GUN CONTROL....is it a good thing (888)
Guns don't kill people...People do....And people who kill are gonna find a way whether it's a gun or some other weapon....responsible gun ownership...background checks for criminal records etc and safety training should be the key...Criminals will always get guns regardless to commit crimes...it's called the black market...so when you put laws like banning gun ownership into place...all you are doing is punishing law biding citizens....
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sassy49senior: Tam, I think you and Snuggs are very nice ladies, but this
is one area I dis agree.
Our kids were taught at a young age how to respect a gun
and what it was used for. We used ours for hunting as
that put meat in our freezer to get us through the
winter. We were not sick or deranged people and if you
could talk to any of my kids, now all adults, they would
tell you how learning how to use guns has been helpful
to them. No they were not taught to kill another human
being, but I guarantee you, if it meant the safety of
my kids or grand-kids I would not not hesitate to
protect them. Another thing our kids were taught before
they were even able to walk was how to set on a horse,
pet a horse and ride with Mom or Dad. (JMO)
is one area I dis agree.
Our kids were taught at a young age how to respect a gun
and what it was used for. We used ours for hunting as
that put meat in our freezer to get us through the
winter. We were not sick or deranged people and if you
could talk to any of my kids, now all adults, they would
tell you how learning how to use guns has been helpful
to them. No they were not taught to kill another human
being, but I guarantee you, if it meant the safety of
my kids or grand-kids I would not not hesitate to
protect them. Another thing our kids were taught before
they were even able to walk was how to set on a horse,
pet a horse and ride with Mom or Dad. (JMO)
I totally agree with what you say Sassy and in one of my earlier posts I did say that farmers need to keep a weapon, used sensibly and stored safely but not a normal household in a a housing estate.....
I see exactly what you are saying as I come from a farming community through marriage and my kids were taught the same...
But no normal in the city household needs to keep a gun...
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Tamarin: No child should handle a gun ....never mind be taught how to use it ...now I know these people are very sick...
A childhood should be about innocence not handling weapons that kill....
A childhood should be about innocence not handling weapons that kill....
Agree, agree, agree. But, I cannot convince them that being free and easy to have guns is okay no more then they can convince me that it is the RIGHT of the people. They are hiding behind the 2nd Amendment.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Guns don't kill people...People do....And people who kill are gonna find a way whether it's a gun or some other weapon....responsible gun ownership...background checks for criminal records etc and safety training should be the key...Criminals will always get guns regardless to commit crimes...it's called the black market...so when you put laws like banning gun ownership into place...all you are doing is punishing law biding citizens....
True, they will be bought on the black market.
Is it necessary to teach young children "in school" as some have said how to handle a firearm. Children should be learning how to ride they bicycle, etc., not how to point and shoot.
It seems as though some are saying a gun should be a staple in the kitchen just like flour and sugar. I really don't get it
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Snuggs09: True, they will be bought on the black market.
Is it necessary to teach young children "in school" as some have said how to handle a firearm. Children should be learning how to ride they bicycle, etc., not how to point and shoot.
It seems as though some are saying a gun should be a staple in the kitchen just like flour and sugar. I really don't get it
Is it necessary to teach young children "in school" as some have said how to handle a firearm. Children should be learning how to ride they bicycle, etc., not how to point and shoot.
It seems as though some are saying a gun should be a staple in the kitchen just like flour and sugar. I really don't get it
Noooooo that should either be the responsibility of the parent or there should be some kind of gun safety course for them...BUT I don't see it being part of the school curriculum.....and wellllll I suppose it is up to individuals whether they want to own guns...but there indeed should be some guidelines like the ones I mentioned...
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Snuggs09: Snuggs09: You don't need to get testy Dru.
You and other keep saying the 2nd Amendment is meant to protect us from our government.
I asked, but no one answered.... if our government tried to become a dictatorship, are you and many others going to pack up your guns and go to Washington and shoot everyone in the Capitol?THIS IS CONRADS RESPONSE:
That is the General Idea,if need be!
Conrad did say he would march on Washington with the intent to shoot everyone. I'm not making up this stuff, you guys are writing it.
You and other keep saying the 2nd Amendment is meant to protect us from our government.
I asked, but no one answered.... if our government tried to become a dictatorship, are you and many others going to pack up your guns and go to Washington and shoot everyone in the Capitol?THIS IS CONRADS RESPONSE:
That is the General Idea,if need be!
Conrad did say he would march on Washington with the intent to shoot everyone. I'm not making up this stuff, you guys are writing it.
I think you totally twisted Conrads words, Snuggs. I believe what he meant was that he would join on the side of revolutionaries, and march on Washington if need be...and I agree. I was clarifying what that wouldn't mean in response to what you posted about "would you march on the Capitol and shoot everyone?"
And you're darned right that I would be carrying a gun because I intended to shoot someone in that case, for it would be a revolution. War. Yes, one shoots others in a war.
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Tamarin: I totally agree with what you say Sassy and in one of my earlier posts I did say that farmers need to keep a weapon, used sensibly and stored safely but not a normal household in a a housing estate.....
I see exactly what you are saying as I come from a farming community through marriage and my kids were taught the same...
But no normal in the city household needs to keep a gun...
I see exactly what you are saying as I come from a farming community through marriage and my kids were taught the same...
But no normal in the city household needs to keep a gun...
Tam, yes, a normal "in the city" household certainly does need to keep a gun. The crime stats for cities like New York City where gun ownership is highly regulated compared to those of a city like Phoenix, AZ where so many citizens are armed prove it. Where we have more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens, we have much lower incidence of violent crime. Period. Statistics and facts to back that up if one does their research.
Done here. Have fun, all. Only checked back in this early because I couldn't do a couple of the things I was trying to do online today. Off to do what I need to do offline.
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Snuggs09: Agree, agree, agree. But, I cannot convince them that being free and easy to have guns is okay no more then they can convince me that it is the RIGHT of the people. They are hiding behind the 2nd Amendment.
New voice to the thread. Some interesting points/arguements presented. Makes for interesting reading. In a different perspective, why do you need convincing that it is the RIGHT of the people to own guns? You are entitled to believe how you wish. However, gun laws/regulations by nature will take away the rights or wishes of other individuals. If I want to own a gun, who has the right to say no to that? This country has ALWAYS been about the rights of the individual and it seems as if more and more attempts at curtailing those rights are occurring on an almost daily basis.------ This thread is Archived ------
Snuggs09: Well, Dru left and now Dogman and Conrad left.
Her support team has left the building.
It was interesting but you'll never convince me that guns should be a staple in the household just like milk and bread.
Her support team has left the building.
It was interesting but you'll never convince me that guns should be a staple in the household just like milk and bread.
I wasn't aware I needed a support team, Snuggs.
I think I'm pretty good at handling myself in any debate, especially one that covers a subject I've researched and studied. Some of us just have other things to do with our day, and also are aware that you and others who are against gun ownership, or are in favor of regulation, won't seek the facts, so we're wasting our keystrokes telling them to you, or directing you as to where to find them.
Have a good day, my friend. I've got things to do...as I'm sure Dogman and Conrad did too. We'll probably be back later.
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woody636: New voice to the thread. Some interesting points/arguements presented. Makes for interesting reading. In a different perspective, why do you need convincing that it is the RIGHT of the people to own guns? You are entitled to believe how you wish. However, gun laws/regulations by nature will take away the rights or wishes of other individuals. If I want to own a gun, who has the right to say no to that? This country has ALWAYS been about the rights of the individual and it seems as if more and more attempts at curtailing those rights are occurring on an almost daily basis.
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Snuggs09: Snuggs09: You don't need to get testy Dru.
You and other keep saying the 2nd Amendment is meant to protect us from our government.
I asked, but no one answered.... if our government tried to become a dictatorship, are you and many others going to pack up your guns and go to Washington and shoot everyone in the Capitol?THIS IS CONRADS RESPONSE:
That is the General Idea,if need be!
Conrad did say he would march on Washington with the intent to shoot everyone. I'm not making up this stuff, you guys are writing it.
Sure glad yo're putting Words into my Mouth.You and other keep saying the 2nd Amendment is meant to protect us from our government.
I asked, but no one answered.... if our government tried to become a dictatorship, are you and many others going to pack up your guns and go to Washington and shoot everyone in the Capitol?THIS IS CONRADS RESPONSE:
That is the General Idea,if need be!
Conrad did say he would march on Washington with the intent to shoot everyone. I'm not making up this stuff, you guys are writing it.
You're an American,and this is how much you cherish your Liberties,that you're willing to give it up for any Goon?
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petalbabe: Id say that was rather uncalled for Snuggs, wouldnt you?
Dru is one of the strongest and respected ladies on this forum, and I sincerely doubt very much that she needs a "support team"..
Anyway, good afternoon to everyone, and carry on...
Dru is one of the strongest and respected ladies on this forum, and I sincerely doubt very much that she needs a "support team"..
Anyway, good afternoon to everyone, and carry on...
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Snuggs09: Agree, agree, agree. But, I cannot convince them that being free and easy to have guns is okay no more then they can convince me that it is the RIGHT of the people. They are hiding behind the 2nd Amendment.
You haven't got a Clue,what RIGHTS mean!
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woody636: New voice to the thread. Some interesting points/arguements presented. Makes for interesting reading. In a different perspective, why do you need convincing that it is the RIGHT of the people to own guns? You are entitled to believe how you wish. However, gun laws/regulations by nature will take away the rights or wishes of other individuals. If I want to own a gun, who has the right to say no to that? This country has ALWAYS been about the rights of the individual and it seems as if more and more attempts at curtailing those rights are occurring on an almost daily basis.
Sorry but I had to answer this post of yours when you talk about rights in the USA and how thet are always up held.....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
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Snuggs09: YOU should learn to be polite in expressing your opinion and not condemning someone who doesn't agree with you.
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Conrad73: You haven't got a Clue,what RIGHTS mean!
That's right. Be insulting.
You prefer to show how powerful you are with a gun in your hand.
My idea of power comes with using my brain to find a better way for the problem. I may not understand the 2nd Amendment completely, but I listened to your opinion without being condescending and arrogant.
If we take up a gun everytime someone ticks us off, we'll all be dead.
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Tamarin: Sorry but I had to answer this post of yours when you talk about rights in the USA and how thet are always up held.....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
What has that got to do with the Second Amendment?Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
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Tamarin: Sorry but I had to answer this post of yours when you talk about rights in the USA and how thet are always up held.....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
Go talk to any ex pat living in the USA and they will tell you different...
I know off a lady who was a Brit and married to an American...they had a child born in the USA...
He committed a crime and because she refused to give evidence against her husband the US powers deported her and her baby....
I know of many ex pats living in the US with green cards, the correct papers, paying all their taxes and still denied the right to vote etc....
No the USA is not always the land of the free and does not give all their human rights....
In order to vote and have the same rights as a U.S. citizen...You have to be a U.S. citizen....which means if coming from another country an application for citizenship....a green card does not make you a citizen nor confer upon you the same rights that U.S. citizens have..it only gives you the right to live and work in the country....
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Conrad73: And what is it you have been doing all through this Thread?
I am under the impression we are in a discussion.
Each of us has a different opinion.
It is called communication. It's a good thing.
I don't agree with you or others who believe that a gun should be in the same cabinet with the flour and sugar. That's my RIGHT (as you say) to have that opinion. You have a RIGHT to your opinion.
Just because you can't convince me that your way is "the way" there's no need to talk down to me.
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Well,when I am controlling my gun it is deffinatley a good thing!