I don't disagree with you entirely....however you have to admit it is a change from the "goodnight" threads huh?...
There is nothing wrong with having a "civil" discussion on beliefs or disbeliefs...the word "civil" being the operative word here....and the debate is not necessarily to "force" anything on anyone...it is merely a debate....
I am always curious regarding the human psyche and am never to old to learn something new...well informed people, regardless of their own personal beliefs and/or opinions are brilliant conversationalists...
The way you have written it here (and i am not saying you are wrong...it was simple and direct) but it almost leads one to believe that athiest and agnostic are one and the same....almost
If you believe in nothing...it could be misinterpreted as you choosing not to believe because it is much easier to say one believes in nothing than to defend believing in something....(hope that made sense)
I have my own personal opinion on what "atheism" means (not to be confused with "agnostic")...but i'm interested in your opinion and how you define it...
I would also like to hear from those that consider themselves "Atheists" and why they chose that for themself....
I could never "justify" arguing with someone over how to raise their own children...but if i'm not comfortable with certain behaviours and too afraid to voice my opinion, then it stands to reason that this relationship would not survive.
Also, not sure if "parenting issues" is necessarily something you can really work out in the start of a relationship. I believe at first both parties are willing to "give in" to the other in order not to rock the boat, but only when its applied to "real life" and "real living" can one really say for sure....
And oh yes.... guys ....nice to see you all too!!!
Paws' advice to take care of your current situation at hand first is the most sage....it only complicates things when another is thrown into the mix....
It makes no sense to "sit down and have a discussion" that time has obviously come and passed...you need to just let him know what YOU are going to do...if he had an answer it would have been resolved long before now....he is a grown man and what he chooses to do after the fact is up to him, and not necessarily your responsibility (unless there is children involved)
You may also find that by not living under the same roof (even though separated) allows you to make more conscious choices for yourself...resentment and bitterness, unhappiness and lonliness tends to distort your view sometimes....
Just drove home from Clayt's....ugh morning rush hour
However, I'm sure it was different for him to walk in yesterday and find me "at home"....lol...then i promptly got him to helping me unpack some stuff and sort out stuff....
...at least he can walk around now!!
Had coffee with him this morning, sent him off to work....and here i am packing/cleaning AGAIN!!!
I am moving to Clay's city (Waterloo) in exactly 4 days....
Though Clay may say different since just about everything i own is already at his place and apparently he has no room to walk about now......just wait until i "unpack" the stuff....
You are all so right, i have just been absolutely swamped with this packing thing and moving....
It was my last week at work last week and they decided to really get some work out of me....
Each night has been just more packing and i have made two trips up here so far to drop off some of my things to Clayt's....and of course i was busy trying on all my shoes while he brought my stuff in from the car...geez i've never really seen a practically hairless man sweat in such cold weather.... ....but ladies i want you to know ALL my shoes still fit and look as lovely as the day i bought them!!!
I am here again tonight with Clayt...needed some lovin'
anything to just get me through this last week...but i keep reminding myself only one more week to go and it'll be over...but i'm sure that will be a whole 'nother story to deal with!
Rose i got your phone message, and hopefully you got Clayt's message, i asked him to message you and just let you know i'm still on "this" side (not dead!!)...and want to thank you all, especially Musicalle for noticing that i was not on for a bit and showing such concern for me...you all are such special people...cannot thank you enough for your friendship right now....very difficult time in my life...both excited and afraid all at the same time...
Well i guess i proved to Clayton that i'm really never NOT in the mood...
Never occurred to me before that it may not be the "norm"...apparently i have no problem waking anybody up in the middle of the night from a deep sleep...cuz i'm in the mood!!
I'm sorry to hear that things did not work out....but i admire your courage in going after what you want in life...which is to love and be loved in return...even if it meant "closing the gap" of distance....
As usual...instead of packing i am here reading the forums...actually reading some of the threads on the international sites... I feel very sorry for the ones who's "relationships" have gone astray...who thought they had found "the one"...just to realize they've made a mistake - especially when lots of effort has been put into being with the one...
I worry for myself because i'm on the edge of taking that very same leap...stepping into a new chapter with Clayt and leaving all i know behind to begin this one with him...
However...as difficult as it may have seemed at first, things are moving along much more smoothly than even i could have anticipated, which encourages me....and if possible, every time i am with him, i am more in love with him than the last time....each new thing i learn about him makes me love him even more....
Well this was certainly something nice to wake up to and read for a change...people in love with their lives and with their partners...instead of the "person above them"....
Interesting question Jane (and great term for it!) I've kind of brought this up before, not so well put, but wondering why a person can be "single" for absolutely ages...and as soon as you get involved in a relationship "potentials" start crawling out of the woodwork!!
I have had to double check my own profile to make sure that the picture of Clayt and I is still there, because i am amazed at the amount of men who still message me wanting to "get to know me"..HUH??
I do believe that the men that "poach" have low ambition, they don't want to take the chance with someone, but rather wait until someone else has "tested" the waters and then if they find that person has found a real "gem"...they make their move then...(describing it like that makes it sound so animalistic...lol)
However, as you said not all are "sinister"...and as for meeting "the one" while "the one" is attached to someone else...isn't that what affairs and divorces are all about???
I too was "christened" in the Catholic faith, and my schooling started within that faith... It was not until i was in my pre-teen years that i "researched" other religions...including Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam that i decided that i just wanted to be a Christian and worship in a way that made me comfortable...
We are all born in sin and fall short of the glory of God...including those priests...though they would like us to believe that they are the right hand of God...
Posting a picture definitely helps,....Men especially are more "visually" stimulated more so than what a really well written profile can do for them...lol
And you are right about the "picture" not really being themselves...that has happened alot, and of course will continue to do so...however...that is really defeating the purpose if that person is really on here to "find" someone doesn't it?...I mean eventually one has to meet for a relationship to progress...right??
It is definitely a waste of people's time and effort when "fake" people/pictures run rampant on a site...but its also one of the reasons that participating in a forum is good, you do get the benefit of getting to "know" someone beyond what is written on their profile, and then again there are those on here who have actually met others off this site...and in that case can vouch for those they have met as being "real"...
I believe the bible says "It is better to marry than to burn"...The bible never said these men could not marry...what it refers to is a single man is more likely to devote himself to serving God without the distraction of a "family"...but it was never "not allowed"
So as far as should they be allowed to marry?...my answer is yes...if that is what THEY want...
The "hypocrisy" behind their celibacy is more of a sin than what they preach to others...
What exactly does "Atheist" mean?
I don't disagree with you entirely....however you have to admit it is a change from the "goodnight" threads huh?...There is nothing wrong with having a "civil" discussion on beliefs or disbeliefs...the word "civil" being the operative word here....and the debate is not necessarily to "force" anything on anyone...it is merely a debate....
I am always curious regarding the human psyche and am never to old to learn something new...well informed people, regardless of their own personal beliefs and/or opinions are brilliant conversationalists...