woody636: Guess it's all in how you look at it. I completely agree about arms sales - illegal or otherwise. Big business and hard to stop but needs to be curtailed if the world is ever to find peace. As for trying to police the world and force our opinions on it? Strictly the province of the politicians! Ask the average american if we're brothers/sisters to the rest of the world and the answer would invariably be "YES!" Do we have an overblown opinion of ourselves? Lol! Have to truthfully answer yes - probably more so than any other country. Could go on and on about mistakes I think my government has made but in the end, its still my government. Made my opinion known in the last election. However, I've traveled extensively to quite a bit of the world and as yet, none have a higher standard of living then the united states. I think a whole lot of the people in my country don't realize how our standard of living compares to much of the world. Think they tend to judge actions based on how we live here instead of seeing it in the larger context of the world. Discussions/forums like these help immensely. Okay, stole enough of this thread - back to topic! Sorry OP.
I knew there were some on here who could hold a mature and sensible discussion....
That is what is wrong so many in the US never leave it's shores and see the rest of the world...
jlw45: and where, pray tell, have you witnessed "gun running"....???....
Read the thread right through and take in that I was a military brat who at one time lived in Central America....
You may try and make me look foolish but sir you will not succeed I have travelled and seen more in the world than you probably have homemade cooked meals.....
I am worldly and have been to many countries and seen many things that is why I do not tolerate ignorance very well...
Tamarin: I knew there were some on here who could hold a mature and sensible discussion....
That is what is wrong so many in the US never leave it's shores and see the rest of the world...
Sad but true about leaving the states. Same applies to citizens of the U.S. and learning other languages. The U.S. is SOOO big and our entire continent basically speaks english (yes, most of mexico speaks english as well as spanish) We've never had a REASON to learn other languages unlike the people of europe who need to speak other languages fluently for business, travel, ect.. That has to change as the world keeps getting smaller and smaller. Great discussion! Thanks!
Tamarin: Okay then guys lets hear your so convincing arguements why a normal, private household should keep a weapon....
Before you spout the military line let me tell you I grew up a military brat and have links still....so I am pretty educated on the safety and use of weapons...
So lets hear these convincing arguements that violence should be the answer to violence and blood shed...
Tamarin: Read the thread right through and take in that I was a military brat who at one time lived in Central America....
You may try and make me look foolish but sir you will not succeed I have travelled and seen more in the world than you probably have homemade cooked meals.....
I am worldly and have been to many countries and seen many things that is why I do not tolerate ignorance very well...
wel well...good for you, "miss worldly"....you may not tolerate ignorance very well but, you sure are gullible...
Tamarin: I don't need to type anything as you have made yourself look a bigot and stupid...
This subject is about the US constitution for american citizens . I am not a boggot as u say u are a stupid britt. that needs to tend to your own buisness .
ziggysdad: This subject is about the US constitution for american citizens . I am not a boggot as u say u are a stupid britt. that needs to tend to your own buisness .
Your last typed statement screams ignorance, insult and narrow minded bigot....
This is an Int forum free for all to discuss so your statement about minding my own business id bizarre....
I do not see it stated anywhere that is is for American Ciitizens....
petalbabeOgdensburg, New York, Cork Ireland3,101 posts
woody636: Sad but true about leaving the states. Same applies to citizens of the U.S. and learning other languages. The U.S. is SOOO big and our entire continent basically speaks english (yes, most of mexico speaks english as well as spanish) We've never had a REASON to learn other languages unlike the people of europe who need to speak other languages fluently for business, travel, ect.. That has to change as the world keeps getting smaller and smaller. Great discussion! Thanks!
I know this is slightly off-topic but it seems to being increasingly included in this discussion, so I wanted to post.
I can totally understand why certain citizens of the US do not learn another language; they have a delightful mixture of immigrants that allows them to listen and live with other cultures on their own doorstep. I can totally understand why alot of US citizens have not travelled beyond the borders of the USA. Its a huge, huge country, full of diverse sights and experiences, and is far, far more culture-mixed than, for example, England. England is so close to Europe, that it is almost not considered "going abroad" to travel to France, or Spain or suchlike. It does not make Europeans more "wordly" or widely travelled than Americans. It is simple easier, and cheaper to travel to other parts of Europe.
To generalise, and say that Americans are not interested in other countries, or are unworldly is wrong. I find Ireland extremely insular at times, and I also know of English citizens with the same attitude. I know people who have lived in England (or Ireland) all their lives, and STILL have not travelled out of either small country.
I think it is uncalled for to make sweeping generalisations on other country's citizens, and I, for one, would never do it. It smacks of xenaphobia.
I have not commented on the Gun Crime topic, as I admit I do not know about it to contributed constructively, so I will leave that to the rest of you.
I simply found it uncomfortable to read comments being made about other country's citizens.
Tamarin: I don't need to type anything as you have made yourself look a bigot and stupid...
And for your information I have ben around the world a fiew times and speak several langueges. The most arrogant people i have ever met were the britts who always thought they knew everything. So again I say to you mind your own buisness.If you Britts had stayed out of Ireland we would not have ben fighting you for 300 years .
Tamarin: Your last typed statement screams ignorance, insult and narrow minded bigot....
This is an Int forum free for all to discuss so your statement about minding my own business id bizarre....
I do not see it stated anywhere that is is for American Ciitizens....
I feel very sorry for you...
you well know that gun control is a sticky subject for most americans, tam....what do you expect from some?...americans tend to hold dear to their right to bare arms...it's part of our history...it's what made us who we are, as a country...but don't worry your pretty little head...it wont be long and the U.S. will be just like th E.U....tell me...in brittain, can the average joe get a gun?...or is that still just reserved for the upper crest?...
Galactic_bodhi: When guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns.
This is my worry. The people who go out there shooting others and use their guns illegaly don't give two craps about what the constitution says. They're already breaking the law, why would they care about breaking other one. So now they could do pretty much whatever they wanted and know almost positively that the victim won't have a gun to protect themselves. I can know all the martial arts and have all the knives in the world, and that isn't gonna help me one damn bit if you shoot me from the other side of the room. JMO, feel free to bash me now.
roscoexxx: Lady you are kind of person criminals love to make victims of. You probably believe that if guns are taken away from honest gun owners the world will be a safer place and the bad guys won't have access to them. Take a look of crime statistics of U.S. cities which banned honest people from owning guns. How can you be so naive?
The longer the thread gets, the more it is being taken out of proportion.
Several times I said:
I am not against people who own guns legally.
I also said I am not again hunters. There are gun collectors who have a license. Those people are not the problem.
The initial subject of the thread is to ask you, how do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?
I asked should we add a codicil to the 2nd Amendment. I NEVER said do away with the 2nd Amendment.
I admitted that I had an education from this as I did not know that the government of the United States was beheading people. Rest assured, I will do some research on that.
Look, guys, I don't have the answer to how we can lower crime. All I did was ask for your opinion.
But you seem to think it's more efficient to handle violence with more violence. March on Washington when you don't like what they do. Why aren't you marching on Washington now. They have put us in debt of trillions of dollars. Go down there and tell them "You're not going to take it anymore". Put a gun in their face, show them you mean business.
lanabyte: This is my worry. The people who go out there shooting others and use their guns illegaly don't give two craps about what the constitution says. They're already breaking the law, why would they care about breaking other one. So now they could do pretty much whatever they wanted and know almost positively that the victim won't have a gun to protect themselves. I can know all the martial arts and have all the knives in the world, and that isn't gonna help me one damn bit if you shoot me from the other side of the room. JMO, feel free to bash me now.
Not going to bash you, I agree with you.
When a guy pulls out a gun, and all I can pull out is a hand with some skin on it, I'm in deep doo-doo. I'll not surrender my rights to make a few squeamish people feel better about their world. Its a violent place, and I intend to provide an armed response to danger.
Anyone who intends to take that right away from me, can come and try.
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I knew there were some on here who could hold a mature and sensible discussion....
That is what is wrong so many in the US never leave it's shores and see the rest of the world...