RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

You cant definately making me shut up this way TT! All I do is being on the same side as a man of honor exactly as most americans and for that I really feel proud! And all I do is being a gainst the same as the last 7-8 years of darkness and I want it to change of course Because I am tired of unfairness!

You have never had a system so corrupt and so full of lies as the current system and still you live in 2001......I know what has been going on since then and thats the main differnece between us!

It actually feels fabulous being on the strongest side any way

Look at you! You dont even mention a word a bout Madam D.C Gate TT! Democrats have never acted as if they are true symbols of patritism and morality and pureness as Repubes doing all the time to fool people at least! And Madam D.C Dies all of a sudden right after she made a list! Use your inside knowledge a bout the party and write a Book a bout that TT! that one will really make you Rich I promise you!

Dude, I don't know the Madam DC case enough to speculate on it.
The only things I might say....maybe on list of clients......there might be
some Dems as well. They seem to have some ethnic issues here as well.

If her black book does become public, then we can go from speculation to some hard finger pointing. Me, I will hold the finger.....reminds me alot of Jesus and the adultress....where he asked the croud to cast the first stone only if they were without sin.

Dude I would not "attempt to shut you up". I respect your right to say things because of our American Constitional right to free speach. By the way, our Supreme Court has ruled that foreign parties do not share those rights to the same degree that Americans do. While I might totally disagree with what you say.......and believe me, I often do.......you still have this right, in my opinion. Democracy is not a form of gov't without it messy side and side of non violent combat in the written press and in the spoken word. It is. But what our forefathers attempted to teach us, was that this combat needed to be based in the truth and in honest comment that are dispassioned.American Democracy will survive some messy stuff....always has. So feel free to spin away.

Till Novemeber 4th and January 20th of next year, you and others on the far left are the best show in town. Better than the local movie theatre, where I have to spend $5 buck for the show and $2 bucks for the popcorn.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Anjel, after it was disclose here in the US. that Obama had live there, a news crew was sent to the city where he lived. They sourced where he gone to school, they interviewed the headmaster of the school. I caught thier presentation of the interview on TV.

The Headmaster was Islamic, the sign over the school was in Arabic,
the headmaster remembered Barak attending there. He said the school had a Islamic group in management since day one. The city was predominately Islamic. Now I don't know where your definition of Islamic begins and ends. But somehow I feel I am giving you a honest and accurate discription by using the term "Islamic School".

Finding a 5 minute new cast from months ago, when you don't remember the chanel or the team that did it......not sure I can give more than what you have.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Now who is "fear" mongering?confused

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

As a youth, he lived in Indonesia. Indonesia is the second most Islamic
populated country on Earth. He attended a Islamic school while there for several years.
The school's headmaster, a Islamic confirmed this earlier in the primaries. I'll dig for a school name for you. No promises on it.

Now I don't think that the school was like Pakistani Madras, with a strict Islamic ideology curriculum. It had a more balance curriculum. But it was still run by a Islamic group and still is today a 'Islamic School'.
For sure it was not like Catholic or Public school of the US. Yes, the diet of Islamic Indonesian is different from either western culture diet or Jewish diet. Can we agree there?

Honestly, it was in his early years. So I don't make much issue of it.
Dude was commenting on McCain's Panama days, again early years.
I say really no big deal, both are where they are today.....having taken different paths...in education, in gov't service, in life......but do look to meet head to head this fall in the Presidential election campaign. diet

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Both Hillary and Barak are in WV.....coal capitol of the country.
Neither can talk coal because the environmentalist have them
the boxed in so badly, Yet it the single largest employer in the
state Primary export of the state. And can help make the country
energy indpandant. Yet neighter can approach it to give a
position on it.

When you cannot talk the major industry of a state.....kind of
means you are disassociated from the grass roots of the
people there. You are isolated from its issues and problems.
And are not connecting with the people there.

PS. You guys need to go easier on Hillary. Last week Barak said she
was on his short list for VPs. They beat her up, and then she is
the Dem VP choice of Barak.......shows alot about the Dem party.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

McCain is supported in great numbers on the mil bases Opal. If he did not support better VA and post military benefits for them......think that they would support him as they do?

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Barak just became closer to Hamas. One of his advisors has spoken wth Hamas leaders. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm and he then fired him.

Barak wants to talk without preconidition with various terrorist supporting countries. What do you think he distinction is? His advisor talks with a terror group, but he will talk to their funders and supporters. Maybe he should fire himself?

Guess maybe Barak does not have control of advisors and who they are meeting with. They can you into trouble.....meeting with groups that have killed Americans.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Watch and think it thru,Opal.

Develop our coal indsutry and the fuel and energy from it. And we are free from Middle Eastern Oil. It takes time and political support to such
projects.

McCain has the vision to realize that as the industry is developed, we are in a energy indpendant position to leave Iraq/Saudi/ Dubia/ and the other OPEC countries in the future. Seeing the picture clearer now?

Or do you want to be realiant on middle eastern energy for the next
100 years?

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

We need to get that history book out again. Pre WWII Panama was like a small American city. There were a number of military bases on it.
1000s of Americans were there.

What stupid war? WWII? Korea? VetNam? Gulf War I? GWOT? Iraq War? Or is just ALL American wars are stupid to you?

And like Barak is serious about saving American lives in Iraq. Give me a break, Dude. 1 foreign service committee hearing and 1 trip there in 4 years. Never going to mil base that I have heard of. All we got from
Barak is a nea vote on the war. That was not going to save American lives there.

Several years ....3 year is several years, yes? I think that was 3 years that Obama attended the Islamic school in Indonesia. But then again an American walked by the outside one day and hence is somewhat
American by far left standards.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

You are missing it. This is not really a environmentist issue. This is
a industrailist and capitolist issue. Sure the envrionment is aided.

But it is Dollars, it is jobs, it is low cost energy, it is gov't project funding for major plants, it a energy resource that can be completely
developed with the country.

The far left always takes it to the environment......is not always about the environment. Remember the reason that Hillary and Obama could
not endorse coal programs and plants from the earlier post? It was because the environmentalist were against them.

Let Hillary and Barak talk race and political process and flip flopping on the war and such. McCain is begining to talk issues. Jumbing them
on the economic issues they want to play on him.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Is still our law on Citizenship.......a American couple can have a child anyplace in the world.....child is still an American. Also my bet is
John attended American schools in Panama during those years.
Lived in a US Military base housing, played baseball and had
birthdays with cake with candles and ice cream. Spoke English
as his primary language.

As for Barak......well.......several years in a Islamic school, lived
in a country that is mostly Islamic, he lived as a Islamic likely, eat
food of the locals, likely learn basic langauge of the locals as well.

comfort

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

LOL...McCain just jumbed a issue on them Dude. Coal.....let me say it again to you............. Coal.

McCain wants to build low or no emmission coal plants for energy and for making fuel.

One of those little unknown 'facts' of the US.....it has vast coal resources. West Virgina where the next primary is. Has 55 counties.....
53 of them have Coal in them.

McCain just endorsed a program that can get our country energy indendant... by itself. Add in little gizmos like the water to fuel....this
will happen even sooner.

Don't you just love American ingenuity?

I posted on this earlier.....said it was a issue that the first one that endorsed coal programs......was going to get support. West Virgina
Gov't after hearing McCain's position on coal....just endorsed him
for President.

Just imagine a energy independant America? The freedom the President will have to take actions around the world. To not
have OPEC calling shots on our fuel costs and supply. Talk about
making jobs for America....wow...it spans the economy. Talk about
driving our food costs down. Let the good times roll!

Also this source of energy frees up our agri production for export.
More aid and more for export.

Baby watch that devalued Dollar...the Euro will be chasing it. Forget the BOP, the Chinese will be saying can we have a another contract
for those greenbacks....to your standards and test programs! Chavez will be sitting there say....I have crude for you yankees.....buy my crude.......you know you need my crude.....I have crude for you......
and the price is going.....$120......$100......$80......$60.......unless he is selling to Europe. $120 there.

McCain was quick enough to jumb the issue on the Dems. Guess he is a little more economic savvy than you think.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Yikes Dude.......America has 50 states. 48 in the lower conitent and Hawii and Alaska. What country do you want us to invade to add to make 51?

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

LOL....we are adding Canada? By military occupation? Opps that is more that 5 states......adding a 5 European countries by military conquest? Please don't tell me are invading Denmark.

Now that would be a great Rebublican plot. Add by military occupation
lands and people that are conservative. Add them to the voting roles
and regain the populace vote in the country. I have been reading this thread to long and am to begining to think like that. laugh

RE: has the price of gas changed your lifestyle?

There seems to be a new fuel conversion kit on the marketplace for most gas and diezel cars. Converts water into hydrogen. The hydrogen is then mixed with the fuel to give better mileage.

A relative just installed one on his new 2008 large pick up. Normally gets around 17-18 miles to the gallon. He is expecting 35+ with this. Also has less emmission. he just began to run it with this set up.
So I don't know. Will post again in a few months to confirm info here.

Kit cost less than $300. His has 4 quart containers. Each container is to make some 1800 gallons of what is called Brown Fuel or HHO. So you need fill them once a year or so. This bothers me that such a small source can deliver such a large quantity. But there is a chemical reaction with the system, and with some kinds of chemcial reactions you do get increased quanities.

You need an installer to place it on the vehicle. The carburator (or injector) and electronics of the car need to be altered.

I am still checking it out. Break thru occurred last year with a inventor here in Florida. He has licensed a number of firms to make the kits and
installers to place them on vehicles.

Do you homework prior to decide to buying/installing one. Check the BBB and with parties that have one installed. Also might effect your car's warrantee. I am still doing homework on it. Anyone that has one installed, please do contact me or post here. I have not seen any endorsement from a gov't agency on it.

Web site is:


for a the installer info package

Search sting

"water to fuel"

Will bring up a number of sites of it.

As said this is not an endorsement. Just some public info that is out there presently. It is new, buyer beware at this point.

RE: I got nothing more to say to her..

thumbs up

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

We can make it sweet teas then..no big deal.

Bye the way, Dude....politico.com has a GWB question campaign that is being done. They give you a email box......and you write in a question. On the 13th he is going to answer them. I sent in about 10.....hoping the 1 or 2 might get answered.

Why don't you send in some of your ideas and concerns to him. I am sure he would be interested to hear of your ideas on Iraq or our economic issues.

One suggestion...proof read them....words like warmonger....nucer......etc....might not go well. You might wish to cut them. Because I respect your foreign given right to our freedom of speech....LOL.....I am not going to suggest any wording to you.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Here is another one. Called the Microfueler. Uses a combination of sugar (regular table sugar) and water. Distiles the two and makes
enthanol. Costs about $1 a gallon.

Unit sells for $10k and with GWB gov't....note GWB gov't tax and rebates on it cuts the price to $5K.

This is a small fleet unit. If you are running say 5-15 vehicles.

Here are sites for more information:



and



Dude......GWB has been in office while this was being developed.....his watch......his credit.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Inventor of the system is a Floridan. Good old boys can survive remember? Also was invented unde GWB watch....not sure if he or the kit manufacturers got gov't funding to develop it. HHO has been around for a long time.....US Energy Dept has been developing in other
systems for quiet a time.

Give credit where credit is due. Dude.....your conscience will feel better.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Anyone here want to move thier vehicle with water? Yep straight out of the house tap water.:-)

My relative just placed a new (2007 developed) water to hydrogen conversion kit on new his 2008 truck. Expects his milage to go from 17 miles a gallon to 35+ miles per gallon.

The conversion kit make a gas call Brown gas or HHO. A quarter container can make 1800 gallons of the stuff. My relative had 4 quarter containers on his truck....so 7200 gallon of fuel. Fill them
once or twice a year. The HHO blends into the gas and you run on both fuels. Engine and carburator system needs adjustments.

The conversion kits work for both diesel and gas engines. Any vehicle of 1994 or younger. You need to have a installer do the conversion.
The conversion kit of one firm does not end your warrantee of the vehicle. Cost of the conversion kit and instalation seems to be around $250.

I drive a 6 cylinder SUV, and get about 22 miles to the gallon. With this I should get 40+. Also emmissions are less. Hydrogen is less polluting that gas or diezel.

Some problems. Hydrogen is a explosive gas. Remember the Hindenberg? Same stuff. Also the designs of vehicle for the conversion kit placement seems hard to figure. He had his tanks in the front of the radiator. Not my choice of locations. But he said you can mount them anywhere on the vehicle.

Here is a site. Check it out. Seems to be the real deal for lowering fuel costs.Suggest prior to buying, check the installer's users on mileage and BBB to see if complaints are being filed against the conversion kit maker. Also check your warrantee with auto maker.

Site is:


Do a search under
water to fuel and the balance of sites will come up.

I will post again on my relative's experiences with this in a couple of months.

RE: Hypothetically.....President Obama

And if the tiny island had nuclear weapon capablities? E.G. like North Korea..........then people would take great interest of who is in power.

The US is always going to be a 500 pound white back gorrila without opposing thumbs in the world at times. We are going to thump our chest, bellow, jump up and down, get in your face on occassion.....
specially when it comes to our National Security. Most of the time
we will do under total control and for specific purposes and goals to achieve. Occassionally like Abu Grail we will not.

The world wants us to be a dairy cow standing in a field someplace waiting to be milked in the barn. Peaceful, non threatening, green friendly,aid giving, and humanitiarn.

When you show me a Russia or China that is also going to stand in the barn and also get milked, then we can talk about that different direction for the US. Anyone here seeing that in Russia or China?
Russia just rolled tanks and tactical missiles in her May Day Prarade, the first time since the break up. China has been expanding her miltiary and recently deep water a new submarine pen has been satellite imaged in a China island.

Show me that transformation in Russia and China as well....maybe a few other countries as well. When you show me a world without AlQeada and other terrorist groups. When you show me a middle east that really is in a state of peace. Then the US will make the conversion of 500 pound gorilla to dairy cow for you.

Only 4% of our GNP goes to military spending. Only 4.5 m of our countries 300 m are active military. We have met all the force reduction
agreements to our nuclear abilities from the Salt Agreements. Our industry in civilian commercial goods manufacture mode vs military
production. The systems that we do build now are often for defensive abilities....like the interceptor missile system. We have largely funded
Russia's de nuclear programs.

So seems to me that we are making some transitions to being a dairy cow for the world. Maybe you need to talk to Russia and China about similar transitions.

RE: On America's Oil Shortage...

Great laugh To Start Sunday On!

Maybe we should have UPS ship the dipsticks to the oil field where they take the measurements?

PS According to his OReilly interview McCain is against drilling Anwar

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Night all....it has been fun......still think that doing 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' would be more fun.:-)

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Civil rights are for every person living.....unless....thier activities become a threat or endangerment to others. Many countries civil rights are abused by the gov't. I have asked Opal several times, if such has happened to her. Still waiting for a reply of a specific case.
Just did again, yes?

When Sadam fell in Iraq. Did Iraqi gain new civil rights? Today they have a constitution, have a gov't elected, have a court system, have
rights to media to express thier right of speech and press.

Want to know when civil rights end? When you are connected to a terror group. When you are connected to a drug operation. When you
are connected to a group that is trying to overthrow a legal gov't.
By connected I mean most often a legal court decision.

But in a conflict like Iraq. There is no sitting judge there during a fire fight. Your civil right end, when you pick up a rpg, ak-47 and point it in my direction or the direction of my people.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Gov't came into your house and arrested you, Opal? You been arrested Opal? They drag you from your home without a search warrant and whip you in the street?

Something I figured out the other day why the far left hates the NSA
wire taps so badly. Want to hear it? Hear it is. The NSA wire tap is a
mass data download software tap. I know......someday ask me how I know.:-)

Anyways, yes they can get your entire phone calls from this tap. All the numbers you call and call you. Now if you are not calling someone
that is one the terrorist watch list.....the comparison list of phone number that this mass data download is compared to.....you have nothing to be concerned with. Absolutely nothing. But call a number on the terrorist watch list, the analysis will show your number and they can being a real wire tap on you. Got the idea? Pretty slick yes? It took a while to figure it out.:-)

Here is why the far left hate the NSA wire taps. Because if the DEA was using that same technique in connecting drug deal calls. There would be a lot of far lefts facing drug charges from the wire taps.

Te Feds are likely to have a new anti drug tool in town to be concenred with. I am surprised the Fed have not begun to use it for this purpose. They have had since 2001.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Opal believes that there were 8000 American Prisoner of war during Vet Nam. That they were moved out of VEt Nam and ended up in
China and elsewhere.

Opal darling......you have your wars confused. American prisoners were moved during Korea out of North Korea to China and Russia.
If I remember the number right......it was 605 American Prisoner
released from Hanoi Hilton....at the end of the war.

Gee guess we need to send Chuch Norris back in there and find the missing 8000. Keep watching the movies, Opal. The story lines are better.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Just finished my pizza and about to finish my soda. How you doing Roger Rabbit? Like the idea of our Special Ops being given a free hand in chasing the bad guys? That is a really in our world today. It is a reality that Obama is clueless on. He has lived a protected life. Sheltered from such realities.

They are going to hunt down bad guys in every country we can compromise them in. Like the idea? I do. I have no problem with it.
I did not write the policy/proposal, but God I wish I did. I worked on
a different project/proposal area but connected to this one. Connect the two......and the bad guys are not going to be smiling.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

I hate to tell you this. I am sitting here snacking on some pizza and having a soda.

McCain was OReilly the other day , in the interveiw? OReilly raise a few of your earlier issues with him......know what McCain did? He laughed.
Truth is it own defense.

So wow....I must be angry and fearful? Kind of reminds me of how Obama, just knew they were bitter. Elitist always know what the other guys is feeling. They always know better than the person they are talking to. LOL<-----that is laugh also. Truth works for me as well.

By the way...tell Dude.....when you get a chance.....that McCain is going to release his medical records sometime next week. This according to what he said on OReilly.

I am going to Church tomorrow.....Mother's Day......want a prayer?
I will say one for you.:-) Honest.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

No political power or position? The Lady who is going to give the introduction speech for Obama at the coming DNC? Opal you sell yourself short. We all know you are a researcher for Obama....
and inner circle person....if anyone knows how to smear a person
it would be you.

Of course whether Obama approves it....well that is a different matter.
Senators tend to respect thier collagues. That way they can work across the aisle with them. Calling them nasty names and cowards on
floor of the Senate likely does not get you very far in that.

But since it is election time.....and it is the net.....a staffer can say just about anything that she wants to dream up. Opel we know you have all the 'truth'. A complete set of unbridge smear dictionaries and full set of 26 book enclyopedia of the stuff. All back up by the Kos an Huffington Post online services.

Want to give McCain a criminal record....go to Kos with a email.....say 'anyone hear if McCain has a criminal record?' With 10 minutes you can them to say anything for you. Now simply say there is my research.....McCain has a criminal record.

What junk.

RE: Obama for Presidnet!.....Heptachromic

Actually you and rest of McCain supporters thinking life is a Cartoon


LOL......I can see this is going to be the fall Presidential Campaign of
version movie of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" here on CS

....for characters:

....we have Dude......being played by Roger Rabbit.
....we have Opal being played.........by Jessica Rabbit
...we have Indy being played by......Eddie Valiant
...we have the Serenity being played by....Snow White!!
...we have Sparkie55 being played by.....Chilly Willy
....we have TTom500...........being played be Hillybilly Brothers
....we have Barak Obama....being played by Baby Herman
....We have Conrad be played by.......Foghorn Leghorn
....we have John McCain.....being played by Judge Doom
....we have the Clintons...being played by the Weasels
.....we have Solitare....being played by Marc Anthony

Everyone like thier characters? If not tell me now....we can change them. It is toon town, remember?

Everyone remember the basic storyline of Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Well Roger and Jessica Rabbit are in fear for toontown that it will be lost to a villian (Judge Doom aka John McCain). Roger has been framed for a crime he did not commit. That all the toon characters will be lost. So they are seeking help. Eddie Valiant (Indy) is the honest PI that is trying to help Roger and Jessica. But he hates doing it. He cannot stand toons.....basically because they are crazy. Will say and do just about anything.

Now Judge Doom is aided by the weasles......Hillary and Bill Clinton.
They are his servants and trying to bring toontown down into the dust.
They are trying to keep Roger from winning the day and saving toontown and the toon way of life.

Now the rest of us all have supporting roles....study your lines and be ready.......to chip in with our comments to our own version of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

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