss read the post ,thumper sorry....
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jessejess47: I miss read the post ,thumper sorry....
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rocketqueen: i have to agree with you there....it is such an inherent thing in america, the constitution sez it, so everyone upholds that bit of the constitution about their rights to own guns.
but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those gunswhat would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?
Listen I can produce stats if needed that Rebecca Peters brainchild in Aus has not had the desired effect, Crime has not dropped in addition to that I am executive protection agent I have done protective details all over the world including the countries with so called gun reform. It has been me experience that people are not safer they are more fearful of their safety.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
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jtlextreme: Listen I can produce stats if needed that Rebecca Peters brainchild in Aus has not had the desired effect, Crime has not dropped in addition to that I am executive protection agent I have done protective details all over the world including the countries with so called gun reform. It has been me experience that people are not safer they are more fearful of their safety.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
Exactly Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
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jessejess47: I have stated in this thread a couple of time I have no use for this type of weapon, they are for drive by shootings IMO ,but thier are collectors that do have them.
just get them plugged...problem solved
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I found this info on a Fishing/Hunting site which I'm a member of.
A gun ban list and the list doesn't apply to criminals.
Alan Korwin
Infowars
March 13, 2009
Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Continued
A gun ban list and the list doesn't apply to criminals.
Alan Korwin
Infowars
March 13, 2009
Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Continued
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jtlextreme: Listen I can produce stats if needed that Rebecca Peters brainchild in Aus has not had the desired effect, Crime has not dropped in addition to that I am executive protection agent I have done protective details all over the world including the countries with so called gun reform. It has been me experience that people are not safer they are more fearful of their safety.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
you so wrong here- please visit this website and get informed
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rocketqueen: just get them plugged...problem solved
what you mean the fully automatic weapons or semi-automatic , and if you do mean semi , would you then say well lets get rid of the pump weapons as well, then the double barrel and the over and under ,ect. When does it stop. I said I have no use for them but if you are a collector and enjoy them on a fireing range who am I to say you can't have them
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Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”
Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
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jtlextreme: Listen I can produce stats if needed that Rebecca Peters brainchild in Aus has not had the desired effect, Crime has not dropped in addition to that I am executive protection agent I have done protective details all over the world including the countries with so called gun reform. It has been me experience that people are not safer they are more fearful of their safety.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
Gun rights are just that in this country a right. The minute you start chipping into those rights they start to disappear. We in America are a free nation and will remain that way. I can stat you to death with all kinds of info but it's like talking to rocks and you would not understand. I could make the argument that man has hunted or protected livestock for centuries before firearms. Why do you need a gun on a farm when a spear would work animals don't shoot back. However in the cities criminals are armed and will shoot you.
if an animal (we have horses, hereford cattle, goats.) breaks its leg, or has an injury so bad it has to be put out of its misery, then only a gun will suffice to stop prolonged suffering......
oh and by the way, you are blinded if you think you live in a free country
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rocketqueen: you so wrong here- please visit this website and get informed
how can someone be wrong about their own experience?
thats as plausible as popcorn popping mobile phones
rights and privileges are just that
i dont judge others' countries traditions and why can others judge this one?
guns are not a problem
guns are inanimate objects
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jessejess47: what you mean the fully automatic weapons or semi-automatic , and if you do mean semi , would you then say well lets get rid of the pump weapons as well, then the double barrel and the over and under ,ect. When does it stop. I said I have no use for them but if you are a collector and enjoy them on a fireing range who am I to say you can't have them
we are a different culture
but because its guns it makes us bad in the eyes of other countries
this conversation is a losing battle
the rest of the world and its people are as judgemental as americans-intolerant of others' traditions and cultures
thats cuz we all have one thing in common
we are arrogant humans
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TO ARMS!!!!
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rocketqueen:
oh and by the way, you are blinded if you think you live in a free country
oh and by the way, you are blinded if you think you live in a free country
Who does really?
TO ARMS AT ONCE!!!!!!!!!
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i have to agree with you there....it is such an inherent thing in america, the constitution sez it, so everyone upholds that bit of the constitution about their rights to own guns.
but even all of you agree with the fact that not everyone has the right to own guns, as you have all said before, that you would like for all the criminals not to be able to have access to those guns
what would you all say if a gun law was introduced, where nearly all semi-automatics, and handguns (except for police) were banned? the only guns available would be basically for hunting?